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    Red face Friendzone tips(for me please)

    Ok so let me just paint you a quick picture. You've known this HB10 for years (mutual friends) and you've liked her for a while. She clearly friendzoned you at the beginning of the relationship - she either has a bf or said she didn't like you that way. Now fast forward 2 years and you're at her house doing whatever, hanging out. You're starting to fall for her, keep this in mind - you don't see her as being like all other girls that you can just simply game.

    You begin noticing ioi's and you're feeling a spark between the two of you - she's being really friendly and reciprocative, she's wearing alluring clothing even though it's just you and her, hell maybe she's even wearing a skirt and she'll tease you by spreading her legs wide so you can see her panties and all that. Vague ioi's but they're there nonetheless...

    What do you do? Remember - YOU LIKE THIS GIRL! YOU CAN'T TREAT HER LIKE ANY OTHER!

    What i do... (lol) ... I hear something she says that's a little flirty and at first my rationality will say "dude that's a farking ioi, if this were any other girl it would be an ioi for sure" and your emotions tell you "ignore it dude, she just wants to be friends and she's being friendly, plus she already told you she doesn't like you like that". I see her showing her panties and i can barely unglue my eyes but i do just before she looks back at me. She stares into your eyes for multiple seconds, there definitely seems to be attraction there - rationality: if i didn't know any better, it'd seem she's hella into me...

    You guys hang out for another hour or two and it's time for her to kick you out. You're about to leave when you turn around into her eyes, she stares back with that fire in her eyes again. So... just as a test you decide to give it a shot. As you're saying your goodbyes you walk slowly up to her, you triangulate her 2 eyes and lips and again if you didn't know any better she'd really seem to be into you, despite what you seem to KNOW about her. You stop about a foot away from her for a second, you lean in as if you were gonna kiss her (and she doesnt pull away!) and you grab her shoulders and pull her close to you for a tight hug. as you let go you say "you know if you wanted to kiss me, you could just ask...". It takes her a minute to realize what you just said. She get's flustered and she takes a step back "WHat, dude you're misreading all of this" is her response, she's obviously afraid of it as much as we are and can't bring hereself to talk about it straight up. you leave it at that.

    I get home and think more about how the night went. My rationality battles with my emotions for days. After about a week i spill all of my feelings into a few 5 page texts and send them off. This text included my love that was developing for her, my lust, my desires, why i thought she was into me (all of my ioi's that i ever recieved), why i thought she was resisting me, why i was afraid to just simply make a move, what i liked about her, etc, etc, etc... She never texted back. I think i ended up appologizing for coming on too strong but it was too late. No response to that either. This happened about... 6 months ago?

    I'm great with girls that i have no friendship with but when i have the time to fall in love with a girl before i start courting them, i have absolutely no chance, no courage. I see things how i'd dream they'd be between us years down the road, or even days down the road when we'd be dating, but i have no clue how to so much as begin getting them there(i try to plan ten moves ahead like in chess but i feel like i simply lack the pieces to get me there). In a couple years i may be able to salvage things but for right now i'm wondering how you fellas woulda reacted... Direct, indirect? Honesty, seduction? Escalation? Ugh... I have no clue, i couldn't think of sh1t so i just used pure honesty.

    Edit: In reality, there were ioi's spread out over the course of about a month or 2. These were just a couple from one night when i finally reached my resolve.
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    Default Re: Friendzone tips(for me please)

    Not intended to sound harsh, but are you sure she was giving you signs?

    Despite whether she was giving you IOIs or not it's still up to you to take the lead. Waiting for her to make the first move is probably what got you in the friend zone in the first place. We are men. We make the first move. Simple.

    So with that you have to build attraction right? At least according to Magic Bullets and Mystery Method. (I like to use them as a sort of guideline hierarchy.) So build attraction so that they look at you as a potential partner rather than another orbiter who gets friend zoned.
    "All things are subject to interpretation. Whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth."

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    Default Re: Friendzone tips(for me please)

    I already built attraction and then i sorta just got stuck there. :P
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    Default Re: Friendzone tips(for me please)

    Then you may be looking at qualification if you are sure that you are not in the friend zone, but aren't quite sure what the next step is. Take a look at my post here on qualification.
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    Default Re: Friendzone tips(for me please)

    Thanks bro, i've gotten so many 10's in the friend zone when i was in high school. And before that i had tons of crushes in which i never made a move on. It's been a recurring issue and i think laying some of them would boost my confidence a ton!
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    Default Re: Friendzone tips(for me please)

    Just something I keep noticing on this forum alot is along the lines of "Dude, if I could just rail this HB10 My confidence will sky rocket!"

