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    Default What the heck is wrong with me and clubs?

    Good afternoon gentlemen,

    If you've ever read any of my comments on the forum I always try to help guys with day game issues because I find day gaming to be both fun and simple. However now I require aid from all of you club game aficionados because I (for lack of a better word) suck. I've been sarging with a group of guys in town and it has been awesome getting out, but I have nothing to show for it. Whether it's the loud music, flashing lights, Bitch Shield at full power, or the fact that I hate yelling to communicate I just can't get success. I can barely approach let alone carry a conversation beyond the worst of the worst small talk. During day game I have been using direct openers much in the style of David X or Alan Roger Currie and it works like a charm. Can this apply to nightclub game effectively? Do you guys have any tips for me to get over my Approach Anxiety in these environments? Looking forward to responses.

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    Default Re: What the heck is wrong with me and clubs?

    badboy uses similar approaches in night clubs and they work according to him. He says you can walk up from behind, put your hand on her shoulder, turn her around (so be in control) and say like 'baby. I think you're so sexy' and just work your usual magic from there on in.

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    Default Re: What the heck is wrong with me and clubs?

    Clubs are also not in my best forte per say. Obviously, I can't stand even B!tch Shield going full throttle into my face. At one time, little did I know those HBs were straight until I try to pick them up. Due to my nature as a bi female, they blew me off. That is one of the reasons for me not to go to clubs in the past.

    edited: "Sorry to my fellow AFCs who are female."

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    Default Re: What the heck is wrong with me and clubs?

    To Virgil: Thanks for the advice. I'm going to go look up badboy's stuff.

    To Xen: I've had a lot of bad experiences in clubs/bars since I've started going. I used to try solo gaming in the club which led to blow out after blow out. That may have taken a toll on my confidence in such environments. Not to mention the other distractions that I mentioned especially in regards to yelling. I like to have smooth flowing conversations which can't be done when one of us has to yell "What?" every few seconds.

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    Default Re: What the heck is wrong with me and clubs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    I like to have smooth flowing conversations which can't be done when one of us has to yell "What?" every few seconds.
    You have to just ignore conversations and have a good time working on the other senses like movement and touch. Think of a grope to the waist as being like 20min conversation, tracing your hands down her back like 1/2 hour conversation.

    The best times Ive had at clubs have all been when Ive been with a fairly large group of friends. It doesn't matter who they are even, they could be strangers you met earlier in the night or 60 of your nerd colleagues after a christmas party. That is not always easy to do so another wildcard option is you sacrifice the 'nice guy lamb' in you to a group of other females. They become your wingwomen and base station group. Go up to a group of girls and get them to look after you from an empathy perspective 'Im new in town and don't know anyone, my girlfriend just broke off with me so Im in need of some company... could I join you guys? blah blah blah' De-threaten yourself with that group so they 'nurture' you in and then to you are able to bounce off onto another group where you change tactic back into the crawling king snake. Other girls in the club glancing over will just assume you are their friends.

    Completely use the phone to your advantage. Take pics with girls, get them in close to your face checking out the screen. Other girls will see you guys taking pics and thinking it must be such a good time it deserves a photo. Dont yell at them, snuggle your mouth into their ear, peel away their hair, your so close your practically kissing her neck. Kiss her neck. Oops. Hmm she didnt resist let me do that some more. Girls lean in all the time at clubs. Awesome, who cares what you say 'blah blah lamboghini wha? wha? blah blah' Your arm can only go one place: their arms, back and waist. Clubs are not full of problems but opportunities. And dont worry about how good a dancer you are. Most women suck at dancing, but they give it a go and if you always get close enough to them they will probably not even notice how your dancing...they will only see your chest and eyes.

    Also make it a habit of trying to talk to as many girls as possible and you don't have to close with them all straight away. Ask a girl to dance then move on, have a chat at the bar, move on. Say hi to girls as if you know them (or even better act like you own the farking club) and keep walking. Throw enough boomerangs out there and quite a few will circle back. Girls are always engineering the situation. Before a girl even goes out to a club she may have already decided that night she is open to a sexual adventure. Some girls will be riper than others. They are the girls you want to be spending your time on. So it's a numbers game - you have to seek out and ensure you are seen by those girls. Be acutely observant of who flashes you a look, who walks by you, who is behaving in what way in their group dynamic. Girls signals are often hard to read at first but clear as day when you look back on a night so seize every opportunity you can. Look at what they are wearing, have they shaved their legs? How are they behaving? What kind of skirt is she wearing? What kind of perfume? Sexy or homely and soapy? Here's the thing about clubs: women often do the choosing and chasing but its far more subtle than how men do it. Get out and work the whole club and be observant as all hell to what girls are doing and signals they send. Women dont go to a club to talk and neither should men.

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    Default Re: What the heck is wrong with me and clubs?

    Thanks whitedragon for the detailed response. I actually quite like the empathy approach so maybe I'll use that one this weekend. The quick speed of club game is what I need to get used to it seems. Dancing has always been a nervous issue, but hell you're right that barely anyone can dance anyway. Thanks again for the advice.

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    Default Re: What the heck is wrong with me and clubs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    Thanks whitedragon for the detailed response. I actually quite like the empathy approach so maybe I'll use that one this weekend. The quick speed of club game is what I need to get used to it seems. Dancing has always been a nervous issue, but hell you're right that barely anyone can dance anyway. Thanks again for the advice.
    It's really interesting watching girls dance - most of them just sway about a bit. But they get on the dancefloor and give it a go. Same with dating profiles - most women write the exact same garbage because in the end it doesnt matter we are choosing mostly looks, not whether they can dance or not. It's much harder for guys so the key is to try dance close so a) they don't see you stumble on your feet and b) they don't start vaguing off looking around elsewhere.

    Body language is key. Time constraints are good, get your wing to try pull you off the dancefloor saying there's a girl who wants to meet you or he needs some advice (from you, the alpha). I actually dislike working girls on the dancefloor so I usually dance with anybody just for the sake of it and so I don't look like I'm alone and then go after my different target when she's in a chill out area or going to the bar etc. Girls often use guys at clubs with no mercy and we should learn from them. The empathy thing is just to get to know some friends. You don't want to be friendzoned with your target group but there's no reason why you can't purposely friendzone yourself with other non target 'civilians'. You might even get with one of them because your not trying to pick them up. Reverse psychology. Camouflage. Pawns to start moving you up the board before your knight can start attacking the queen


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