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Thread: My first openers - And my success with them

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    Default My first openers - And my success with them

    Hi Folkes.

    I'm new to this game since my housemate handed me The Game about three weeks ago, Already have The Rules of the game (great list of routines in the back) and have followed a lot of Style and Mystery's stuff on youtube. So I started using some of what I had learned over the last week, With some success. No closes yet, But I wanted to work on opening. Well, To my surprise, The openers worked too well, I literally was too shocked to do anything else, and didn't know how to progress the interaction.

    Having said that, here are the two openers I was using.

    -The Kashmere Sweatter -

    I wanted to use this one because of christmas having just passed, it left a lot of room to bounce other conversations off of it. FOr those of you that don't know the opener, here it is.

    Me - Hey guys, I Need a female perspective on something. I can't stop long 'cos my friends are waiting for me at the bar, But I was wondering if you'd give me a bit of advice?
    Set - Yeah ok, what's up?
    me - A friend of mine just text me, he's kind of panicking. He's been with this girl for about six months, And it's her birthday at the end of the month. he wants to buy her a kashmere sweatter, But he doesn't know what size she is. He can't ask her otherwise she'll see he's buying her clothes and he wants to keep it a surprise. So, he went looking through her clothes, as creepy as that is, For sizes. But her clothes are like medium and small, And he doesn't know which would be better. Would you rather recieve something a little too big or a little too small?

    ---- And that's it. I say that's it, The question is usually followed by a mass of debate among the girls. I even once had an AMOG arrive and was like "Who dafuq is this?" and could see the girls were trying to difuse him, so I guessed he was a bit protective of guys approaching them, So I turned to him and said:

    Me - Hi, My name's *****, Perhaps you could help, I'm guessing one of these girls is with you, *explained the questiion again to bring him up to speed while the girls were still debating, throwing a little neg to the girls here and there*
    AMOG - yeah this girls mine. I'd get her the bigger one 'cos she's a bit large y'know. *laugh at his own joke - no joke, he actually said that*

    So, I was able to draw him into the debate too. This is a nice opener at the moment because if they say it's a good or bad present, you can bounce it into what they got for christmas etc... And some of the conversations I had because of this were pretty surprising. SO, I like this opener. Also, I elarned that girls are really bitchy. One time as soon as I said "this guy's been with this girl for about six months" one girl just said "dump her" and I was able to neg her and kind of shut her out, She was the target and it wotked beautifully. An all round good opener from my limited experience.

    --My second opener, I love this for mixed groups.

    Me - Hey guys, I got to be quick because my friends are waiting for me, But I wonder if you could help me settle something? The reason I'm asking is 'cos me and some friends were having a debate and we need to get an answer, it's driving us nuts.
    Group - Hey, what's up?
    Me - Ok, Basically, we were debating on who is more observant, Boys or girls?
    Group - *erupts into heated debate* eventually answer.
    Me - Ok, that's interesting. Are you willing to test that?
    Group - *intrigued and slightly sucked in* Hell yeah, of course we are.
    Me - *Points to a guy* What's your name?
    Guy - My name's *****
    Me - *points to a girl* What's your name?
    Girl - my name's *****
    (I didn't introduce myself because I wanted to be asked as an ioi)
    Me - Ok, **** and ****, Both of you stand up. *they stand* and now close your eyes (I click my fingers as I say this, for some reason people seem to respond better to commands that are partnered with this.) Now, **** you're gonna go first, both of you keep your eyes closed... *proceed to ask each member of the game questions about their friend's apppearence. DOn't make the game too long, just a few questions to get them in fired up competative mode. This is great to get fuel for negging, and one of the groups the only guy in the set begged me to stay with them as the girls were a little too much for him to handle on his own.*

    SO, there are the two openers I have taken on to start my own PUA journey. I like them and I'm going to stick with them for a while, Having started to get used to where the conversation goes from there. What do you guys think? Have any of you ever used these openers? and did you get the success I did? And of course, I must thank Style for these openers, They are directly from his material and I take no credit for thiking them up.

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    Default Re: My first openers - And my success with them

    I really like the second one as it involves a bloke from the beginning and wouldn't at all be perceived as a way to sneak in an start picking up. Plus, it'll be sure to crack a few laughs within in the group which I'd imagine is a plus for the PUA

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    Default Re: My first openers - And my success with them

    Yeah it really did get everyone laughing and generally entertained. I like what Style said about acting as though you were the club manager and it's your job to entertain everyone, It's a good way of looking at approaching sets.

