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    Default Need feedback on conversation please

    This is referring to my last post about this girl in my final design project for my engineering program. To summarize, I am project leader (alpha), today I convinced everybody my design for our project is the best choice (alpha again), and I am overall trying to display as many alpha traits as possible while in this group.

    This girl is essentially a "one of the guys" type of girl, she has a lot of guy friends, knows she's hot and has a lot of guys talking to her and trying to hit on her. She has shutdown a lot of guys from our program( i know this because there's only 100 students in our program and we generally stay together and are in the same classes) and this is the first time that me and her are in the same class/group together.

    I would like some tips on how to game this type of girl, she's also a "gamer chick".
    I isolated her today and asked her to come to get coffee with me in between classes and I made her laugh a lot. She was falling asleep so I playfully poked her to wake her up. Overall I kept it playful and fun but I would like to escalate so I don't fall in the friend zone.

    Can you tell me how i did in this conversation? Thanks!

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    Default Re: Need feedback on conversation please

    Looks decent. I'd add more sexuality, like tease her with a double entendre or tell her a classmate asked about her and you told him she'd love to go skinny dipping with him as long as there's champaign or whatever, sexualize a moment when you can.
    Also get more uniqueness (inside jokes) going on.
    Don't reach for too much of a meet up.

    A few questions:
    When's the next time you'll see her incidentally?
    Are you trying to go indirect, like friendzone her to get her chasing then catch her? Or are you trying to dhv then run direct once she's qualified?
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    Default Re: Need feedback on conversation please

    Thx for sharing. You did a mighty fine job with the alpha frame. To escalate, as Aut said, start slipping in the sexy stuff in your tease. There were couple spots I've seen where you could've injected it.

    HER: "Did you work out?"
    YOU: "Whew. Yea just got off of the porn set. The girl kept messing up her take"
    HER: ???
    YOU: "Oh I forgot to tell you my other job. But since you now know, you must keep it a secret."

    That might've steered the conversation differently. She might start thinking "Ohhhh, there's a side to this guy I wanna pick."

    Another spot.

    HER: "Ahah, I have the tiniest desk fvck..."
    YOU: "Wait. Did you just say you have the tiniest fvck desk? You need to get a bigger fvck desk. No wonder you bored."

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    Default Re: Need feedback on conversation please

    She's in my final design group so for now I see her 4 hours on tuesdays and 2 hours on wednesdays with two other guys that are in my group. She asked me to explain something to her after class tomorrow so I'll hang out with her too. I ran the cube on her as a dhv and disqualified myself by telling her she's not my type and I'm friendzoning her as a joke.

    I'm trying to be careful and not come off as every other guy that hits on her non stop in our program and she has a ton of guy friends that do that too. I don't know how to establish connections just between the two of us, like you said inside jokes and stuff like that.

    Any tips on how to move from here? and how do I escalate kino or sexualize things while we're at school? You said don't push for a meet up but school is the only place I see her and can Isolate her by getting her to come for a walk with me to get coffee.

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    Default Re: Need feedback on conversation please

    Escalation is where lots of guys get stuck. It's the border between comfort and seduction. To me, it's the proving grounds for confidence.

    There's a guide here somewhere on the forum I don't have the direct link to.

    For conversation, Jon Sinn's seduction roadmap is a good guide for escalation via verbal. Do a search on it. It's a free report using the principle of "Consistency and Commitment." This is if you want to bed her. Just do a google search on it.

    Your problem sounds like you are worried about being like every other guy who is trying to hit on her. I was like that too. But the truth is alot of these guys are going about it wrong. It's good that you are being different by showing disinterest and disqualifying her. That's being alpha. But at some point you will need to reveal your intentions. You got alot of push going on atm and you need to pull now. If that girl is a player, chances are she will Sh1t Test you to see just how alpha you are and you need to be ready.

    As for Kino, if this is a completely new territory for you. Just start off with simple compliance tests. It's very important for her to get use to your touch and for you to touch her and show that you can keep your frame. This is stuff I do.

    - If she says something cool and in agreement with you, give her a "high five"
    - The cold hands trick: If you are walking side by side and it's cold outside, grab her hand and say "Damn my hands are cold," If her hand are warm, joke, "Wow, you're hands are warm. I'm staying." Leave it there. OR if you are not walking and it's not cold, I would insert a conversation, "My uncle says that I might have iron deficiency because my hands are cold all the time. Are my hands cold?" Touch hers.
    - If you are telling her something personal or a joke, just lean in, whisper it into her ear. Touch her lightly on the forearm (if she is sleeveless). This is an intimate act that will give her goosebumps if done correctly. Sometimes when I do this, a trick I use, if she says something, even though I heard her, I would pretend I didn't catch all of it, lean in, gently place a hand on the back of her shoulder and ask her to repeat it.
    - If you do a cold read, lean in, touch her hand, look into her eyes.
    - Eye contact - ultra important - in Nick Spark's big three - if you can't establish eye contact with a girl, no matter what do, 99% of the time, she will not be attracted to you. Eye contact is a powerful tool because you can convey feelings. Women are like social antennaes, if you have weak eye contact, they can pick up on it.

