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Thread: Finding a pivot on Craigslist

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    Default Finding a pivot on Craigslist

    I had an idea to recruit ladies for Wing-woman tactics one night.

    Craigslist post:
    Seeking wing-woman for fun social experiments

    Seeking a platonic friend to try confidence-building social experiments in the singles scene.
    Build or practice your improv skills while laughing with the boys.
    We might learn something from you too.
    Who knows?

    All I ask is that you bring positivity, spontaneity & be open to the male perspective.

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    4 responses in a few hours & the post was buried fast.
    My 1st email: (Classy picture of myself attached)

    Hi,

    Send a picture & a little about yourself. I'm a 33yr old guy
    who used to be frustrated with dating. My wingman, 29, was also in a
    rut but we are trying all kinds of fun social games & changing our
    luck. Recently, I had the idea to include attractive platonic girl
    friends too. (the type that turn heads in a bar). It should be fun.

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    2 responses so far. I selected an HB9.
    My 2nd email:

    Alright, I'll lay out some basic ideas for you. I'll elaborate on areas you're curious about. I used to be a skeptic but now truly believe we can all improve the quality of opposite sex friends or romantic matches in life. Online dating does not work for me for many reasons but mostly it feels like a romantic cop-out.

    The Objective: Understanding social dynamics & learning how to better yourself by enhancing interactions with strangers.

    Our collective goals should be:
    1) Encourage each other when doing well
    2) Challenge each other when we're not feeling it
    3) Stick-up for each other around jerks
    4) Debrief after nights of experiments
    5) Have fun & make friends

    Wing-woman goals;
    - Turn heads when you enter a room
    - Occupy obstacles
    - Subtle/disguised introductions
    - Subtle demonstrations of value (not match making)

    Guys Goals:
    - give you priority over groups/strangers
    - wing you away from D-bags when needed

    We have some specific, fun experiments to keep ourselves sharp & I will share them with you when we meet. None of this involves manipulating people. Everyone we come in contact with should have a positive experience!

    On my way out for the night,
    (name & phone number)
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    She texted me 5mins later & within an hour we were out for drinks with my wing. She's a smart, jaded fashion model that wants push-pull but only gets positive IOIs from AFCs. She asked about our intentions with women & I honestly told her, "I'm not trying to sleep with more women. I want to attract more interesting women into my life so I can eventually choose one for a relationship." She's really into helping via social-proof & preselection but she had prior knowledge & a negative reaction to Negs (of course). I'm not planning to tell her we practice Game but I'm sure she will figure it out. She even referenced a PUA forum negatively. One buddy says, "Hey, she responded to the ad. Either she's all in or she's out."

    Any advice is appreciated. How do you react if a woman asks directly about PUA tactics?

    PS Props to my wing, Fastidious, for getting his 1st sly Number Close. You were on fire, man!

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    Default Re: Finding a pivot on Craigslist

    1st night sarging with new Pivot / Wingwoman. She is jaded but awesome! She's down for any tactics & comes up with ideas to help. We spent most of the night talking about social experiments & trolling 2 bars. Once she knows I have a target, she puts on her game face brainstorms for openers. I subtly caught her up on a TON of material. She had a very bad relationship with a PUA practicing Dark Game years ago, so she is very judgmental about the culture but has not read books.

    MUST REMEMBER
    -Do NOT talk to her positively about Game or the forums.
    -Introduce PUA tactics like "I want to try..." or "One idea could be..."
    -Tell her about successful sarges/experiments.
    -Ask her for advice & opinion about tactics.

    When I suggested wingwoman routines she became very excited. She came up with a scenario where she busts into a set after I've started kinoing my target:

    PIVOT: Hey, I didn't expect to see you here tonight.
    ME: Oh hi, Pivot, this is, Target.
    PIVOT: Nice to meet you, Target. (to me) I saw on your Facebook you were going to be at Other Place.
    (I turn toward Pivot while placing my hand on my target & leave it there to keep Target involved in the conversation.)
    ME: Yeah, I love that place... but tonight it was too pretentious.
    PIVOT: Ok, well did you hear about Friend's after party tonight? Are you going?
    ME: I don't know where I'm going yet.
    PIVOT: You should come. I hope to see you there. Bye.

    Goal: Establish interest from a girl (pivot) who checks your facebook, invites you to another party & hopes to see you. The Target's hamster will work overtime to figure out if these DHVs are IOIs.

    Be the prize.

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    Default Re: Finding a pivot on Craigslist

    This girl is awesome. You can find everything on CL! Haha. We have gone out 5 times and she's now bringing her girl friends into the scenario, introducing me to Hired Guns, suggesting venues & potential targets! All lot of targets. She figured out my type in seconds: "Oh, you like natural girls."

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    Fastidious & Wingwoman message:

    I've had fun going out with you both last week to get acquainted with a wingwoman! I have some fun ideas that could help us & I'd love to hear yours too.

    Targets:
    Wingwoman, thank you for actively picking out my types. It's amazing! You & Fastidious should learn each others types too. As we get to know each other, my aim is to just be having fun as we experiment & try ideas. If I'm too focused on specific girls & approaches, my confidence drops. So, once a target is acquired, we should shift focus to something else (unless we ask for approach advice). Let's just have fun!

    Selection:
    If Wingwoman is unsure which woman is our target, she can look for physical contact. After approaching a group, Fastidious or I can indicate interest in one girl by subtly touching her shoulder, arm or back. If Wingwoman thinks the girl is right for the guy, she can pass by and stop to chat/hug for a minute. Wingwoman can ratchet up the Target's interest in the guy by physical contact too. For example: leaving her hand on my shoulder as she talks for a quick minute. It's not territorial but slightly flirty. This should spike the interest of my target girl, right Wingwoman?

    Dancing
    Wingwoman, if women notice men just for their moves, I want to learn to dance. I'm self conscious but we should practice (as silly as that sounds). Hey this is all weird fun.

    You guys rock. This is the most interesting night activity I've done in a long time. My roomie is interested in being a wingwoman sometime too!

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    Default Re: Finding a pivot on Craigslist

    You are living the dream my friend, such an awesome idea.

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    Default Re: Finding a pivot on Craigslist

    The 6th time we hung out I had her come over & give me the honest (jaded) woman's perspective of my bedroom. Try it sometime with a platonic friend. Good insight.

    Unfortunately, she's been harder to have around lately. She's more critical of ideas, doesn't dress up & has a bad attitude. Being out with her has become a dlv. A Pivot needs to turn heads. A wingwoman needs to be friendly & social. She also has this idea that I'm trying to jump into a relationship. Saying weird things like, "We need to get you a girlfriend."

    A few nights ago I sat her down & discussed all these things seriously. She was defensive but eventually listened. For now I'm giving her space to think.


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