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    Cool Newbie doing Kino for a few weeks...

    Hello everybody! Happy to be here.

    I realized a month or two ago that one of the reasons things never reached to a relationship level is the absence of touch which is totally my fault. By nature i'm not a touchy person and always had the thought that touching should be done from relationship onwards but reality check and realized that touch should be done long before relationship status. I began to fix this problem by starting off with Kino Escalation.

    For the past month i have been kinoing a girl that i have classes with in University. I will pat her on the shoulder or back, while conversing i'll touch her briefly on her hand, while making jokes i'll pat her on the back (between her shoulder blades once in a while) or on her leg if we are sitting down. So far she has responded positively by poking me once in a while, doing brief touches, some are "accidental", leaning on me (mostly her arms) and twice she rested her head on my left shoulder for comfort.

    Earlier in class today, we spoke for some time then she left for a meeting. She came back 45 mins later and she called me by the door. When i came up to her, i rested my hand on her shoulder and said "what's up?" We began to converse as normal, but at the start of the conversation, she looked at my arm as if she was reading it and then she locked eyes with me and continued conversation. I was slightly uncomfortable with that "eye-read" but kept my composure. We went movies after and had a great time. What was that "eye-read" all about? is it a sign to calm down on the Kino a bit? or am i over-thinking something which is really nothing as i am new to this?

    It's lengthy but i appreciate members reading this and giving a response. Thank you!

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    Default Re: Newbie doing Kino for a few weeks...

    Quote Originally Posted by DarrenA View Post
    Hello everybody! Happy to be here.

    I realized a month or two ago that one of the reasons things never reached to a relationship level is the absence of touch which is totally my fault. By nature i'm not a touchy person and always had the thought that touching should be done from relationship onwards but reality check and realized that touch should be done long before relationship status. I began to fix this problem by starting off with Kino Escalation.

    For the past month i have been kinoing a girl that i have classes with in University. I will pat her on the shoulder or back, while conversing i'll touch her briefly on her hand, while making jokes i'll pat her on the back (between her shoulder blades once in a while) or on her leg if we are sitting down. So far she has responded positively by poking me once in a while, doing brief touches, some are "accidental", leaning on me (mostly her arms) and twice she rested her head on my left shoulder for comfort.

    Earlier in class today, we spoke for some time then she left for a meeting. She came back 45 mins later and she called me by the door. When i came up to her, i rested my hand on her shoulder and said "what's up?" We began to converse as normal, but at the start of the conversation, she looked at my arm as if she was reading it and then she locked eyes with me and continued conversation. I was slightly uncomfortable with that "eye-read" but kept my composure. We went movies after and had a great time. What was that "eye-read" all about? is it a sign to calm down on the Kino a bit? or am i over-thinking something which is really nothing as i am new to this?

    It's lengthy but i appreciate members reading this and giving a response. Thank you!
    to help you out a little bit:

    The importance of Kino Escalation cannot be understated

    Kino is fantastic stuff. The "eye read" was in all probability an ioi. There is nothing threatening about a touch to the shoulder. Continue to escalate kino and don't be afraid to do it rapidly.

    When it comes to Kino, No reaction is a positive reaction. You'll know if you make her feel uncomfortable. She will tense up and pull away. If she does, simply back off a little and work some attraction material.

    Otherwise, don't be afraid to escalate rapidly. As in, rather than escalating over several days or weeks. Escalate within hours. She's probably wondering why, when you guys are at the point of laying heads on shoulders, you aren't escalating your kino beyond that. Push the boundaries friend.

    When you were at the movies, you should've been running your fingers through her hair and rubbing the back of her neck. You would've, in all likelihood, advanced far beyond what you believe possible. She's ready for the lay man.. all you have to do is get her into private, escalate the kino and get some. Just don't verbalize anything other than physical attraction to her.

    Do it quickly, or you might find yourself within the friends zone.

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    Default Re: Newbie doing Kino for a few weeks...

    Hello SiliconMagician,

    Thank you for the quick response! and thank you for the link, great stuff i'm reading so far!

    oh yes i am preparing to escalate the Kino in private with the back of her neck and small of her back as my first set of targets. The movie wasn't a good place to escalate as we were seeing "The Avengers" and the cinema was packed with people so no privacy at all, plus she was into the movie. We had great convo before and after the movie.

    About the shoulder part, the first time she did it, it was brief like 5 seconds. It was as if when she rested her head on me, she was like "what am i doing? *pulls away* The second time was 15 seconds. Both cases she was tired from work and we had evening classes. I played it cool but i know if she does it the 3rd time, i'll put my hand around her.

    i don't think she is ready for the lay so early because she have a strong religious background thing going on but so far so good. The lay is on track but need more tips to escalate especially in a classroom and mall setting. I also recognize that i have to up my convo skills as i quickly run out of topics.

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    Default Re: Newbie doing Kino for a few weeks...

    It sounds like you're already in the friend zone. If not then you are dangerously close. And if you're facing each other and you just plop your hand on her shoulder to say what's up it seems a bit unnatural. And she might've thought it strange then let it go, not giving it a second thought. I highly recommend challenging and qualifying because of the danger of the friend zone you're in. Good luck.

