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    Default Re: Being the Alpha Male

    Quote Originally Posted by amazingJay View Post
    Excellent post Swagman, that helps a lot. It sounds like my gameplan would look something like this: open with kindness, focus on the AMOG at first and then slowly shift focus to my target, and dlv him by downplaying his attempts at DHVs, to lower the girl's interest in him and up her interest in me until I can attempt to isolate. Sound about right?
    YES! That is EXACTLY how the process is supposed to run when doing this. I actually have an example that I experienced this weekend that describes this process.

    The field report goes like this:

    I was at an ice cream social for some job stuff, and I was spending my free time going around and socializing with everybody. Eventually, though, I locked my scope on a lovely lady across the room. She fell within my physical interests, thus I decided that I wanted to figure out more about her.

    Here goes the catch: she was already talking to another guy, and she looked like she was really enjoying the conversation. The guy she was talking to had also been giving off an incredible vibe that caused a lot of people to find interest in him.

    So, naturally, I saw a challenge, and I love challenges.

    So I walked over to the two, introduced myself, and then focused all of my attention on the man. I got myself engaged with him, and eventually he got engaged with me. As he did so, his true colors started to leak out, bit by bit.

    As I saw that he was beginning to crumble under his own weight, I slowly began to shift my attention to the woman. I could tell that she was starting to lose interest in the man I was challenging, but she still maintained enough to be interactive with him. The questions he was asking her were the typical of the night, like "What movies do you like?", "What's your major?", and blah blah blah. Knowing the questions, I immediately saw an advantage in separating myself from the bunch, but I decided not to dive in first yet. I played along with the common questions, and then finally I tell her:

    "You know, I'm frankly quite tired of hearing the typical technical questions. I'm really interested in figuring out who you ARE, not what you do. So with that, I have this question: name three things that describe you best."

    Her reaction to this was a mixture of many things. I could tell she was confused to be hit by a sudden question that almost seems like it would shoot right out of the blue. However, I could get a hint of interest and relief over the fact that I was apparently different than everyone else there.

    Her answer was much like a stumble. She made it through the first two, and then had to spend an extra minute to figure out the third one. At this point, the man I was challenging walked away to get a drink and some snacks.

    My opportunity to go in for the kill.

    At this point, I began to expand off of the personality traits that she had said and I began to tie them to me, thus building rapport. As I did so, her body language changed, and I could tell that she was really getting engaged into the conversation.

    Eventually, the other man came back and jumped back into the conversation. Now I knew that I was in the same position he was when I first came in, so I shifted focus back onto him. He began asking the questions of the night again, and as he was doing so, I could literally see in her eyes that she was thinking "Wow, what a dork."

    I had triumphed.

    The night ended with me ejecting because she made a comment that offended me. It was not a playful neg, it was an insult over a question about what kind of comedy I like. Her insult also waved a red flag to me about what kind of person she was, and those qualities were in my "DO NOT GET AT" category. So I eased out lightly and then went on with my night. The man approached me later and began chatting my head off. Being the social person I am, I engaged with him, entertained myself, and overall proved to everyone around me who was the king in that place that night.

    The lessons to be learned here?

    #1 Be prepared for a round two.

    #2 Know the context to separate yourself from.

    #3 ALWAYS go into a situation knowing what kind of girl you are looking for.
    "There is no better than adversity. Every defeat, every heartbreak, every loss, contains its own seed, its own lesson on how to improve your performance the next time." - Malcolm X

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    Default Re: Being the Alpha Male

    This is good stuff man, it sounds like your game was pretty tight. Anytime you've got someone asking boring AFC type questions, it seems like you can really take advantage of that and swing the interest in your favor. It also sounds like the best situation is to befriend the AMOG by the end of it, as you did. Last weekend I had a similar situation as what you described actually, so this is definitely a common obstacle in pickup. I went with the basic structure you described, and although my execution wasn't particularly great, the guy was a serious AFC so I got her number without too much trouble.

    On our Day 2 today, I asked her what made her find me so interesting, and she said "You weren't trying to pick me up like everyone else, you just came in and were friendly to everyone, and I really liked that." LOL!

    Your tips definitely helped this weekend, much appreciated as this used to be a huge sticking point in my game.

    Finally, the fact that you ejected when she crossed your personal boundary is great. That's how you tell a PUA from an AFC, when you're not afraid to reject girls with bad personalities. Is there anything you can do particularly to test for this, like a question to ask or something? Sometimes I don't really find out a girl's true personality until a Day 2, which can be a waste of my time. Thanks again!

