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Thread: What do you think of this opener?

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    Default What do you think of this opener?

    Hey, I was reading something online and wrote this up all by myself. What do you think, I am trying this out on a few girls to see what reactions I get. Your telling the girl shes smoking and subconsciously telling her that you want her right, and asking her to go out all in the opener. Should I make changes? Add things? What's your thoughts.

    Hey I know you probably get a lot of attention from guys on here and offline.

    I think your so damn sexy, and for average guys like myself we find it hard to meet great looking, interesting and funny women. You know there was actually survey done that I read on yahoo and it was actually proven that it is 30 times hard for a decent looking, honest, and sweet guy to meet women than it is for a gorgeous guy who is full of himself.

    Do you have any suggestions for us good guys to break through and make this survey wrong? How about over coffee?

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    Default Re: What do you think of this opener?

    it could work i guess.. but personally i don't really like it..
    you are increasing her value way to much by saying things like 'get a lot of attention from guys', 'so damn sexy'.. also you are already judging her as being interesting and funny and you don't know anything about her, except shes goodlooking, plus you are 'advertising (sort of to speak)' yourself as the Average JOE (you don't want that, you wanna stand out from the average)..
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    Default Re: What do you think of this opener?

    To add to what bobat6 said:

    It's definitely "beta".
    Girls get told how good looking they are all the time& they automatically get turned off by that.

    There's no confidence being expressed either... you sound unsure & insecure.

    Also- Never go for the "kill shot" (invite) before you build curiosity, attraction & comfort.
    That's a mistake most guys make.

    Trying to ask a girl out too early increases your odds of her saying "no".

    You need to get her attention & be fun & flirty.
    Have a few exchanges to pique her interest.... and THEN ask her out.



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    Default Re: What do you think of this opener?

    I think the whole thing about not talking to her about her looks is kind of, well void on this site as the site is all about rating bodies. lol a friend told me about the site so I thought I would give it a shot and see if anything could come from it.
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    Default Re: What do you think of this opener?

    To second what all these guys said - I think it's half decent and half dlv.

    You acknowledge that she's hot and that a lot of guys are low value - which would be a dhv if you didn't group yourself together with those guys and if you weren't so affected by her beauty.

    Go on youtube and look up "Sasha Daygame" videos, watch about 50 minutes until you get the message, then watch more. His is a style which acknowledges her beauty as possibly being up to his standard without putting them on a pedestal - if you comment on them being hot or pretty then you need to out yourself on the pedestal for them. Check out Sasha and you'll see
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    Default Re: What do you think of this opener?

    I'd say scrap it. The whole thing reeks of lower value. You open up complimenting her looks, and then basically say you're a dork throughout the entire thing. The twist at the end is humorous, but again, you come off sounding dorky and needy.

    One thing I've learned in my interactions with women is to never compliment them unless they deserve it. Have you ever talked to this woman before? No. So if you guys do get to talking make her work for it. There's nothing that screams high value like having a woman chasing a guy.

    I do appreciate the humor, though. I've been working on my cocky/aloof attitude by listening to a lot of comedians who are very quick-witted and can turn anything into a joke. Women don't like boring guys, and a sense of humor can show confidence, especially if you poke fun at her (Nothing too mean-spirited, though, make it about things she can laugh off). Again, it's a way to neg, and it'll show higher value on your behalf.

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    Default Re: What do you think of this opener?

    Look man you are getting some good advise from the previous posters so I'm going to try my best not repeat what they have already said.

    There is some humor in your opener but the rest of it will just ruin it. She will see you as just another regular, boring guy trying his luck. It might solicit a response and if that is the case I doubt it would be a favorable one. Your giving her too much value when she hasn't earned it. Just because she has a hot body doesn't mean she has any value. She could be as dumb as a door nail and personally I feel that a ladies ability to hold a conversation and interact with people gives her more value then just her looks.

    You need to stand out, and because of the nature of the website every single guy is going to send her a msg saying how hot she is. So to stand out you mustn't mention anything about her body/looks in your msg. Instead make it humorous and interesting and show her your not a regular AFC hoping to get lucky

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    Default Re: What do you think of this opener?

    Too long I think, I wouldn't reccomend it. But then again it depends on the girl

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    Default Re: What do you think of this opener?

    I don't like it. Most PUA's will say never tell a girl shes pretty on the opener. You validated her hotness, and now she doesn't need you anymore.

    Also, you called yourself average. Just giving her another reason to blow you off.

    This is why neal always said to neg her at first, not pos her.

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    Default Re: What do you think of this opener?

    I would personally suggest starting from scratch, not trying to demotivate you, i mean its great when someone comes up with an opener. But this one just has to many glitchs.

    But if you are set on this then do what most of the Pua's said, first take out dlv statements, then shorten it, so its not a long, boring, planned out opener.

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