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    Default Openers: Respect Tests. What Do You Think of This PUAs?

    WARNING: this is an experiment. If you aren't interested in every detail move along now!

    So Im gonna be brief considering the rest of this gets kind of lengthy, but I came up with a great idea recently in lieu of a bad break up. It's all based on finding a HB with self-respect.

    It's a game I'm inventing really, to take the pressure and anxiety down and make approaching and closing with HBs something fun and interesting and not so stressful.

    The basis is that all your openers will be a pass/fail respect test and then periodically from there you can use other respect tests to continue to evaluate the girls.


    On to the juicy stuff though.

    Where'd I get the idea?
    A mix of an episode of The League and a strange surreal conversation with a married woman.

    Elaborate please?
    -In the episode of The League Im referring to the character Pete demonstrates a way of evaluating women where he +1 and -1s them to give them a rating. This is similar but you are ONLY evaluating their level of self respect and respect in general. Well get to that soon (why you're only concerned with respect).

    -This married woman I met, I made her cry. She contacted me about some super cocky Craiglists ad I posted thinking maybe there was a chance in hell that a HB10 would come across it. She initiated her first inquiry with a nude pic of herself. I immediately turned her down and told her she had no self-respect as my reasoning. She tried to play it off and I'm one to stick around for an argument so I kept responding to her until eventually she broke down and told me I was right the whole time and she just started crying because I made her realize how little she respected herself and how she just puts up a front for the players out there.

    -That's when I told her my story of why I was looking for a girl who respected herself. Keep in mind, this is a woman of experience, and I had her crying because of the way I worded my email responses calling her out but at the same time being very genuine. If this woman "puts up a front" well that made me realize...TONS of girls are doing this. They PRETEND they respect themselves, but deep down they want to cry because they know they don't.

    So what's the story I told her?

    ***The Respect Story***

    So Im driving a girl back to her place after a break up. She kept mentioning I was too nice but never directly as a reason for there being no "spark". Were going 85 on the freeway and a huge semi wants to get in my lane and I have the option to speed up and let him go behind me or just wait and let him in. So I let him in and my ex alludes to it once again saying "youre too nice idve went in front of him".

    You know what I told her? Nothing. Because Im too nice hahahah. But all I could think was "Did you ever think that im just being protective and not selfish and putting your life in danger in a situation you have no control over?" Thats what I call respect, not being nice. Kindness is a privilege, it's something that's not owed to everyone. Respect though - respect is something everyone deserves a little of, at the bare minimum you should respect that all people exist in this world together and have their own lives. Hence why I let the semi in. Who am I to raise the potential risk of someone's life when I'm in complete and utter control of it? Anyway, you get my point...there's a difference, would you not agree?

    So that's when I knew she wasnt for me anyway...what kind of girl doesnt want to be respected? Answer: the kind that doesnt respect herself in the first place. And ever since Ive been adamant about finding my type of girl, but one that actually has respect for herself.


    So the GOAL: find an HB with respect for herself, weed through the ones putting up a front and find a REAL girl who won't leave you for being too "nice" to her. One who can discern between weak over-kindness and genuine respect. There's no reason a guy should have to disrespect women just to pick them up. That's what I say. But it's quite difficult to pick up and keep HBs when they go by the "nice guys finish last" rule, whether consciously or subconsciously.


    So what's the experiment?
    Easy. Rate girls based on their respect. If they have enough you try to close. If they're average you call them out on it and see what they say (sometimes the best experiences you get and the most confidence gained is when you put yourself up for immediate rejection based on your morals).

    ***The Respect Scale***

    +1 for anything she does that infers self-respect or selfless respect for others.
    -1 for the opposite.

    Respect > 3 Pass Her
    Respect 0-3 Call Her Out
    Respect < 0 Fail Her (up to you if you want to let her know why you suddenly abandoned the pick up, but one thing is for sure...the test is over and you do not by any means accept their excuses - there's a good chance you'll run into a bunch of HBs like the married woman who will realize youve put them in their place and will beg for your friendship and approval, but you must resist. If you're a sneaky pimp you could do this whole thing on the basis of making the ones who fail vulnerable and bang them when they go head over heels for you being so real, but personally im actually looking for this type of girl so that wont be what I do, ever.)

    So that's it...it should be pretty obvious what to do from here. You TEST them.

    Think of all the interesting openers you can make up that judge a girls respect or self-respect in some way. 90% of what you come up with is going to be a fairly interesting question to approach a girl with. She'll feel the test factor of it and be intrigued simultaneously. It really gives them the "ball is in her court" feeling. They like that, that'll get you in the door. Then you just need to flow the convo and throw in more respect tests periodically. Id suggest no less than 10 over the course of a convo unless she completely scores big and it's clear shes going to pass.