    With that in mind, This opener is a beaut. And on one set I noticed a tattoo on the leg of the girl, So I asked the guy what color it was, and everyone was so tense in this moment of stunned silence while they waited to see if he got it right or not, they were good friends and I kind of played it a bit and put some pressure on. And once I was done doing that, They were almost expectant for me to pull something else out to entertain them, which is always good.

    I have an idea that I like to follow up on the Observation test, It's to follow up with the 5 questions game. So, if the girl wins the competition say something like- "Ok, so you seem pretty clever, But I bet you just got lucky (cocky funny)" and challenge her to the five questions game. Then when she loses the 5 questions game, throw in something like "Well, I had to get some points back for the guys, eh?" Again, Like cockey funny. And If the guy wins then just pitch the game to her as an opportunity to make up for her losing. You could even place a bet on it, Like a round of drinks, or a hug or a kiss, Knowing you're going to win.

    If you do this with the target, it's great for almost like a massive flirtatious neg, As you're setting her up to fail from the beginning. And once you've got all your little negs out when she loses, you could almost make it up to her by showing her something cool, Or if you can Isolate and start to connect with her from there, it's a nice dynamic.

    Incase you don't know it, The 5 Questions game!-

    Me - I'm going to ask you 5 questions and all you have to do is answer each one incorrectly. There are no trick questions with no wrong answer, all you have to do to win is get five questions wrong.

    Her - Ok.

    Me - And make your answers as surreal as possible, so I know they're wrong, fair?

    Her - sounds fair

    Me - What's your name?

    Her - fred (some girls will even fall at this hurdle.)

    Me - what city are we in?

    Her - Atlantis

    Me - what's the name of this bar?

    Her - haribo

    Me - Ok, So... (Act lost or confused) wait, how many questions is that so far? (if she answers correctly she has lost)

    Her - 17

    Me - (act impressed) Wow, you got me, Have you played this game before?

    Her - No.

    Me - Ah hah, I got you, I win.

    Tell her how to do it and what questions to ask after, it'll help strengthen the rapport I think.

    (Again, This is lifted directly from Style's material. I take no credit for it's creation, But I am very thankful to him for making his material so readily available for everyone to use while they find their feet in PUA.)

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    Default Re: My first openers - And my success with them

    I pretty much abuse the five question game on a daily basis. So many free drinks.

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    Default Re: My first openers - And my success with them

    Love the 5 queston game! Won 5$ from an HB the other day

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    Default Re: My first openers - And my success with them

    Lol guys, you made me chuckle. I like your thinking.

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    Default Re: My first openers - And my success with them

    The other nice thing about using the 5 questions after the observation test is that if you make her bet you a drink, it gives you a reason to Isolate her after the 5 questions.

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    Default Re: My first openers - And my success with them

    I hadn't considered that, But I like it. Next time I go sarging Im definitely gonna try that whole setup together. It's pretty quick though from the opener to the isolating her, Do you think that would have a negative effect or be ok?

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    Default Re: My first openers - And my success with them

    I'd play out the initial question a bit longer if you're trying to Isolate her. So let the group discuss the issue a bit longer and keep them talking about it. Then when you go to implement the observation test, act as if it will finish the debate once and for all. Go in with something like,

    "I just thought of a way to solve this conundrum. **** and **** stand up....."

    Make sure that the girl you ask to stand up is the target and after the game transition to the 5 questions. By now you've built some rapport with the group. After the 5 questions you can decide whether or not there is enough rapport with the target to isolate her effectively, but what's nice about this is that you are still in control. If there isn't enough rapport just move the conversation on after the five questions, talking about how she failed to "observe" the questions and she let her ego get the better of her.

    Once you feel like you have established sufficient rapport, remind her that she owes you a drink and then isolate her that way.

    Another twist on this game would be to not use the target during the observation game, but when the observation game is finished move to the five question game with the target. How I'd approach this is if the female wins in the observation game, then move along like it was just a coincidence and that the next female you move to (the target) will show that. If the female loses, then you play it like the girl in the observation game was hopeless and that the target is the last chance for females to redeem themselves (obviously she'll lose the 5 question game and it will be a huge neg).

    The nice thing about the second version of this game is that it allows you to involve more of the group in the game which will prevent people from feeling left out. It gives you greater control over the group.

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    Default Re: My first openers - And my success with them

    Duke, I think you may have just solved my issue of where to go next after the opener. I learned a load of openers to try and get that down, one step at a time, intending to learn where to go next, But I was struggling with getting a grasp with transitioning into isolating her.

    I shall give it a go your way to see what happens, I'm thinking it will go well... I hope.

    Thank you.


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