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    Hi Im Fl3my im a newbie, ive been reading the gave some of Vin Dicarlo's stuff and a few more. I have a problem with friend of mine im intrested and im pretty sure she is too, but i dont know how to go for the kiss i read some guides but i guess im not doing something right.
    she massaged me a few times and gave her some massages today i think i outdone myself she started making some noises and did't mind i put my hand on her bare back or face.
    Im really clueless since my last real encounter was when i was a few years ago.
    I am waiting for your response

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    I wouldn't pursue her dawg - for three reasons: (1) Chick-mind, (2) Inn-game, (3) Personal experience.

    Chick-mind - the way chicks think is that right now if she's comfortable being toppless and having Kino with you then comfort is waaay high and she doesn't see you in a romantic light. This one chick friend of mine changed clothes in front of me when we first started hanging out but only after making clear "you should step out for a second unless things are going to stay platonic with us" I stayed because I figured playing dressup with her would be better than having sex with her lol. Girls are wierd about needing comfort-but-not-too-much-comfort to get into bed with a guy. You mentioned that she made a moan-like noise or something - that isn't necessarily attraction and is most likely her expressing sensual (not sexual) pleasure.

    Inner-game - when starting out in PU a lot of guys (myself included when I was) will think like "great! I have game and now finally have a shot with my friends!" But that's an example of a mating-poverty Mindset = (the idea that the only girls available to game, or your most viable targets, are girls within your social circle in close social proximity to you. As your skills develop and you're able to just pull a random girl from a crowd your innergame will be stronger, and with an abundance mimdset you won't feel the sense of urgency to close your friends.

    Personal experience - really I'm kinda just throwing this in because its an awesome sounding story... so I'm on a train in China and my chick friend and I are exchamging foot massages, then Im massaging her hands, everyone else is asleep and after about an hoir or so her head is in my lap and she's making some real pretty noises, she tells me to stroke her hair and I'm like "giggity, it's kiss time!" She stops me and flips out - "we're friends blah blah blah" so the next day ended up being really awkward until we all got drunk at the Imperial Necropolis.
    ...point is, it usually get weird when a guy tries to kiss a high-comfort friend.

    I'm gonna channel Cody now and re-iterate that the friendzone is a great place to be because it is a choice (that "great place" buisiness is mine, his thing about the choice is this little fable): if you're at lunch with a girl and you say "hey can I have some of your soda?" And she says "no, but you can have my chips" it is your choice whether you accept the chips or if you leave the table because you already have all the chips you needs and are thirsty for some soda. (Same thing when chips = friendship and soda = sex) And I say it's a great place because when two people both want friendship from eaxh other they place each other in thier "friendzones" they both accept, and the relationship blossoms from there just as magnificently as when two people want sex from each other.

    That ^ all being said, I won't leave you hanging. Tyrone has a great post about getting out of the friemdzone. I'm on my phone now, but Ill post a link when Im at a computer - or you can find it by searching "triangles" in the forums search box and select "Tyrone1991" in the user box
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    Default Re: Kiss Close with a friend

    Thank you for your info.
    i have an update on what i was telling,well i think shes using me for helping her with her homework from college and i think im playing a weird roll because she treats me like were a couple sometimes, she wants me to go shopping with her and sometimes she crosses our arms so i could walk her.
    any way today we had the massage thing again only it was lying on the bad. I tried some foot massages and got pretty close to her crouch while her legs are on my legs. and when she massaged me i could feel her crouch grinding against my bottom while she did my back. I know she has some other guys on the side and iv'e made so she thinks i have a few options myself(not sure if this was a total lie)and well we see each other almost every day. the thing is that i want to kiss her and im not sure if to go for it and im not sure how much am i gaining from this relationship even though i do like talking to her and she did help me enlarge my social circle by meeting her friends. By the way her roommates and neighbors think of us as sort of a couple and asked if we were going to kiss on new years eve(as you know from the post we didnt)
    for a conclusion I think im lost.