    -amazing Jay

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    Default Being the Alpha Male: Part 3

    Quote Originally Posted by amazingJay View Post
    Is there anything you can do particularly to test for this, like a question to ask or something? Sometimes I don't really find out a girl's true personality until a Day 2, which can be a waste of my time.
    Really good question Jay. To answer it would require another chunk of detail, so I'll just go into a Part 3 to answer that question.

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    Now, suppose that you have won. Your challenger has either been defeated or is terribly embarrassing himself, and you are ready to really get engaged with this lovely young lady (or old if you are into that sort of thing).

    Now, suppose that your goal is not to bang her promptly that night, but to actually see if she is your kind of girl. Now, to one who doesn't think about the deeper things much, this can be a harder thing to do. Fortunately, it is possible to really think about this while still remaining natural.

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    Who are YOU?
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    Before you can even go about with knowing whether that girl is worth it or not for you, you need to make sure that you know who you are and what you want.

    Now some of you are thinking right now "Oh, well I already know what I want Swagman".

    To respond: no, you don't.

    You THINK you know what you want, and you will try to pursue it, but have you ever had a moment where you thought a girl was awesome, but when you discovered that a certain trait of hers that you knew about before, and now it bothered you because you didn't realize that it was a trait that you disliked before?

    Here's another one: Have you ever had things collapse with a girl, and then all of a sudden you began bringing out all of these bad qualities that you knew about her, but now you're using them to make you hate her so then you move on from her a lot quicker?

    If you are like me, then you would have experienced this many times over. The problem is, you never begin to really think about it before someone grabs the sign and slaps you across the face with it. I never thought about this before I read about it in one of Derek Rake's readings.

    So how do we go about with solving this complexity that seems to land us in relationships that we have no desire getting in?

    Well, for starters, we need to answer the question of who we are.

    You can start this out by listing all of the words that describe you best. After this, elaborate off of why you believe these words describe you as they do.

    Now, here comes the tricky part. Next, go through everything you listed, and pick out the ones that you would want to see the MOST in a girl. Then, you should pick out the ones that you would want to see the least in a girl. Once again, as you're doing this, you should try to elaborate on why your decision is the way it is.

    This is the easy, short way for things. The longer way would be to include philosophies, more minute details and so on. The only difference between the short way and the long way is that the long way is more thoroughly defined than the other, but the short way is still pretty thorough.

    One last thing, this process isn't something where you can simply think about it and you're done. In order to truly get an accurate picture of who I was and what I wanted, I had to sit down in front of a chalk board for twelve hours, take a hell of a lot of personality, character, and compatibility tests, and really come up with multiple good reasons to what I had put down.

    In other words, be prepared to put some effort into this.

    Who is SHE?
    ------------

    Now we get back into the field. We are now in the position where you have found an interest in the girl and you are attempting to figure out more about her.

    The reason the first part comes in so incredibly handy is because you already know who YOU are, and you know what parts of you you want to see in her. Thus, there are two ways you can go about with this.

    The first is to ask her questions relating to what you want to find in her that you see in yourself. For example, if you consider yourself an adventurous person, ask her a questions like "Do you go camping?", "Have you ever done anything really crazy?", and so on.

    The second way is to build rapport with the answers she gives you. If she does go camping, then tell her about some of your own experiences. Build rapport with her by sharing your experiences on a mutual trait.

    Now suppose that she hasn't gone camping. Remember that part from before where I told you to rank the personalities in the order of which you want to see in the target? Do you also remember where I told you to really elaborate on what you mean when you say that? That's where this comes into play.

    So she doesn't go camping. Does that mean she's not adventurous? If your only definition of adventurous is camping trips, then she really doesn't. For me, as an example, adventurous means willing to do crazy things. The thoroughness in knowing this is important because it can play such a critical role.

    Another important thing is to know where the absent trait places. If adventurous is about so-so, then it really doesn't matter. If it is closer to the top, then you need to figure out if there are any more traits near the top that she does not have.

    In the end, active judgement will pass to you. It will be entirely up to you whether the traits she has satisfies your requirements or not. The moment you determine that she is really not your kind of girl is the moment you should eject from the conversation. Exit lightly, and move on with your night.

    If you do this right, the best part is being able to go on with absolutely no regrets whatsoever.

    ******************** **********

    So why didn't I just create a whole new thread and include it in there? What does any of the above relate with being a true Alpha Male?