    Examples of openers/periodic tests I came up with that are intriguing:

    -Have you ever tipped a worker that doesn't normally get tipped for their job?
    -Have you ever stood up for someone else's right to take the opposing view, even if you didn't agree with it?
    -Have you ever obeyed rules that could easily be broken with no harm done when no one was around to enforce them and it was inconvenient for you to obey?
    -Have you ever gave someone the last word just to end an argument even though the last thing they said upset you the most of all?

    I wouldnt suggest asking these exactly as is but you get the point. Just start with "Have you ever..." and think of something that would call to question their level of respect.

    Also as you can see all these come with potential for stories. You could instead tell them a story of you doing these things and ask them what they think and if theyd do the same. Or you can ask the questions and then ask them to give you an example, maybe bash on them like "I dont believe you, tell me what situation you were thinking of just now that fit that description?"

    I dont know...this is all speculative but you guys get the point. It gives you a goal, makes it more fun and interesting and gives you an easy go-to for intriguing questions to ask when the convo starts to fade just think "have you ever.." And make up the rest. +1 and -1 all you like and stop when you've placed them in a range.

    If they pass surprise them and just say like "well, Im not gonna lie, youve done well, I think we could be good friends, Im not POSITIVE so ill need your number so I can test you more, but honestly youre up to par at the moment, just dont blow it and who knows? We could be best friends for life!"

    If they land average surprise them and say like "so Im questioning how cool you really are, either youve been lying to me or you dont really have much respect for others which is it?" That will surely set them off and theyll want to know why, to which you can reply "its just my radar, its going off, I feel like you dont even have any respect for me right now, im mean you havent even offered to buy me a drink yet.."

    If they fail surprise them and say "hey nice talking, but Im not looking for friends who lack respect. Its a big thing for me right now so no offense but im gonna take off. Enjoy your night." This would be prime especially right after ordering them a drink or something. As soon as they get it you just tell tem youre over it and dip. Sure to get alot of girls riled up. Like I said, this could make the ones with no self respect go wild with desire for you. If youre looking to hook up I suppose the ones that fail are your easy catches. If you are actually interested in the system you simply do NOT give in to these ones.

    This seems to be more of a night game thing the way Ive laid it out but I feel like it could be tweaked for day game too.

    This is like, rough draft, just throwing it out there for anyone looking for new ideas on how to curb aa and make dating and talking to HBs more fun and interesting. Plus the best part is it seems to give you control of the frame the entire time because youre not worried about their tests, you dont have time for them to test you, only time for you to be testing them. Comes off as very alpha.

    Lmk what yall think of all this nonsense. I suspect not a single person will read all of this so if you did..then at least comment saying you did so I can give you props.

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    Default Re: Openers: Respect Tests. What Do You Think of This PUAs?

    what i wanna know first off is why youre set out to piss off the beautiful girls of the world? in all seriousness though, i love the idea for a potential girlfriend searching. if im looking for a ONS tho i wouldnt bother. this is definitely something ill test for myself hopefully soon
    If i get a guy some a$$, he gets it for a day; if i teach him how to get it for himself, he's tappin forever

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    Default Re: Openers: Respect Tests. What Do You Think of This PUAs?

    Youre prolly right. This is going to piss off alot of beautiful women, but only the ones who have no respect for anybody, not even themselves; and honestly...people with no respect dont deserve to be catered to, they need reality checks is what they need.

    But at the same time it should lead you to the beautiful ones that are actually beautiful on the inside too. Theres too many of them out there that put up a front. And theyll go to insane ends to convince themselves its not a facade, and I feel bad for genuine guys who can pick up HBs and think they found gf material and then get hurt later because these girls faked them out THAT hard.

    Heres kind of why I came up with this though:

    In talking to the married woman (now my friend/wingwoman. Did I forget to mention I made her cry twice over - tears of joy the second time - and number closed her after that on the premise we would be the new bonnie & clyde, us against the world, her helping me to find my girl, me helping her to keep what self respect she has left and build upon it)

    Anyway in talking to her she made me realize something when she said that I "opened her eyes" and possibly changed her life forever.

    What I realized is those times when you have such revelations- they DO change you, but only briefly...if you want to be changed forever you need your eyes open forever.