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    Default Re: Kiss Close with a friend

    If you're unsure and too shy to go directly, but could pull this off, maybe it's a good option:

    "Would you like to kiss me?"

    No: "I didn't say you could, you just looked like you had something on your mind" <cheeky smile>
    Maybe: "Let's find out" (Try and at least appear seductive :P)
    Yes: Need I explain?

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    Default Re: Kiss Close with a friend

    always had troble kiss closing.. cheers!!

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    Default Re: Kiss Close with a friend

    I am starting to get tired of this, we hug and cuddle and massage each other,Is their an option she likes my physical content but doesn't want any more than that, and today i have to say she affected me badly she got me talking about a friend of mine that well is in a bad state, and i lost my good mood and she tried consolidating me by hugging me and she didnt want me to leave but i felt there is no point being miserable in front of her. by the way when i huged her from behind she got nervous because i touched her breasts lightly(this wasn't planned by the way).
    i need to get more courageous about it i know that but i feel like i just cant go further on the escalation, any tips to raise the sexual Tension in that scenario i am really not sure how?.

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    Default Re: Kiss Close with a friend

    If you want to know how she feels, ask her this:

    You: If i wanted to know 3 of your best qualities what would they be?

    Her: *gives answer*

    She will give these types:

    Logical: Smart, independent, social, etc.
    Emotional: funny, nice, caring, loving, etc.
    Sexual: Pretty, Cute, Big boobs, nice ass, etc.

    Now the types will tell you what she thinks of you:
    Emo, emo, logic= friend zone
    Logic, logic, emo = friend zone
    Sexual, logic, emo = She thinks of you as being a good monogamous partner and you should pursue.
    Sexual, sexual, w/e = Escalate now! Lol.

    I have a tutorial on this... but you know... fuck me, right? Lol jk
    Caveat: Just because I feel a certain way about my journey doesn't mean you should feel the same about yours.

    If you can't say that you would rather die than not do it; you don't want it bad enough.

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    Default Re: Kiss Close with a friend

    I'm goint to try that but first, another update since I forgot to mention it, this girl has some issues from the past alot i wont go into much detail but the main is , she said she never had butterflies in her stomach for wanting somebody, and after that said she didnt really love any body. and I know this girl had several serious boyfriends.
    after that and some cuddling and massaging she didnt want me to leave but i couldn't handle it

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    Damn failed kiss close, I met her this morning and we went for a walk in the rain she didnt want to at start but i was so excited so she went along.
    as we walked she gave me the umbrella and crossed our arms together.
    we were taling and she was worried about what she was going to do after college is over and talking about other girls she admired, she wanted to have confidence and to be smarter and more intelligent like some other girls.
    so i decided to try what you suggested to make her list three things she likes about herself ,
    and she said : im pretty i think thats it.
    Me: cooperate with me here you must have some other things you like about yourself
    Friend:im cute im pretty and im cute and thats it
    Me you definitely have one more thing you like about yourself
    Friend: well Im loyal not that is a good thing i've beeen loyal to all my boyfriends.
    Me: thats a good thing
    i put my hand on hers as we crossed arms. i wasnt sure how to go for a kiss because her head was looking forward.
    Friend: yea really great im even loyal to cigarettes
    Me: it sounds more like your addicted to cigarettes
    Friend: addicted loyal its all the same.
    the rain stoped we alked beside each other.
    we continued walking and talked about some other stuff,
    she said she has an intuition or some kind of a vision of me becoming a great and successful writer (i read a lot but i dont write) and then i tried to get in that vision and said she could organize my fan club she said sure with no enthusiasm.
    we continued talkig about some other subjects (she really like talking about dreams and finding their meaning)
    she went again about how unsure of herself she is and that all she has to offer is being pretty and cute and isaid i agree you really are cute, she liked it smiled and giggled.
    i went quit and she started talking about what she has to do for school and that she wanted my help.


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