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    Default If you could have a girl say anything to another girl about you.

    If you could have a girl say anything to another girl that you want to game or like etc. About you. What do you think the best thing she could say that would make you seem more attractive could be. Basically I have this situation a lot when I game in my social circle that a friend wants me to get with one of their friends and im like well just tell her this or tell her that. But if I could have her say anything what should I have her say? If any of this makes sense.

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    Default Re: If you could have a girl say anything to another girl about you.

    I understand what you are saying, but I don't think there is one definitive answer....it all depends on your status within your social circle and how others perceive you.

    For me, I would tell my friend 'tell her I'm a huge player and I will probably break her heart'. I know this seems counterproductive, but you would be amazed at how many times setting up this frame has worked.

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    Default Re: If you could have a girl say anything to another girl about you.

    It's not exactly 'game', but I've seen this work:

    He told me he thinks you're hot.

    Works in "Le fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain" (or Amélie), in which they say it's the simplest yet most effective way to couple up other people.

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    Default Re: If you could have a girl say anything to another girl about you.

    Quote Originally Posted by MajorThird View Post
    It's not exactly 'game', but I've seen this work:

    He told me he thinks you're hot.

    Works in "Le fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain" (or Amélie), in which they say it's the simplest yet most effective way to couple up other people.
    Please, don't do that....ever. That's like advertising that you're too much of a pussy to actually go talk to a woman yourself. Takes me back to elementary school.
    "It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything."

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    Default Re: If you could have a girl say anything to another girl about you.

    Quote Originally Posted by SiNfUl View Post
    I understand what you are saying, but I don't think there is one definitive answer....it all depends on your status within your social circle and how others perceive you.

    For me, I would tell my friend 'tell her I'm a huge player and I will probably break her heart'. I know this seems counterproductive, but you would be amazed at how many times setting up this frame has worked.
    This. Me and my wingman have this girl we are hitting on from time to time, but without pushing it too far.

    One day, our Pivot, because she thought my wingman was interested in her, went and told her "Hey! Be careful about Mikalichov, he is dangerous. But Wingman is a nice guy."

    Five minutes later, the girl is over me, being like "Hey, I heard you were a dangerous guy... "
    Seduction is a martial art. Reading books and talking to experts is important, and helpful. But you won't progress unless you go out there and fight.

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    Default Re: If you could have a girl say anything to another girl about you.

    @TheDuke, I've been back and forth a couple of times in my mind about agreeing or disagreeing with you. It is gross and like I said it isn't exactly 'game', but let me ask these two questions:

    1) Isn't your argument valid against the entire tread? Against the entire point of having a girl say something for you?

    2) Isn't the most effective game the best game? Even if it's lame? Sometimes I see discussion about how to pick up a girl that's already into you... this reminds me a little of that. Why 'game' if you've already won? Why game if you can skip to the prize?


    I didn't argue she should say: "He asked me to tell you... he thinks you're hot". That would be the worst thing ever. But if she says it like "he probably doesn't want me to tell you, but he told me he thinks you're hot". It's flirting with dishonesty, as much as asking her to say anything else that doesn't begin with "he asked me to say that -"

    In a way, this might be even the most honest and direct thing to have her say (without the explicit "he doesn't want me to tell you"-lie). It's low risk, high reward (and granted: extremely low on inspiration).

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    Default Re: If you could have a girl say anything to another girl about you.

    1) No, this isn't an argument against the entire thread. A woman can provide you with AMAZING social proof, given she doesn't sewer you in the process. The key here is for her to talk you up without showing your interest. For instance, if you have a woman comment to another woman on how attractive you are, that's great. It doesn't show your interest and it doesn't detract from your game. Take this scenario:

    Your Pivot (female saying shit to the target) walks up to a girl and opens her. Starts talking about how attractive you are. You don't acknowledge their existence for a bit. Eventually you come over to your pivot and engage her while the target is standing there. Then you quickly pull the target into the conversation and start your conventional gaming.

    What happened here? First, you've created social proof and pre-selection through your pivot. Second, you've decreased your attainability by creating competition between the pivot and target. Third, you increased the attraction the target will feel for you because you're not giving her the attention she so desperately desires.

    So to answer your first question, no, a pivot can be used effectively.

    2) The most effective game is the best game--granted. But this is not the most effective game; unless, that is, your playing grab ass in elementary school and middle school. To prove my point, do an experiment. Go into a bar with a wing and have the wing open a set. Once the wing has opened the set try to establish yourself in that set. Here's what you will find: establishing yourself into a group that your wing has opened is much more difficult than establishing yourself in a group that you open. Why? Because it's your wing who had the balls to open the set and he automatically gets attributed a higher value than you just for doing so.

    The same is true with a pivot telling a target that you find her attractive. Sure, it might work, but you're going to have to work much harder for it than if you had just done it yourself.

    Your suggested approach is to go direct-by-proxy. Problem is, the advantage of going direct comes from having the balls to do it yourself. So in essence, your destroying your advantage from going direct and you've also destroyed the Indirect Game because you've displayed too much interest.

    Finally, this is not low-risk, high-reward. This is low-risk, low-reward, since this is likely to fail much more often than other approaches. Sure, it may have a high-reward on a one-off basis, but even the worst poker player catches a good hand once in a while. The best PUAs (actually, the people who are best at anything in the world) maximize their success over extended periods of time. Life is a marathon, not a sprint, so why use a tactic that is going to give you less reward over an extended period?
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