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Thread: Help! Problem with Hooking - Indirect Game

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    Default Help! Problem with Hooking - Indirect Game

    Had a pretty rough night last night. Hayabusa and I went out with a group of friends and then got separated. I ended up just kinda having a friends night out - a really fun/memorable one - but my game was terrible.

    I haven't been consistently hooking sets in the club. I open well (always inderect, that's the skills set I'd like to build) I FTC and even get them hooked / leaning in and whatnot. But after about three minutes the excitement of a chance encounter wears off and they start glancing around waiting for me to leave. Fark.

    Here's what I suspect my problem might be:
    1 - Am I staying too long? I should Roll Off for my FTC and then what - re-open with more dhv or to merge a set?
    2 - There is no re-open. Pretty much after opening a set, they've disappeared in a few minutes (though I guess if they were hooked they'd come find me)
    3 - This town is filled with d1ck. People are very friendly here, but it's a military town in the south. Every girl assumes that a guy approaching is just looking to get laid - difficult to start a real conversation because defences (not b1tch shields, just defences) are very high
    4 - There are no 1-sets. It has the feel of a dive bar where each clustered set is close friends with eachother and not open to an approach - maybe in part due to the predatory reputation of guys in general
    5 - I might be mis-calibrated. I've been running daygame (direct and indirect) at a college for... as long as I can remember.

    Don't want to seem like I'm pessimizing ^ these are the obstacles I've identified, looking for suggestions to overcome them / or / better explanations of why I'm having trouble moving from A2 to A3. Once I'm in C1 it is deal done, but right now the hook point is sticky for me in clubs.
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    Default Re: Help! Problem with Hooking - Indirect Game

    Are you sticking on your opener?

    You want to transition to other more interesting topics as quickly as possible, have multiple things to talk about if you're getting stuck. Personally I have no trouble asking what they are celebrating, but I'd they aren't engaged in the conversation you may need something more unique. Situational questions or something topical, or even another indirect opener can work to seed a multiple thread there, just move it along

    Also something I've been doing (you ask about it a bit) is cutting it off before you get those looks, like "hey i gotta get back to my friends I'll come talk to you a bit more later"
    What's important is that you end it on a high note. Find your friends, open another set, and return to them later if you have a chance, at that point you're old friends already and you build instant rapport and kinda slingshot the interaction forward
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    Default Re: Help! Problem with Hooking - Indirect Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Autismus View Post
    Had a pretty rough night last night. Hayabusa and I went out with a group of friends and then got separated. I ended up just kinda having a friends night out - a really fun/memorable one - but my game was terrible.
    Quote Originally Posted by Autismus View Post
    I haven't been consistently hooking sets in the club. I open well (always inderect, that's the skills set I'd like to build) I FTC and even get them hooked / leaning in and whatnot. But after about three minutes the excitement of a chance encounter wears off and they start glancing around waiting for me to leave. Fark.
    Here's what I suspect my problem might be:
    1 - Am I staying too long? I should roll off for my FTC and then what - re-open with more dhv or to merge a set?
    2 - There is no re-open. Pretty much after opening a set, they've disappeared in a few minutes (though I guess if they were hooked they'd come find me)
    3 - This town is filled with d1ck. People are very friendly here, but it's a military town in the south. Every girl assumes that a guy approaching is just looking to get laid - difficult to start a real conversation because defences (not b1tch shields, just defences) are very high
    4 - There are no 1-sets. It has the feel of a dive bar where each clustered set is close friends with eachother and not open to an approach - maybe in part due to the predatory reputation of guys in general
    5 - I might be mis-calibrated. I've been running daygame (direct and indirect) at a college for... as long as I can remember.
    Don't want to seem like I'm pessimizing ^ these are the obstacles I've identified, looking for suggestions to overcome them / or / better explanations of why I'm having trouble moving from A2 to A3. Once I'm in C1 it is deal done, but right now the hook point is sticky for me in clubs.


    1 – Three minutes should not be staying too long. You should be able to keep their attention at least that long. You probably aren’t stacking soon enough. The opener is used to break the ice and that’s it. I’d assume you use some sort of question to open since you say you use indirect openers. If that’s the case, follow the question with a quick anecdote then stack forward with something else. The opener ideally lasts about 15 seconds but never more than 30 seconds. Also, the point of an FTC is to make it seem like you’re going to be going any second. Easy bailout point if you get blown out but also something to use should things go well:
    You: Well, I should be getting back to xxx….
    Girls: Noo stay!
    2 – Don’t worry about this. To be honest, I never re-open a set. Once I leave, I don’t come back. I’ll have either just rolled off because it wasn’t happening or n-closed. If I’m really feeling it, I stay with the girl until either we bounce or things start to wane off (and then n-close).
    3 – If you’re running indirect game, this shouldn’t be an issue. That’s the whole point of indirect game, to appear to not be hitting on the girls. You’re just talking and having a good time without even thinking about sex. Then when things escalate, it’s a complete surprise to you! (Not really though ). If you’re having trouble here though you might be showing interest too soon. Try a few sets where you show absolutely no interest in any of them. You’re just having a casual conversation. Once you get these conversations down (and make sure you’re controlling the frame!) then start going back to showing interest. Just make sure it’s with time, not showing it too early.
    4 – If the girls are out, they’re looking to be picked up. You just have to stand out from the rest as someone who is worth it. THEY are the ones winning YOU, not the other way around. Be sure to remember that. They are not the prize, you are. Keep this in mind when you approach and the dive bar feel won’t matter.
    5 – This could be possible as there are vast differences between day game and night/club/bar game. Just keep going out at night and you’ll recalibrate to running that game as well. Just takes time.
    Finally, you’re not pessimizing (is that even a real word? Haha I still understand it..). These are what you feel are your sticking points that you need help with! Nothing wrong with asking J
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    Default Re: Help! Problem with Hooking - Indirect Game

    Thanks RB! I'll work on more gripping routines, most of my daygame dhv routines are a good enough break from her boring day or really good in comfort-building, but I'll need some more stimulating stuff to get her attention at night game. (General "her" meaning "the target")

    Thanks for the in-depth Knight Turner! I'm waaay miscalibrated for night game and these details help A LOT!

    I'll have some FR's ready after I hit it again.

    Damn, this PUA sh1t can be emotionally draining sometimes! Lol
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