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    Arrow the statement-opinion-opener

    When going indirect many pua’s open with opinion openers like “my roommates girlfriend wants to get a dog, what kind of dog do you think they should get? They asked me, but I was unsure what to tell them…..” the problem is that this sounds pretty insecure to me, just think about it, you need her opinion because you don’t even have an opinion on the subject or your too insecure about your opinion so you need someone else’s to make you feel secure in your opinion. You may not think like this but this is the kind of things that go through a girls head if you aren’t 100% alpha about it. So I decided to change the opinion opener into the statement-opinion opener.
    The other advantages that statement-opinion openers have over plain opinion openers is that you sound a lot more secure and can stack right into good conversation without having to “transition” and the result is that you have a smoother flowing convo that is easier to stack.
    In order to use a s-o-o’s (statement-opinion-openers) you need to first open with a statement and then go into a question about her opinion of that statement. The goal is to have them thinking that you’re just genuinely curious about your environment instead of thinking that you’re a loser who is making something up just so you can talk to her. She will feel that you are just talking to her because you like her body. using the statement first shows that you’re not just trying to talk to her because she’s hot, it’s because you find something in the environment interesting and you just had to share it with her. This is non-needy and shows that you are sociable and aware of your surroundings.
    The format is simple and easy to use:
    1. Make a statement about something in your surroundings
    2. Ask a genuine question about that statement
    3. Smoothly Stack into other material

    It is really simple and it keeps the convo flowing rather than sandwiching a transitioner in between your opener and your material. I will give some examples:

    At my college there is free coffee (at the library) within 50 feet of the starbucks on campus, the other day as I was getting free coffee an hb9 approached to get a cup of the “free stuff”. I opened with a good statement-opinion opener.
    Me: gotta love having free coffee
    Her: yeah..
    Me: do you think it’s ironic that they have free coffee this close to starbucks? Won’t it hurt their business?
    Her: blah,blah
    Me: stacked into kino’s 95% n-close (I didn’t have a lot of time to talk and neither did she)



    In addition I used it in day game on a girl who was walking by
    My opener: "hey take a look over there; i think that couple needs to get a room..."
    This got her attention as I immediately directed her to look at something and then you I went straight into asking her opinion about couples making out in public and then i used that to stack into some positive/negative sex talk (a form of nlp).

    Stacking is so much smoother with statement-opinion openers that I stopped using regular opinion openers. The only downfall is that you need to be creative and make a quick statement about something in the environment. You can almost always make a statement about the people around you whether anything exciting is happening or not. If there are no people around you can make a statement about anything you want to (though the best statements are ones about things that are ironic or funny in some way)

    My last example:
    There was an HB8 wearing a hoodie with the team logo of the team who just so happens to play football at the stadium I work at, they had lost that Saturdays game pretty bad and it was the Tuesday afterwards.
    Me: I read the letters XXX (undisclosed to protect my identity) off of her shirt loud enough so she could hear me
    Me: you know they got raped by (the team that won the game) on Saturday.
    Her: yeah, ever since they became a member of the big 12 conference they haven’t done so well
    Me: do you think they really belong in the big 12?
    Her: blah,blah……
    Me: stacked into a dhv routine about me working at the stadium and proceeded to show her some pictures I had taken at work.

    This style of indirect game works particularly well in day game (especially at college where you can’t use the same opener multiple times without being labeled as a pua) it provides you with a great way to stack into other routines and generally is far less monotonous than asking the same opinion opener over and over. be sure to try it out!
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    Default Re: the statement-opinion-opener

    wow this equips me with a much more robust arsenal and at the same time it keeps you 'natural'. Excellent Post:

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    Default Re: the statement-opinion-opener

    Great post! Although I disagree on the downfall of most opinion openers they can certainly come that way of not well executed

    But regardless it's a solid way to open in any situation, and it was a good read, I used to use situational openers a lot more but haven't been since my resurgence into game, but It's a great natural thing to work with

    Can you talk a little about how you transition out of them in Daygame? That's my next big task to tackle
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    Default Re: the statement-opinion-opener

    the transition is actualy when i ask the question after making the statement, thats the beauty of it, it is simple to transition into convorsation by asking a question about the statement wich you opened with. the question always gets a good response from the girl because you related to her when you made the statement. usualy when using this i go for "speed closes" (i'll say something about her phone if she has it out and i'll use that to transition into a speedy n-close) but i decide to go into any dhv routine i will listen to what she says and then go into a transition "that reminds me of the time i... (insert personal experience/dhv here)" it's easy once you get the hang of it and have some general dhv stories that you can relate to almost anything. often i simply tease the girl and don't even need to go into a dhv story (i save alot of my story's for when i get to the comfort stage) and i usualy prefer to get girls talking about themselves and then tease them about whatever they tell me about themselves

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    Default Re: the statement-opinion-opener

    Im pretty new to all this but the few times iv tried to use opinion openers they dont usually get the biggest reaction (quite possibly my delivery/body language etc.) but thanks for the post has given me some good insite as to how to s-o-o and do it naturally.

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    Default Re: the statement-opinion-opener

    These openers are great. To be honest, I have left them behind a little bit, but when I started approaching it's all I would use. I will revisit them today!


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