    I have changed recently since realizing that I need to be way more alpha and cocky to get the type of girl I want. I needed to be more ballsy, and I am currently but im doomed to retreat to being a nice guy (or a respectful one rather) so I need a girl whos not going to leave me when that goes down. I have a window right now during my changed state where I can pick up by girl I want I feel like, but one I settle on one the nice guy is going to come rushing back, and ill need a girl who can talk level headed and who can respect that I am who I am.

    Girls with no respect for themselves or anyone else are going to break my heart again and again. But girls with true respect will fall in love for real and it will be something real, and if it doesnt work out it will be for real reasons, not just because one day they decided to stop putting up the front that they had respect.

    Thanks for reading btw, I think this is best just to generate ideas off of for your own game, if you do try it more along the guidelines ive laid out please do tell me your experience. Ill be starting this ASAP so ill report back accordingly as I approach different women.

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    Default Re: Openers: Respect Tests. What Do You Think of This PUAs?

    for my experience... i have not been able to spot if a woman is headcase or not.

    i've had women sell me the moon and stars... the bold ones will ask try things on their side while i have a gf.!

    ... but then - we date and they slowly turn psycho/strict/anal on me... they were so nice - agreeable - and innocent.... then they change a become needy/jealois blah blah.

    this is not say ALL women... but, OMG, i feel like i can't trust what a woman sells anymore... i'm waiting for sh*t to fly soon as i step to their door and open it.

    *sigh*..... wish i can meet more sane women.

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    Default Re: Openers: Respect Tests. What Do You Think of This PUAs?

    Lol yoki Im right there with you buddy. I really hope being friends with this new woman will help me find one. After all, she was/is one of the insane ones and has agreed to help try to point out the ones like herself that would be bad news. Who better to call em like they see em but one of themselves. Its perfect!

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    Default Re: Openers: Respect Tests. What Do You Think of This PUAs?

    i think that this is good, but not as a way to measure woman. instead the point that should be made is that calling woman out on their sh*t is extreme alpha.

    can you give some more examples of your "respect tests" ??

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    Default Re: Openers: Respect Tests. What Do You Think of This PUAs?

    Quote Originally Posted by meteora View Post
    i think that this is good, but not as a way to measure woman. instead the point that should be made is that calling woman out on their sh*t is extreme alpha.

    can you give some more examples of your "respect tests" ??
    Heres some more i had thought of some are self respect tests others general respect:

    -Have you ever worn clothes shorter or smaller than you're comfortable wearing normally just to garner extra attention? Or do you just dress this sexy all the time?

    -Have you ever turned down a drink because you were too drunk? Or do you just take it anyway knowing you were probably going to throw up regardless?

    -Have you ever gave someone the last word just to end an argument even though the last thing they said upset you the most of all?

    -Have you ever done a random act of kindness? Like buying an extra cup of starbucks and giving it to someone outside on your way to your car?

    -Have you ever thanked a man in uniform for doing what he does?

    -How many times a day do you think you say "thank you"?

    -Have you ever brought in lunch or treats for your coworkers just because?

    -Have you ever turned down a gift because you thought the other person was being too generous?


    Those are just a few more. What do you think?

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    Default Re: Openers: Respect Tests. What Do You Think of This PUAs?

    Oh and meteora i kind of agree. Maybe its not the best way to evaluate women for gf material, but its definitely a decent way to display you are all out alpha.

    I think the great part too is once you reveal youve been testing their "respect" or even before they realize at some point that you are not only alpha but you know what you want and you demand respect in all your relationships, whether it be friends acquaintances family or girlfriends and even strangers. If youre demanding respect that should signal to then that you yourself are respectful, and I feel like thats a big thing with alot of HBs is that they break up either a) because tthe bf was TOO nice (too beta rather) or b) because the bf was disrespectful.

    This tactic seems to waive both A & B. Youve displayed you arent too beta. Youve also displayed you arent disrespectful. Boom and boom? Am I rite?

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    Default Re: Openers: Respect Tests. What Do You Think of This PUAs?

    yes it could show her that you are respectful and demand respect (dhv) but i just think this would work well on the really hot ones. calling them out on the skimpy clothing is a great way to show that you aren't impressed by her looks.
    btw thanks for the examples

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    Default Re: Openers: Respect Tests. What Do You Think of This PUAs?

    Quote Originally Posted by meteora View Post
    yes it could show her that you are respectful and demand respect (dhv) but i just think this would work well on the really hot ones. calling them out on the skimpy clothing is a great way to show that you aren't impressed by her looks.
    btw thanks for the examples
    Those are the ones I want. Im trying to get some pics with the hottest bitches around so I can make my ex jealous, like damn, he put up with me being skinny then fat then average then fat again and now average, and this is what he couldve been getting all along...clearly hes more alpha than I thought.


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