    When the conversation is real, so is the effect with your physical touches. The trick is to keep your touches brief. The idea is to make her miss your touches. This is what sexual tension is all about.

    Where guys fvck up is they fail to establish comfort before they do this. The result is they creep the girl out and she says "Damn that guy is touchy." In truth, it's there way of saying "he went about it all wrong." If you ease it in, you gold.

    As for verbal escalation, start practicing and honing your wit with your text first. Don't be so alpha that you are so serious. Don't be apologetic in anything you write. You saw some examples I gave you. Because if you cannot pull it off in text, you won't be able to think on the fly in the moment in person.

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    Default Re: Need feedback on conversation please

    Quote Originally Posted by I.M.Mortal View Post
    HER: "Did you work out?"
    YOU: "Whew. Yea just got off of the porn set. The girl kept messing up her take"
    HER: ???
    YOU: "Oh I forgot to tell you my other job. But since you now know, you must keep it a secret."
    Oh sh1t that's good! LOL I'm gonna use this.

    For making it sexual, one-liners work great:

    HB: *walking away* "are you comming?"
    PUA: *cheeky smile* "gimme a minute baby, I'm almost there."

    HB: "No, that doesn't go in there"
    PUA: "don't worry, I'll make it feel good"

    HB: "can you do it quickly?"
    PUA: "Only way I know how."

    Or just start telling "my pen1s is so small..." jokes in a really confident voice. Also the classic "That's what SHE said" can work.

    Oh and you'll also probably be able to say "I love it when you talk nerdy to me baby" to her since she's a gamer.

    To make an inside joke, invent a fiction about you, her, or someone else in your mutual environment, then just keep referencing the more comical details of the fiction. (Small pen1s jokes are one such fiction; as would be joking that the awkward kid in the class is probably a huge ladies man in secret - styff like that)
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    Default Re: Need feedback on conversation please

    Quote Originally Posted by I.M.Mortal View Post
    at some point you will need to reveal your intentions. You got alot of push going on atm and you need to pull now. If that girl is a player, chances are she will Sh1t Test you to see just how alpha you are and you need to be ready.
    How do I pull her in while at school? I want to be subtle about it but still make sure she gets the hint. Xavier said I came off like I tried a bit too hard to get her to come to uni, so I haven't asked her to hang out outside of school and I think I want to build more attraction before I full out ask her out on a date.

    I doubt that she's a player but she DOES get a lot of attention from guys constantly so I'm trying not to be just like every other AFC she friendzones.

    Quote Originally Posted by I.M.Mortal View Post
    - If you do a cold read, lean in, touch her hand, look into her eyes.
    - Eye contact - ultra important - in Nick Spark's big three - if you can't establish eye contact with a girl, no matter what do, 99% of the time, she will not be attracted to you. Eye contact is a powerful tool because you can convey feelings. Women are like social antennaes, if you have weak eye contact, they can pick up on it.
    How much eye contact is enough, I don't want to seem like a creep haha

    Also when is it acceptable for me to text her first? I want to get to the point where she initiates conversation with me first but I also don't want to be texting her first all the time and coming off as needy

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    Default Re: Need feedback on conversation please

    How much eye contact is enough, I don't want to seem like a creep haha

    Also when is it acceptable for me to text her first? I want to get to the point where she initiates conversation with me first but I also don't want to be texting her first all the time and coming off as needy.
    Here are the big threes in order of importance.
    #1. Eye contact - According to Nick Sparks, this will take practice. How will you know you done it right or it was enough? Two things will happen. 1) You get a intense feeling that lingers. If you felt that feeling, the other person felt that feeling too (A Good thing!) OR 2) A feeling of awkwardness. It means she was avoiding it, she has a boyfriend, wasn't attracted to you, or just got dumped. It will feel awkward for natural reasons. So if you break, you fail. Meaning if you can't stand up to those feelings and ride it out, she will pick it up as weak and your alpha is just an act. So eye contact is super important. You heard of men/women just seducing with their eyes. Well this is a big part of it.

    I believe that if the eyes are "the windows to the soul," then an unwaving eye contact is a true measure of your level of confidence. You cannot fake this.

    On the same token, this is not a staring contest.

