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    Cool How To Sarge a Night Club

    Note: Most of the routines you will find in this post are taken from Mystery's work. Since his show The Pickup Artist aired, a lot of these are now well-known and will get you called out if you try to use them word-for-word. Please mold/fit/tweak to fit your own style.

    Sarging, for anyone who doesn't know, is the word used for going out into the real world to specifically pick-up women (or at least attempt to). Many people have different interpretations of what sarging means to them - some believe that sarging is primarily based on a sexual outcome, going out in a bid to get laid that night, some believe that it is focused on separating the wheat from the chaff in order to find the partner that suits you, while still others believe in using it as a tool to simply overcome their approach shyness, to become a world class PUA, to make money from it. Whatever your interpretation of it is, it is integral to your game, and your evolution in the seduction community - if you want to get better with women, your going to have to sarge at some point, and yes - that means going into the real world and approaching REAL girls!

    This guide will take into consideration the following:-

    o Your style, whether it be Direct or Indirect (ie Natural or Canned)
    o Your current level
    o Obviously you will be over the age to sarge in clubs
    o Positives and Negatives of clubs
    o Do's and Don't Do's
    o More...

    Ok, firstly - before entering any clubs with the intention of sarging, you must be in the correct frame of mind. Going out with the Mindset of 'Oooh, I'm not too sure I can do this, what if I get rejected, what if I get scared and stall out?' is unacceptable. If you BELIEVE you can't do it, then you won't - its time to break free of the cozy little comfort zones and start becoming a man by taking what you want, when you want it!

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    When you lack flow, you CLING to this dream... "Im not ready for this yet.. My confidence is too low. I must wait and later this will be easy." But its just a dream. Flow doesnt come from a thing inside you. Inner game/confidence doesnt exist. Flow comes from actions alone.

    ACTIONS!! ACTIONS!! That is the only way you can learn, that is the only way you can evolve, you cannot progress by sitting in your bedroom wanking over porn, you cannot get the girl(s) you want by constantly reading these forums and NOT putting the things you learn into ACTION!! In the real world is where you learn and progress.

    Ok, so you're in the club, you spot the most amazing female you've ever seen - What do you do?

    A - Approach without thought
    B - Analyse the surroundings for 5 minutes and then approach
    C - Sit back and play it cool with your drink
    D - Walk away

    If you didnt say A, then slap yourself now! Hesitation is masturbation. What's the worst that could happen - that harmless girl tells you to get lost? Oh my! What on earth are you to do??? Oh yeah, turn around and approach someone who is actually worth your time!!!

    But you can't, because you're too scared to approach - WAKE THE F**K UP!!!

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    Next time you feel insecure, you will remember what I told you: -you lack nothing inside you. You are FINE. -all you lack is a little FLOW and this is perfectly normal and OK. -flow comes from actions alone.

    Now that your eyes are open.. you will find many GREAT NEW WAYS of building flow.. You fill find your own unique ways that work especially well for you. You will not have to analyze or study. You will simply start noticing how certain actions create flow in your life, and you will know how to use them at times when you need more flow.

    I call this STACKING - do a tiny thing to build some flow, and then do the big/hard thing at once afterwards, or schedule many things after one another, preferably starting with the smallest/easiest.

    Ever get nervous before a big test or before taking an interview - you know how you think about blowing that test/person away and get really pumped - do the same here!!! Fire yourself up!!!

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    E.g. if I stall out in a pub and suddenly feel insecure about approaching, I do a tiny dance or even jump around a bit, and then approach immediately.

    Approach Anxiety is normal. It's hardwired into our genes since birth, it goes back to the caveman days when getting rejected by a female could result in humiliation and expulsion from your tribe - but this ain't the Stone Age, your friends aren't going to stone you or throw you out their circle. They might rib you a little, but you'll survive. It's about time the Gene Pool got a little Chlorine in it, don't you think?

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    What we do is joke around, so that we're just having fun and nothing is taken too seriously. We also appear to be having more fun on our own, which comes across unneedy, rather than staring at the room in awe. Here are a few things we do.

    These aren't things we consciously do, but just jokes that I see happening all the time when we're out.

    - "The precious LIKES it.. it LIKES it.... It WANTS it.. the precious WANTS it.." (Golemn imitation from The Lord of the Rings, referring to our ****s wanting the girls and being in control of us - but you guys already knew that, didn't you?)

