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    Default Awake vs. tired?

    I've been doing some thinking about how your overall mood effects the way people perceive you, and how easy it is to meet women and have them gain interest in you. Of course we all know that if you're in a foul mood you'll still project it no matter how hard you try and hide it.

    I also heard from a pick-up related podcast about how most guys who study game aren't idiots, they're usually very intelligent. People who are intelligent tend to overthink things and second-guess themselves, and it doesn't show a lot of confidence. You can also create a self-fulfilled prophecy where if you think about failure you'll probably end up failing. So basically guys who think too much are hurting their chances of picking up women.

    So long story short, last night I brought home this gorgeous French girl I met at a bar. I posted on here about how lately I've been striking out worse and worse, and as time goes on the girls I have been able to get have been getting lower and lower in quality. This was also a bar that I used to have luck in, but the past year or so I've just been having no luck. How was it that the past couple girls I've been with have been insanely average, but this gorgeous European beauty wanted to come back with me? I didn't consciously use any game, really, just a lot of cocky humor and negs.

    But my Mindset was weird last night - I almost didn't go out. I've been really overworked lately and the past week I had no sleep. Saturday night I went to bed at 6AM and woke up at 9AM, and I just stayed awake the rest of the day. I was EXHAUSTED. I got to the bar with a friend, sat down for a bit with some brews, and then decided to get up and dance. I was so tired that I just didn't care, and I found myself breaking out of my shell (I'm a horrible dancer and never usually dance unless I'm hammered). I met Ms. Paris outside, and my friend and I ran some negs on her, and she invited us to hang out with her friends. We danced a bit, made out, and then I offered to have her come back. I didn't think about it, I just did it. I pretty much had no cognitive thinking abilities due to the mixture of exhaustion and alcohol. But it worked. I notice that if I'm wide awake I tend to think way too much, and that always trips me up.

    So, guys, have you noticed better success when you're alert and awake? Or do you have better luck if you're tired? I'd imagine this has a ton of influence on your actions and how you present yourself.

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    Default Re: Awake vs. tired?

    well when you are like what you were you dont care about the outcome you are saying it because it is what you want. you are being strait forward with her and some chicks dig it
    im on a different level

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    Default Re: Awake vs. tired?

    This is a great topic and I would like to hear more responses on it from others.

    Personally this is a main "problem" of mine. I guess I am the opposite of you, when I am really tired, most of the time I simply CANNOT get myself to even approach...

    From my experience, Its like my aa gets cranked up to max when I'm really tired because it puts me into an antisocial mood (Even though in the back of my mind I'm sitting there wishing I would be talking with a girl).

    For instance this weekend I was fresh and opening sets, having good convo's etc on Friday. Saturday I was tired and kind of hungover, drank a few beers at night which pumped me up initially, then put me into the most mellow, chill, but antisocial mood at the bar. I stood around with my friends, looking around at all the girls I wish I was talking to, but just couldn't get myself to do it. To me this is the WORST feeling when your out trying to sarge. It's a state that once in, is hard to get out for the night.

    I think when I'm tired/mellow/sleepy or similar mood, I start overthinking the convo aspect of what will happen after I open.... and it just bogs my mind down.

    When I'm awake and fresh that dosn't really seem to happen as much. Simply because I'm feeling more naturally social and can roll with it. BUT at the same time this sucks, because lets face it... we can't always be in our best energetic mood at all times.

    Anyone else feel the same way?

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    Default Re: Awake vs. tired?

    lol i am just a social person any way so drinking doesnt effect my game at all but that is just me
    im on a different level

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    Default Re: Awake vs. tired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hopeful33 View Post
    lol i am just a social person any way so drinking doesnt effect my game at all but that is just me
    I'd say and others would agree that I'm very social as well, but not when I'm tired lol.

    Anyone can be tired and in an antisocial mood sometimes. It's just hard to believe that everyone's going to be at their best with random strangers when you're about ready to hit the hay!

    And I agree... I don't believe drinking to effect my game either. I've gone to bars sober, drunk, and everywhere in between, and I still think it comes down more to you're underlying mood. Now obviously no one is attracted to a slobbery drunk stumbling over words, so were not talking that. Just a social buzz. This brings up another good question related to this.

    I think that the reason that most people are EVEN out at bars/clubs between the hours of 11pm-3am (or later) is generally because you've been drinking. I don't know alot of people that are sober, and in a energetic mood, out at those hours. The drinking kind of pumps up your state enabling you to stay out late.. Walk down any of the bar districts here in Milwaukee at 2am, good luck finding someone totally sober lol.

    And obviously I'm just talking bar/club game here, not daygame. I am actually starting to prefer daygame, as I think its easier to get a good reaction from girls catching them off guard during the day. Plus I'm more energetic and awake... the topic here. lol

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    Default Re: Awake vs. tired?

    Lex S: I have more success approaching women when I'm well awake, simply because when I'm tired, I know I look like shit and am no fun to talk to anyways. Thus I don't approach at all. When I'm drunk it's the other way around, though

    Rando9009: Like I replied above, when I'm tired, I just don't approach. When you don't feel like it, just don't do it. You don't have to approach, as long as you do when you do want to. (Is that a confusing sentence?). Try to get yourself to stop thinking when you're about to approach and tired.

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    Default Re: Awake vs. tired?

    Rando - I do agree that being awake does have its benefits. If a girl is able to throw out negs of her own or shit-test you, then you have to be on your best game and be as clever as possible. This is when having a sharp mind comes in handy. I almost stayed home last night since I was so tired. But when I went out, I figured I'd be too tired to even dance or talk to people. But I have to say the energy of the bar kept me going.

    I personally only really get to go out at night, and so that means tons of bars. I'm working on my Approach Anxiety, but honestly I find it easier to approach women or groups when I've had a few in me. Same if I'm just meeting people there to talk to. Bars get a pretty cool vibe after about 2AM, because chances are everyone's hammered and having a good time, and therefore more outgoing and social. This place had a really good energy last night, and I was just able to feed off it.

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    Default Re: Awake vs. tired?

    Now here's another question - Lately a lot of women have been doing some Eat, Pray, Love crap and traveling around and just living wild. Do you think my chances with this girl increased because she was only in the States for a couple days? After all, what better way to have a one-night stand - There's probably less guilt, and unless we make a conscious effort to meet up again the next time she's in the States, we'll never see one another again.

    I noticed this "traveler appeal" the first time about a year ago. I was house sitting for a friend in Queens and I went out with a friend who brought 3 girls with him. One also happened to live in Queens, and she seemed really really interested when I said I was only there for the weekend. She wasted no time exchanging numbers, and the next morning she texted me about hanging out later that night. Most girls are usually stand-offish about getting in touch too quick or moving too fast, but the day after meeting both Queens girl and Canadian girl they both said that since we'd only be in the same city for a short time we should meet up again. I wonder if this lack of time/do or die attitude is brought on by their wandering.


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