    Being an Alpha Male does not mean just simply walking the walk and talking the talk as I have shown. It means knowing WHY you are walking, WHY you are talking, and being able to stand firm knowing that's who you are and what you desire the most out of things. As long as you maintain this philosophy, it will only make you all the more stronger and confident not only in your pursuit for the girl who's just right, but also for the social fame you desire as well.

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    I'm really glad that this is working out for you. It makes me happy to know that my methods are working for people besides myself. Keep up the great work!
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    Default Re: Being the Alpha Male

    Excellent reply once again. I feel like this would be quite a valuable thread for anyone stuck on amoging and gaining that true alpha Mindset. I really like the point that you need to find yourself before you can determine if a girl will have a complimentary personality to your own. I've gotten better at identifying the manipulative girls quickly so I can eject from those conversations ASAP. I think it takes practice, and good questions, as Swagman mentioned above, to find complimentary personalities in girls.

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    Default Re: Being the Alpha Male

    Recently, I've gone through a lot more changes in my life, and I have experienced and learned new things in terms of the game. Some of my previous advice posts have crumbled a bit, especially on the online ones. However, things like this article still remain strong, for I have noticed that the new things I'm learning seem to point back to this whole guide.

    As I have begun to flirt with more and more people, regardless of their relationship statuses or my intentions with them, I have still discovered that the groundwork that I laid for myself to being a successful alpha male has not faltered. Most recently, this past Friday, I have discovered some new lessons that I would like to lay down for you fellow Alpha Males out there.

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    On this Friday night, I had been kicked out of my room because my roommate was having some "private time" with his girlfriend over the phone (I didn't even want to ask). My choices were taking a hot shower for twenty minutes, or going over to the women's dorm to hit up friends. I decided to pick the more productive of the two and hit up my friends.

    I get to the women's dorm, and I head to the room of a friend who had recently re-started conversation with me. We ended up hanging out, and I just begin to all-out flirt with her. I was not interested in going out with her, but it was all in an effort to practice my flirting. We ended up having a really fun time, she called her cousin and I joked around with her by chucking pillows at her and yelling sexual comments into the speaker. Her cousin, being an energetic male, played along too, and we all ended up having fun.

    After that, we both got drunk in her room, talking about each other's problems. I could have advanced, but I chose not to. Why? She had a lot of bad stuff happen to her in the past that still affects her today, I've already decided that I want to be friends with her, and I'm not about to take advantage of her and put her through that pain. So we ended up talking about our deep problems in life, and we built major rapport over that.

    Then the AFC came. I could clearly tell that this guy wanted to get at her. However, he was pretty much incapable of doing so. So I switched my attention from her to him. I chatted with him and joked around with him. He conversed with me and laughed, and when I negged the girl we were with, he was the one that jumped on the bandwagon. When I wasn't conversing with him, he reverted to and remained silent, staring off somewhere and playing around with his hands.

    At the end of a joke, and at the same time realizing it was late, we both had a play argument of kicking me out of the room over stupid reasons. I left and not too long after I did, she did the same to the other guy. The next morning, she wanted to have breakfast with me, and she did everything to stay with me up until I left her to go meet my other plans.

    Latter in the day, another lady, who I'm having a movie night with tonight, came to my room and chatted with me and my friends. I had drunk messaged her the night before, and she did not believe that I had been drinking. My friends, witnesses to me returning, backed me up and proved me true. She was pretty shocked, and actually horrified. She then said "But Swagman, you're so innocent!". At that point, I pulled my cigars out of my pocket, waved them around in the air, and said "Yea, well you should think again". She left there with one of my cigars and pretty upset that it turned out the sweet, nice, clean Swagman was not who she thought he was. And to think, she is in for a bigger surprise tonight when she figures out more of who I am now.

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    The moral of the story: recognize and know when and when not to advance. You can constantly game, 24/7, but a true alpha male can think with his big head and not his little one. Know when to respect the space of a woman, and use that to your advantage to get deeper into her trust zone.

    The other lesson we can learn is to always be unpredictable, mysterious, and unrecognizable. Be able to throw people into a state of shock and awe and have them always guessing and curious. If a person "thinks" they know everything about you, then they will be extremely quick to label you and pass you off, like the second girl in the story did. However, I proved her wrong, and I ended up gaining a whole new advantage there. Alpha Males are interesting not because they are predictable, but because you can never guess them. The only thing you could accurately label them as is an endless fun box, filled with mysterious and unpredictable things.
    "There is no better than adversity. Every defeat, every heartbreak, every loss, contains its own seed, its own lesson on how to improve your performance the next time." - Malcolm X


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