    Moments I establish solid eye contact:

    - When she is talking to me (going off on something), I listen, and establish eye contact. In my mind, I'm saying to her "I want you" repeatingly. This works wonders and they will pick it up.
    - in the instance you run out of out of things to say and you experience that silence. Just look at her, establish solid eye contact and smile. Powerful moment.
    - If you both establish eye contact, don't be the first to look away. Linger for a moment in case she glances back.

    As for creepiness, the next part addresses that.

    #2. Having an emotional response on your face. Smile, widened eyes, standard facial movement. That dead expression while just staring into her eyes...THAT'S CREEPY.

    #3. Right tonality and pauses - Don't talk fast (usually a sign of anxiety). Pull yourself back. Less is more. A confident guy walks slow and talks slow. Take a deep breath so you voice have more depth. Your most powerful seduction tool are those silences. Don't fill those silences.

    Also when is it acceptable for me to text her first? I want to get to the point where she initiates conversation with me first but I also don't want to be texting her first all the time and coming off as needy
    Any PUA will tell you, most of the time, the guy is the one initiating text. Confident men take the initiative. You are not showing neediness depending on what you write and you were doing fine with your level of disinterest and keeping it alpha. So its a active passive approach. Showing neediness is texting her consecutively if she doesn't respond or worst of all text bombing her with text that demonstrate that you want attention expecting her to answer. As long as you stimulate an emotional response with a hook text via humor or something completely off the wall, you are fine. Don't worry about looking needy. So for example. if you open with something like...

    YOU: "Those bedroom eyes, those luscious lips, a great smile, that awesome body, so hot!...But enough about me, what are you up to?"

    This will crack her up. If you get hahaha as a response. It worked. Sparking an emotional response in a woman will dissolve any considerations of you looking needy. Trust me.

    So stop worrying so much about looking needy because you are doing fine.

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    Default Re: Need feedback on conversation please

    Quote Originally Posted by I.M.Mortal View Post
    Here are the big threes in order of importance.
    #1. Eye contact - According to Nick Sparks, this will take practice. How will you know you done it right or it was enough? Two things will happen. 1) You get a intense feeling that lingers. If you felt that feeling, the other person felt that feeling too (A Good thing!) OR 2) A feeling of awkwardness. It means she was avoiding it, she has a boyfriend, wasn't attracted to you, or just got dumped. It will feel awkward for natural reasons. So if you break, you fail. Meaning if you can't stand up to those feelings and ride it out, she will pick it up as weak and your alpha is just an act. So eye contact is super important. You heard of men/women just seducing with their eyes. Well this is a big part of it.

    I believe that if the eyes are "the windows to the soul," then an unwaving eye contact is a true measure of your level of confidence. You cannot fake this.

    On the same token, this is not a staring contest.

    Moments I establish solid eye contact:

    - When she is talking to me (going off on something), I listen, and establish eye contact. In my mind, I'm saying to her "I want you" repeatingly. This works wonders and they will pick it up.
    - in the instance you run out of out of things to say and you experience that silence. Just look at her, establish solid eye contact and smile. Powerful moment.
    - If you both establish eye contact, don't be the first to look away. Linger for a moment in case she glances back.

    As for creepiness, the next part addresses that.

    #2. Having an emotional response on your face. Smile, widened eyes, standard facial movement. That dead expression while just staring into her eyes...THAT'S CREEPY.

    #3. Right tonality and pauses - Don't talk fast (usually a sign of anxiety). Pull yourself back. Less is more. A confident guy walks slow and talks slow. Take a deep breath so you voice have more depth. Your most powerful seduction tool are those silences. Don't fill those silences.



    Any PUA will tell you, most of the time, the guy is the one initiating text. Confident men take the initiative. You are not showing neediness depending on what you write and you were doing fine with your level of disinterest and keeping it alpha. So its a active passive approach. Showing neediness is texting her consecutively if she doesn't respond or worst of all text bombing her with text that demonstrate that you want attention expecting her to answer. As long as you stimulate an emotional response with a hook text via humor or something completely off the wall, you are fine. Don't worry about looking needy. So for example. if you open with something like...

    YOU: "Those bedroom eyes, those luscious lips, a great smile, that awesome body, so hot!...But enough about me, what are you up to?"

    This will crack her up. If you get hahaha as a response. It worked. Sparking an emotional response in a woman will dissolve any considerations of you looking needy. Trust me.

    So stop worrying so much about looking needy because you are doing fine.
    This is some great advice man thanks a lot! I noticed that some of the things you're mentioning I do naturally and I didn't notice before. I like the text msg example, where would you steer the conversation from there if all she replied with was a "hahaha" or "you're so funny" etc...


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