    Which, is true but, foundations built in sand are still built in sand. If you build all of your confidence off of the level of hotness a woman is, what are you going to do when you have a bad day and get rejected one after the other?? You're going to feel like shit right or at least a little bummed. What I'm getting at is build your confidence off of who YOU are, not who you sleep with. That way, rejection has no power over you and you have no dependence on a specific outcome. Comprende?

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    Default Re: Friendzone tips(for me please)

    Quote Originally Posted by monoposto View Post
    Just something I keep noticing on this forum alot is along the lines of "Dude, if I could just rail this HB10 My confidence will sky rocket!"

    Which, is true but, foundations built in sand are still built in sand. If you build all of your confidence off of the level of hotness a woman is, what are you going to do when you have a bad day and get rejected one after the other?? You're going to feel like sh1t right or at least a little bummed. What I'm getting at is build your confidence off of who YOU are, not who you sleep with. That way, rejection has no power over you and you have no dependence on a specific outcome. Comprende?
    I do agree with you 100%. But you are missing something.

    And that is understanding that learning these skills is a process.

    They say a man learned kung fu to defend himself and take revenge on those he hated. When he finally mastered kung fu he no longer had the desire to fight.

    When I started all I wanted was hot chicks. After some time and experience I slowly desired more than just a drunk pretty face lol. I wanted a woman with substance. I've finally found her, but I remind her all the time she wouldn't have liked me a couple of years ago. Very shallow
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    Monoposto - i'm not gonna lie man, one of the main reasons i want one of these 6 or so girls is because they were way hotter than i was at those times... However another main reason i wanted these girls so bad was because i loved their personalities - everything about them. And since i failed with women who i thought i loved, it developed a complex in me which has crippled my confidence. Yes i do need to take confidence in myself, my personality... however... im not the best of people and i loathe myself a little bit.

    Batman - i've been looking for women with substance - you see, i don't use pick up to pick up girls, i've actually been using it in attempts to attract someone i can spend the rest of my life with. the problem is, the women that i've found with "substance" have not deemed my "substance" worthy of theirs - you see, my only real redeemable trait is my high intelligence. I suppose i'm funny too, i have a nice body and quite brilliant but only in some areas. My brain is farked from drug abuse and my face is average, i lack any motivation and my life is going somewhere but at a snail's pace. These days i'm quite anti-social and i have few friends left...

    I'm sorta proud of who i am and yet i'm sorta ashamed of all of the potential i once had that i've wasted simply due to hanging with the wrong crowds.

    Should i instead derive my confidence from my achievements? <- That's the conclusion i've come to. Gratefulness is the best path to happiness and happiness the best path to confidence. it's funny you should mention kung fu - i study hung gar :P
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    Default Re: Friendzone tips(for me please)

    Quote Originally Posted by hairypua View Post
    you see, my only real redeemable trait is my high intelligence. I suppose i'm funny too, i have a nice body and quite brilliant but only in some areas. My brain is farked from drug abuse and my face is average, i lack any motivation and my life is going somewhere but at a snail's pace. These days i'm quite anti-social and i have few friends left...

    I'm sorta proud of who i am and yet i'm sorta ashamed of all of the potential i once had that i've wasted simply due to hanging with the wrong crowds.

    Should i instead derive my confidence from my achievements? <- That's the conclusion i've come to.

    From what ive read and seen in many people say say is I think, I suppose, i might be. If theres one thing i ve learnt from Neil ( and Batman) is that you cant think like your about to fail. You gotta what you want and go for it. So if i was to describe you from what your telling me, Your a Intelligent funny guy, who has expertise in some fields more then others and you dunno know where your going yet but you know your going to get there...

    That's how im reading it. Confidence is like the Job loop. for those who don't know what that is, it's "I cant get a job cause i dont have experience and I don't have experience cause I don't have a job". In this case your saying im average cause i dont have confidence and i dont have cofidence cause im average...
    If you consistently think like that, thats all you'll ever know, but if you break you cycle and throw yourself out as someone you dont know ( aka change your personality ), You'll do great. I was the same as you. Now I'm going out every night/ couple nights, getting to know people, talking to HBs as though Im the next Hugh Hefner, and making mistakes but always coming back and getting feedback on how I did.

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    ^ I have a feeling you could get paid as a motivational speaker lol. Well said kind sir.
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