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    Default Where do I go after the opener?

    Hi guys, my question in pretty much what the title question asks.

    I have got my openers down, I have learnt to seem interested in knowing the answer to the question rather than just talking to the girl.

    My problem is when we are speaking and the interest in the opener starts to fade, and the conversation isn't going anywhere what do I do next.

    If I cant find any hook points, I can start to struggle and lose rapport. Are there any conversation points or pointers, or any links you can point me towards to keep the conversation flowing?

    Live long and prosper.

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    Default Re: Where do I go after the opener?

    You gotta graduate from indirect bro.

    Look up indirect direct or direct openers

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    Default Re: Where do I go after the opener?

    I run a lot of indirect game, tho Cody and Virgil are starting to convince me to drink the direct koolade and convert Here's how it tends to break down with losing interest/not hooking.

    Indirect

    You have their attention for an instant (about 3 seconds) when you first appear. This is how long it takes to say your opener. "Hey, [comment/or/question]"

    *now body rock away as if you're going to leave* - this confuses them and makes them think "wait, what?" *body rock in* and explain

    Now you have their attention for a moment (about 15 seconds) to explain your opener. "My buddy and I were just talking... / you seem like you'd know... / We need a woman's opinion on this... - repeat the opener."

    *now body rock out before she can answer - body rock in to see what she has to say*

    Once she responds to the opener, you will now have her attention for a minute (60 - 90 seconds) to engage her response to your opener. And in this time you can agree or disagree with her, tell a quick little annecdote about why you agree or disagree, neg her for her response, push-pull her for her response, ask what her friend thinks, follow up on multi-threads from your explanatory annecdote (who you were with, where you were, what you were doing), drop a few more details relevant to the opener topic, or just generally play with it. Now is also a good time to start running casual kino. Also throw in a light FTC "gotta get back to my friends" at the beginning.

    *now body rock out just before all the conversation relevant to the opener has been exhausted* *body rock in with a new topic*

    After talking for a minute, you can now comfortably stay for a few minutes (2-15 minutes) following with a new topic of something she mentioned about herself. If there is nothing to go with, you can fall back on a situational comment (you can always find something in the room to be cocky/funny about) the last resort option is to fall back on "so where are you all from?" or "how do you all know each other?" or "what brings you to the amazing town of..."
    And you just talk for a bit until just before you've run out of things to say. Then you leave, citing your FTC.

    When you re-open the set (after a few more minutes) you can just join like normal. Then you come back to re-open with maybe "hey my friend said exactly the same thing you did!" or "So my friend totally disagrees with you!" or just anything - tho in my game the re-open is the point where I like to start running more direct.

    After a few re-opens you can usually either invite them to join your group for a bounce or they will invite you along for a bounce if you've dhv'd enough through conversation.

    So, to summarize Direct Game:
    An Instant - 3 seconds - open
    *body rock*
    A Moment - 15 seconds - explain opener
    *body rock*
    A Minute - 60 - 90 seconds - respond to her response
    *body rock*
    A Few Minutes - 2 - 15 minutes - getting-to-know-you fluff
    *take away*
    *return*
    *return*
    *return*
    ...
    *bounce*
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    Default Re: Where do I go after the opener?

    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    Hi guys, my question in pretty much what the title question asks.

    I have got my openers down, I have learnt to seem interested in knowing the answer to the question rather than just talking to the girl.

    My problem is when we are speaking and the interest in the opener starts to fade, and the conversation isn't going anywhere what do I do next.

    If I cant find any hook points, I can start to struggle and lose rapport. Are there any conversation points or pointers, or any links you can point me towards to keep the conversation flowing?

    Live long and prosper.

    Ceej (Changing name from Major until I am lol )
    Bro, then you must transition. it's better if you transition into someting personal. My goal is to meet a woman and have her wanting to eff my brains out in 30 to 60 minutes. I suggest moving quickly into personal topics about her.

    the cube has been clutch for many years. Interesting thought provoking questions, fun games, all mixed with a shot of Kino and you'll be on the right path.

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    Default Re: Where do I go after the opener?

    Quote Originally Posted by Autismus View Post
    I run a lot of indirect game, tho Cody and Virgil are starting to convince me to drink the direct koolade and convert Here's how it tends to break down with losing interest/not hooking.

    Indirect

    You have their attention for an instant (about 3 seconds) when you first appear. This is how long it takes to say your opener. "Hey, [comment/or/question]"

    *now body rock away as if you're going to leave* - this confuses them and makes them think "wait, what?" *body rock in* and explain

    Now you have their attention for a moment (about 15 seconds) to explain your opener. "My buddy and I were just talking... / you seem like you'd know... / We need a woman's opinion on this... - repeat the opener."

    *now body rock out before she can answer - body rock in to see what she has to say*

    Once she responds to the opener, you will now have her attention for a minute (60 - 90 seconds) to engage her response to your opener. And in this time you can agree or disagree with her, tell a quick little annecdote about why you agree or disagree, neg her for her response, push-pull her for her response, ask what her friend thinks, follow up on multi-threads from your explanatory annecdote (who you were with, where you were, what you were doing), drop a few more details relevant to the opener topic, or just generally play with it. Now is also a good time to start running casual kino. Also throw in a light FTC "gotta get back to my friends" at the beginning.

    *now body rock out just before all the conversation relevant to the opener has been exhausted* *body rock in with a new topic*

    After talking for a minute, you can now comfortably stay for a few minutes (2-15 minutes) following with a new topic of something she mentioned about herself. If there is nothing to go with, you can fall back on a situational comment (you can always find something in the room to be cocky/funny about) the last resort option is to fall back on "so where are you all from?" or "how do you all know each other?" or "what brings you to the amazing town of..."
    And you just talk for a bit until just before you've run out of things to say. Then you leave, citing your FTC.

    When you re-open the set (after a few more minutes) you can just join like normal. Then you come back to re-open with maybe "hey my friend said exactly the same thing you did!" or "So my friend totally disagrees with you!" or just anything - tho in my game the re-open is the point where I like to start running more direct.

    After a few re-opens you can usually either invite them to join your group for a bounce or they will invite you along for a bounce if you've dhv'd enough through conversation.

    So, to summarize Direct Game:
    An Instant - 3 seconds - open
    *body rock*
    A Moment - 15 seconds - explain opener
    *body rock*
    A Minute - 60 - 90 seconds - respond to her response
    *body rock*
    A Few Minutes - 2 - 15 minutes - getting-to-know-you fluff
    *take away*
    *return*
    *return*
    *return*
    ...
    *bounce*
    Man, that's a lot of work. I would seriously suggest a strategy change. Let her opt you in to the conversation. If she does something that strongly indicates that you should not move on, it will completely eliminate the need for false time constraints and leaving and returning multiple times. Instead of bouncing you could be seducing, ijs.

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    Default Re: Where do I go after the opener?

    Quote Originally Posted by Suave Kino View Post
    Man, that's a lot of work. I would seriously suggest a strategy change. Let her opt you in to the conversation. If she does something that strongly indicates that you should not move on, it will completely eliminate the need for false time constraints and leaving and returning multiple times. Instead of bouncing you could be seducing, ijs.
    Yeah I thought he was talking about those occasional sets that are resistant to being opened. This is my sailing-against-wind method for turning a sour chick into a hooked set. But yeah it is a bit excessive lol
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