    - Singing: "Who's that giiiiirl?.... she's a SPECIAL girl... she's a DIFFERENT KIND OF GIRL... she's a SNOOOWFLAAAAKE... I wanna MEET her.. she's SPECIAL... (whispering) She's the ONE." (done to Backstreet Boys singing style).

    -Joking that we already got laid. Twentysix will come back from the bathroom and say **** like "I just fclosed that girl while you guys were gone. I got 8 numbers."

    -Joking around that we're girls. If the Outkast "Hey Ya" song comes on, we'll start screaming and yelling "MUST DANCE!!!"

    -Walking up to old sets that we don't really want and pretending like we're shooting guns at them as we reapproach so they're laughing, and then grabbing them and cavemanning them over our shoulders and walking into the next set with them screaming (in a good way, I swear).

    The point that I'm trying to make is that we go out to have fun, and we joke around with eachother the entire time. Those are just examples of jokes that I remember we've done at times. I see guys going out and having approach anxiety, and I think that its because they're caring too much what other people think of them and not going out to have fun with their friends. If your skillset is developed, then success will happen on autopilot, so I think the best thing to do is just go out and have fun and allow it to happen, rather than focusing on it. If you focus on doing well, then it just obstructs it. If you go out and have fun, then whatever is there just naturally comes out.

    This is a very important thing, because the girls pick up on the vibe that you are having fun on your own, and they will say things when you approach like "You are the coolest guys in here. We've been hoping you guys would talk to us all night." I get that in set all the time, but only on nights when I'm having fun independently of the validation that I'm getting from girls.


    FUN - That is the key word here. FUN!

    I you aren't having fun while you are out sarging, then it becomes a chore. Put everything aside, all egos, all cares and throw caution to the wind - nothing astronomically bad will happen - guaranteed!

    Ok, so you've lost your Approach Anxiety and your ready to approach that hottie, what do you say/do???

    You: Hmmm hey, hmmm how, hmmmm you doing?

    NOooo, NOooo! Thats a sure fire way to rejection-ville, unless you happen to look like Johnny Depp or have the most amazing frame ever.

    If your a natural and you don't favor the canned stuff - heres how you do it:

    You: Hey love/girl/sweetie i just saw you from across the club and i thought you were amazing so i came to talk to you.

    Here - your frame HAS to be strong, you have to ASSUME ATTRACTION and Believe that you are going to get this girl and rock her world - otherwise, you'll go down like the Titanic.

    - Good Posture
    - Good Eye Contact
    - Strong Tonality and Projection of Voice (Be Clear)
    - Dont Rush your words - Nice...even...pace
    - ASSUME ATTRACTION!!!

    What do I mean - Assume Attraction?

    Do I mean 'Assume that you are handsome'? YES!
    Do I mean 'Assume that you are capable'? YES!
    Do I mean 'Assume that you are funny'? YES!

    Assume EVERYTHING that is positive, and what would truly endear you to other people!

    Being Attractive is not necessarily being Handsome, Funny or Capable, being Attractive is the way you carry yourself, its the way you treat other around you, it's the outlook you have on life, you are the positive one, the risk taker -the one who is unafraid to embrace his masculinity to get what he truly wants and deserves.

    From the Opener - you have to keep going, just telling the girl that you want to meet her isn't enough, you have to stack some stories and start building some VAC (Value, Attainability, Comfort). After all - this girl doesn't know you, so you're just another schmuck trying to get some ass from her!

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    Vibing is mostly a process of topic association. With everything she says, a girl will give you a number of potential directions in which to take the conversation. Good vibing is the result of being aware of these directions on an unconscious level, and taking the conversation down the best path.

    Let's take an easy example. Suppose a girl said to you "At this party last night, I got really drunk and started grinding with my girlfriend and making out with her."

    Possible topics for you to vibe off of are:
    1. The party last night
    2. Parties in general
    3. What you did last night
    4. Getting really drunk
    5. Girls making out with other girls
    6. Her girlfriend
    7. Grinding/dancing
    8. Dancing at parties/clubs

    This is the easy part. Just by recognizing what a wealth of topics she presents you with every time she opens her mouth, you'll solve the problem of "stalling out" and having nothing to say.