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    Default Re: Newbie doing Kino for a few weeks...

    Hey Darren

    it sounds to me like some of your touches aren't coming across exactly how you'd want. It is definitely important to do Kino: but you've got to keep it natural.

    I wrote a blog on this recently and came up with these five rules that I think are pretty useful for knowing what are the right kind of touches to use when:

    1. Establish touch IMMEDIATELY Ė to show youíre comfortable being around her.
    2. Donít over touch Ė keep your touches light and brief.
    3. Touch her special zones- these are her extremities where sheíll feel comfortable being touched.
    4. Setting intentions Ė donít land in the friend zone know what you want
    5. Donít be afraid to touch Ė keep out of your head and know that itís ok to touch a woman in the right way

    I hope you find that useful

    Marni

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrenA View Post
    Hello everybody! Happy to be here.

    I realized a month or two ago that one of the reasons things never reached to a relationship level is the absence of touch which is totally my fault. By nature i'm not a touchy person and always had the thought that touching should be done from relationship onwards but reality check and realized that touch should be done long before relationship status. I began to fix this problem by starting off with Kino Escalation.

    For the past month i have been kinoing a girl that i have classes with in University. I will pat her on the shoulder or back, while conversing i'll touch her briefly on her hand, while making jokes i'll pat her on the back (between her shoulder blades once in a while) or on her leg if we are sitting down. So far she has responded positively by poking me once in a while, doing brief touches, some are "accidental", leaning on me (mostly her arms) and twice she rested her head on my left shoulder for comfort.

    Earlier in class today, we spoke for some time then she left for a meeting. She came back 45 mins later and she called me by the door. When i came up to her, i rested my hand on her shoulder and said "what's up?" We began to converse as normal, but at the start of the conversation, she looked at my arm as if she was reading it and then she locked eyes with me and continued conversation. I was slightly uncomfortable with that "eye-read" but kept my composure. We went movies after and had a great time. What was that "eye-read" all about? is it a sign to calm down on the kino a bit? or am i over-thinking something which is really nothing as i am new to this?

    It's lengthy but i appreciate members reading this and giving a response. Thank you!

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    Default Re: Newbie doing Kino for a few weeks...

    Quote Originally Posted by BatMan View Post
    It sounds like you're already in the friend zone. If not then you are dangerously close. And if you're facing each other and you just plop your hand on her shoulder to say what's up it seems a bit unnatural. And she might've thought it strange then let it go, not giving it a second thought. I highly recommend challenging and qualifying because of the danger of the friend zone you're in. Good luck.
    Hello Batman,

    Thank you for your input. I don't think i am in the friendzone yet but i agree with you that i am dangerously close. I realized that 2-3 weeks ago so i countered part of the problem by backing off for nearly 2 weeks. We had school holidays so i decided to be busy and by doing so, didn't text or call during that time.

    We met last sunday in the mall tho but it was a group thing but i noticed she stuck up to me a lot while walking. Our group had ice cream and pizza together and she was next to me. While sitting down, there would be times we would establish some Kino. Our elbows and shoulders meeting from time to time about 7-10 seconds. A good example is that one of our friends wanted a picture of us. She placed the palm of her hand under her chin with her elbow on the table and she leaned towards me. My hands were out on the table loosely clasped and i leaned towards her. The thing is, the angle of her forearm. Instead of her forearm being the normal 0-10 degrees, it was kicked out 45 degrees with her elbow touching mine, and it stayed there for a full 10 seconds. If it was an "accidental" touch, she would stop touching me within a second. Another incident was while she was getting up to go to the washroom, her breasts gently passed across my shoulder (deltoid).

    I will take your advise on challenging and qualifying.

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    Default Re: Newbie doing Kino for a few weeks...

    Quote Originally Posted by Marni1 View Post
    Hey Darren

    it sounds to me like some of your touches aren't coming across exactly how you'd want. It is definitely important to do Kino: but you've got to keep it natural.

    I wrote a blog on this recently and came up with these five rules that I think are pretty useful for knowing what are the right kind of touches to use when:

    1. Establish touch IMMEDIATELY – to show you’re comfortable being around her.
    2. Don’t over touch – keep your touches light and brief.
    3. Touch her special zones- these are her extremities where she’ll feel comfortable being touched.
    4. Setting intentions – don’t land in the friend zone know what you want
    5. Don’t be afraid to touch – keep out of your head and know that it’s ok to touch a woman in the right way

    I hope you find that useful

    Marni

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    Hello Marni,

    I'm going to check out your blog and thank you for the tips. I think my kino is coming off both natural and un-natural at times so i have some work to do. I think the eye-read that she did, that i mentioned at the start of this post, put me in a doubt. I wouldn't be surprised if she was testing me to see if that "bold" move was natural or not and did the eye read to see how i would react ( get weak, flinch, oops i did something wrong, go all beta). I did keep my composure and chatted with her normal so i guess i did pass the test. I will do another bold move (yet not disrespectful) soon to see how she reacts.


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