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    Default Does the OPENER really matter?

    Im started to wonder this... Does the opener really matter? as long as its something?


    It seems to me the best openers are ones that aren't canned lines but saying things that are relevant to the environment and/or situation?

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    Default Re: Does the OPENER really matter?

    No...
    the opener is just an extra, unnecessary step.
    You can skip it & just walk up & start flirting.

    Especially if you make eye-contact with her & exchange smiles. (That's an open invitation to walk over & approach.)



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    Default Re: Does the OPENER really matter?

    I agree, flirting right off the bat sounds cushy...

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    Default Re: Does the OPENER really matter?

    Openers are meant to get a woman into a talkative mood. Especially important during day game when they are busy.

    They range from low risk/ low reward and high risk/ high reward. So basically you can go up and flirt no problem. Just know it's considered a high risk, that if you pull it off, you'd skip alot of the beginning steps.

    On the other hand, asking a woman for the time carries practically zero risk, but difficult to transition to a normal, let alone sexual, conversation.
    "All things are subject to interpretation. Whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth."

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    Default Re: Does the OPENER really matter?

    I think they do... A golden opener can crack an ice queen. Im finding body language is incredibly important during the opener... Just as important as what your saying.

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    Default Re: Does the OPENER really matter?

    I definitely believe openers are beneficial for a first impression but if your a highly skilled womanizer then it becomes an expendable novelty at your will..

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    Default Re: Does the OPENER really matter?

    Environmental things are called "situational openers", and using a canned one doesn't matter, but what's important is that you go say something other than "hi you're hot"

    You can get away with whatever if youre ready to transition it into a conversation and avoid the interview topics

    What Tmal talked about is a warm approach, very clutch, read here
    http://www.puaforums.com/how-approac...-approach.html

    In reality, I go run a canned opener sometimes then throw it away 60 seconds later, "ok really I just wanted to come say hi"
    The opener opens the door, that's it
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    Default Re: Does the OPENER really matter?

    I find that my style of pick up doesn't rely on openers as well. Although I do want to start sarging during the day, which from what I hear openers work great. Gonna maybe try a few in the daytime.

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    Default Re: Does the OPENER really matter?

    The opener mostly matters if it goes badly - because then it's the reason you blow out; but if it goes well then yeah it usually doesn't really matter.

    IMO what really matters is having a good A1. Your opener is really just the first three seconds, which buys you 15 seconds to explain the opener, which hooks them into a minute-ish conversation, when then goes off on a few minutes of tangent discussion, and from there you have them for about 15 minutes to dhv (A2) and qualify etc. (A3) so in the long run, an opener doesn't matter unless it blows you out.
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    Default Re: Does the OPENER really matter?

    Think of your opener as a CV. Its your application for an interview if you will. If you have a great CV but interview poorly you won't get the job. The same applies for dating, the opener gets your foot in the door but its not going to get you into her pants! You have to build attraction and dhv to do that...


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