    There are multitudes of topics you can use to vibe, the best are usually those which most people can identify with:

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    Don't you just hate...
    - expecting something and then not getting it?
    - when you get a text message, and you run all the way upstairs only to find out it's just a phone company update?
    - when you're waiting for a bus/train and it's delayed?
    - when you hear a song you love and you can't remember who sings it?
    - when you're about to get into the house and you can't find the keys, so you're stuck waiting outside?
    - laying in bed, 5 minutes left, and then you have to get up?

    Look for commonalities and attempt to let the conversation flow, get that rapport and show her what a great guy you are.

    Vibing is integral, but it is only a small part of what you are going to do to get the girl - as a natural you must be able to 'Take nothing and turn it into something', you must be able to create stories that depict moods, evoke feelings and create emotional bonds to get you what you desire.

    Nightclubs can be intimidating places, smokey, alive, packed to the rafters with guys just wanting to get laid, so you do have competition; but knowing what you read here will put you far and above those other guys. You dont have to drink, you can sip water - allow your true confidence to seep thru, oftentimes you'll notice that the pure rush from the atmosphere is enough to keep you motivated and pushing those sets further.

    98% of the people in the clubs will be drunk, they won't know what they are doing and most will become ultra-friendly, easily beguiled and manipulated. Here's your chance to generate maximum social proof - so what you dont know anyone in the venue? You will in 10 minutes! Simply go around high-fiving and shaking hands with every guy in the venue, you can do this to girls, as well - this is what TylerDurden calls 'Short Set Method', it's easy and everyone in the club (unless they are assholes) will give you a warm handshake or high-five - instant social proof, easier openings!

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    Soooo, you dont have the kahoonas to open direct, do you? Well, maybe Indirect will be more to your style. This method involves flying in under the radar, making the girls feel comfortable with your presence, and then moving the interaction towards the ultimate goal of sex. Its vitally important that in the first minute, the girl be comfortable with your presence, otherwise it won't work - you'll get rejected.

    I'll move onto some examples of Indirect game in a second, but first you have to realize this: Unless you are super super hot or have amazing game, just approaching random girls will not always yield a success. You may get shot down in flames in a big way - but that doesn't matter, as there are always more girls (4 Billion, I think?) Lately, I've been taking note of IOI's that girls fire off (IOI's are indicators of interest), that's there way of saying - 'Hmm... I like what I see, now will he be man enough to approach me?'

    Here are a few examples of IOI's:

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    From a distance, before contact:
    1. Occasionally looking in your direction or throwing you a sideways glance.
    2. Briefly holding your gaze then moving her eyes downward and away.
    3. Smoothing her clothes or messing with her hair after you’ve caught her looking at you.
    4. Turning her body toward you and smiling.
    5. Adopting the same posture as you.
    6. Accentuating her breasts.
    7. Seeming to appear by chance in the same vicinity as you-check it when she moves to another spot and after you’ve moved there. She appears like a ghost doing what Da Kidd and Paradise called 'perimeter breaches.'
    8. Accidentally bumping into you.
    9. Touching you while she passes. This is a strong choosing signal.
    10. Seeming to hang about in your area for no apparent reason as if she is waiting for you to be a damn man and step up to her and approach.

    You can be sure that by looking for these IOI's your approach will be alot easier than approaching blindly. From here on, you're on a downward slope and your hand is on the brake pedal.

    Ok - now onto the canned routines.

    Canned routines have been around for a while, they are fun to use and yield good results, but know this - YOU MUST ALWAYS, ALWAYS SHOW GLIMPSES OF WHO YOU ARE WHEN USING THESE - DO NOT BECOME A ROBOT!

    Openers: Opening the Girl(s)

    Two Girls Fighting: With great enthusiasm... "OMG!… Did you see those two girls fighting outside? Like right outside the club... they were totally going at it; one was pulling the others' hair, and the other one drew blood with her nails. They were fighting over this little, fat, bald guy…I mean ok – if he was good-looking like Brad Pitt you can kinda understand, right? But this guy looked like Humpty Dumpty!!!

    Jealous Girlfriend: Hey, can I get your opinion on something? Would you go out with a guy who was still friends with his ex-gf? (Wait for responses) Ok, interesting, the reason I'm asking is because my friend, Grant, over there was seeing this girl, but he was still friends with his ex. Now he had a drawer full of pictures of his ex-gf, not nudey pictures or anything, just a few pictures and some letters. Would you think that was ok or would you want him to get rid of them? (if she says get rid, bust on her for being jealous) Wow! Now his new girlfriend, she took all of his pictures into the yard...and burned them!!! Is that jealousy or just plain psycho???

    There are plenty more Canned Openers you can use, but it is far better if you use your own. If you are using Base Openers - make sure you set the frame that:

    1. You want a GENUINE opinion on something or make sure its believable.
    2. You make it clear that it's BS and you just used it to start a convo.

    From here you must once again keep the conversation going, stack some routines or stories like:

    My Gay Guy Routine: "Ohhh god, you have to hear this. Last weekend we went to this new club and had a great time, partying, having fun and the whole shabbang. However, near the end of the night we ended up in this other place..ok, nothing weird there? But as we were getting our drinks – I felt this hand grab my backside, I turned around (slowly) to see this ****ing huge guy in a vest stood smiling at me…okkkkk – you have never seen me bolt so quick – we got the hell out of there – Don’t you hate guys who grab your asses, I mean why don’t guys just attempt to start a normal conversation, that’s cool, right? like if you see someone who you find interesting and you think “I’d like to meet him”, sometimes it’s hard to just walk over and introduce yourself to him, like people get shy and don’t want to do it, but if everyone’s just walking round it can happen really naturally. Like the other day, I met these girls in a club and they were totally too shy to even talk to a new person, jeez, what’s the world coming too…actually you guys kinda remind me of those girls, your shy, too, aren’t you? You must be, I've been talking to you for a while now and you still haven’t introduced yourself!!"

    --- into

    Water routine if not already asked: -- (sipping water) Ahhh delicious! I like to drink, but I'm starting to concentrate more on my health lately. I've just started hitting the gym and playing football again, so I'm trying to limit myself, plus I haven’t got a lot of money this week, I just sponsored a lady at my work to do the Race For Life. It’s a great cause and something I strongly believe in… What about you? Do you do any volunteering? or...Have you ever done anything good for someone/something that you can look back on and be proud of?…(into screening)

    You can also drop negs in. If she is of the caliber 8+ in looks, then neg her, Negs are used to bring high-class girls down from their pedestal, breaking their b-shields and making them more sargeable:

    Examples:

    Oooh, wow! Your nose wiggles when you talk...look look there it goes again haha!

    I like your makeup!

    Are those nails real? Ohh hmm they look nice anyway

    Is your hair real? (Pull it) Wait it moved!! Its not real!! (Pull harder) Ohh cool, i guess ill believe you

    I like your dress, i remember seeing you at the club before and you were wearing the same dress. It Is nice though...

    (When shes talking) Ewwwwwwww you spit on me!! (wipe face)

    (Shout Loudly) lady!!! Im not going to make out with you!!!

    Only 1 neg for HB8
    Only 2 for HB9
    3+ for HB10

    Anyone notice what i left out???

    Thats right - ISOLATION!!!

    It is integral that you get your target a more secluded and comfortable place in the venue, a place where you can escalate the KINO that you will have been doing already and a chance to really connect - find a place where there are couches, a quiet area near a bar or if needs be - Venue change to another location.

    Once you have isolated its time to Qualify your target and demonstrate some Value:

    Qualify the target:

    Telling story after story might do you wonders, but you need to qualify your target to make sure she is right for you - also increasing your value. Ask her question, make statements that demand of her to explain and qualify herself to you making your value rise - she will be thinking 'Am i good enough for him'....

    Some Qualifying Statments:

    Your a really great conversationalist!

    You have good energy

    You really care about your friends, I bet you'll make a great mother

    You really seem like a person who knows what she wants, i admire that!

    - Remember, COMPLIMENT very SPARSELY - if at all!

    Qualifying Questions:

    Are you adventurous?

    Are you spontaneous?

    Are you fun?..Cool because i only hang with cool people

    Can you cook?

    Can you Drive?

    Can you dance?

    Are you rich?

    Do you have a big TV?

    Cool because i want a rich girlfriend who is really fun and who can cook! hehe

    Once you have gotten to this stage, and the conversation is flowing freely, the KINO is being mirrored by both parties you can go for a close:

    That can be:-

    - Kiss Close
    - Number Close
    - Fclose (full close. fcuk close)

    There are a variety of kiss closes to use: From straight up going for it, using Triangular Gazing and leaning in to the canned routines and natural routines that have been devised - here are a few.

    Mystery's Kissclose:

    You: Would you like to kiss me?

    Her: Yes (Kiss her!)

    Her: No (Say - Oh well i didnt say you could, you just looked like you had something on your mind)

    Her: Maybe (Means yes, say - Lets find out and Kiss her!)

    Swinggcat's Kissclose:

    You: If you were in Kissing School, and your teacher was grading you out of 10 for kissing - what would he give you?

    Her: 10!

    You: Hmmm Lets find out... (Kiss her)

    Nightblue's Kissclose:

    After triangular gazing -

    The three dots are a pause, and all the parts must be said with a deep voice and same pace. Then the "kiss me" should be said more whispering, in a seductive way.

    "I want you... To leave...Every thought in your mind... then go... ahead and
    kiss me..."

    Then softly go for the kiss.

    If you dont want to go for the kiss - simply exchange numbers:

    Make her think she has something to lose - Hey we might never see each other again, we should exchange numbers (give her the phone)

    or

    Whats your phone number?

    If you want to go for the fclose:

    Im hungry, lets go back your place for something to eat - you said your a good cook, now you can make me a bacon sandwich!!! hehe

    or

    Want to come back to my place and smoke some weed?

    Want to come back to my place for a late night snack?

    Want to come back to my place and watch my cat do backflips?

    Don't directly suggest sex, unless shes a slut - it ain't happening (most of the time), you can even go as far as giving her a false disqualfier:

    I'm not having sex with you tonight (this is gold, later you'll screw her brains out).

    That just about wraps this up. If you feel I missed anything, or you want to ask any questions, post away and I'll try to answer your queries.

    Remember - Clubs are just big rooms fueled with alcohol, filled with people and music. Go to have fun - don't be afraid, nothing bad can come from approaching women - that is how you progress and evolve.

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    Wow, that was really solid advice. Thanks man! My buddies and I are hitting up a club this weekend and I am going to read (and re-read) this until I get it all down.

    Thanks.

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    Club game is very tough. I consider myself pretty good at meeting and attracting women, but club game is definitely the hardest for me. I find it much harder than street/day game or bar/lounge game.

    Clubs are all about subtle things, body languages, looks and eye contact.

    Everyone needs to get better at club game, as it will increase all aspects of your game.

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    Default Re: How To Sarge a Night Club

    Hey I'm just wondering if the clubs in the U.S. are the same as they are down here, as in they play the music so loud that you have to shout to be heard?

    Because you are competing with so many external stimuli (loud music, loud people, lots of other people, bright lights ect) I've found that the best way to succeed is to be really high energy. Although the plus side is that by working in such a challenging environment you pick up a lot of non verbal communication skills which pretty much sums up what Steve and Bill said, hope you don't mind I just paraphrased there guys.

    This is the kind of stuff I am really looking to learn the theory behind because I used to just go out there and wing it so to speak without really having any idea or game plan.

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    Default Re: How To Sarge a Night Club

    thx,man

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    Default Re: How To Sarge a Night Club

    Great advice!! For once, I'm actually excitied to go and talk to women regardless of whether or not they shoot me down. Look forward to going to the club this weekend!

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    Default Re: How To Sarge a Night Club

    One of the best post I've read here!

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    Default Re: How To Sarge a Night Club

    Good read, although he forgot the do's and don't. But I have a couple I figured out.

    Do's:
    - Open girls without hesitating.
    - Joke with girls in the dance floor and leave, then come back later.
    - Offer or take a girls hand, turning them around and start dancing.
    -While dancing in front keep eye contact.
    -If enough ioi's, slowly start to Kino.

    Don'ts:
    -Walk around the club looking for a target.
    -Walk around the club with your friends following you or you following them (Very AFC and unattractive)
    -Force girls to dance with you
    -Sit in the bar and mean mug everyone (AFC)
    -Dancing with guys. (Trust me)
    -Grinding girls from the back without them seeing you ( You always have to be in front of them at first)
    -Jumping at girls and harassing them to dance with you.
    - Getting too drunk (If you're out sarging, try not to drink as much or know you limits)
    -Going in too hard in Kino (When dancing, touching her in unproper places too fast)

    An other pointer guys: If you're grinding with a girl and you get a hard on, don't be shy and don't pull forward neither, keep it natural. Because believe it or not, girls love it and even think its hot when they get hard on while grinding. They'll think, ''okay I'm doing something right'' and if they don't like it they'll usually get off and leave. If she like it you'll notice because she'll go deeper in her twirls. When that happends, I have 0 complaints Especially if she's got a big-.. God I love grindin'. Cheers fellas.


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