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Thread: I can never kiss close... what is it?!

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    Default I can never kiss close... what is it?!

    It's getting very frustrating.

    I meet plenty of girls. I go clubbing lots, and my friend and I have got good game going on. But where it never seems to work, is the kiss close. I can get a girl (apparently) very interested, but I guess I'm always afraid to be rejected from a kiss...

    Saturday night, I was the DJ for my friend's birthday party. It was funk night, and the people were really feeling the tracks I was playing. so I load up a pre-made playlist and head over to the dancefloor myself to have a little fun.

    I start dancing with this girl who was batting eyes at me from accross the floor. I do the lasso move, and she comes over, and we dance nonstop for 30 minutes. She's smiling, laughing, and I'm making her dance rock'n roll and michael Jackson like crazy. I then stop between songs and excuse myself to go smoke one, she says she doesn't smoke, I go anyways, she follows.

    We go outside, talk for a bit and she gets cold, and goes back inside. From then on, impossible to dance with her, let alone make eye contact.

    Please help me here... I'm at a loss...
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    Default Re: I can never kiss close... what is it?!

    Its pretty basic but its impossible to be rejected, start with the mystery method kiss close. Ask, do you want to kiss me? (add. right now). She says yes, go for it. She says maybe, kiss her, she says no, then say I didnt you you could! tease her. I tried it once and she nodded, boom kiss close. Its scary but if she likes you its what she wants dude. Later try kissing a girl just on a date is scary but fun!
    What you need will not come quickly. WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS WHAT YOU FEAR. Take comfort that what you seek is there. But you will NEVER have it if you keep being a p$ssy.

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    Default Re: I can never kiss close... what is it?!

    The girl became impossible to approach following your smoke because you failed to escalate. She followed you outside because she wanted you to escalate. It didnt need to be a kiss even, but some form of physical escalation was required.

    The mystery kiss close (as described above) is great. I also really like SuaveKino's "5 kiss close" (just search it on the forum), which uses a compliance ladder to help escalate the situation and also pad your confidence as you're escalating.

    If you haven't read the game, you should. Neil Strauss spends a lot of time talking about how he overcame his fear of kiss closing.
    "It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything."

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    Default Re: I can never kiss close... what is it?!

    Devil Dog, Thanks so much for the reply! I've actually tried the Mystery Method kiss close question, however its only worked once for me (tried it a lot...) Maybe I just hadn't established enough rapport and confidence with my target before asking that.

    theDuke, that's actually a fair point. I guess when we went outside to talk, it really meant for things to get serious, but I had the thought in the back of my head "what if she's just the kind of girl that just enjoys dancing, and since I'm a fairly good dancer, she really could let herself go with me (dancewise)" was this a tangible concern, or should I just have thrown caution to the winds?

    Thanks so much for the replies guys.
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    Default Re: I can never kiss close... what is it?!

    Kissing is comfort builder, not seduction.
    A rule that i recommanded to you , if she gives you 3 IOIs go for it
    Keep in mind , if you go into seduction stage before you have enough comfort you'll feel like a great player at the time but you won't get laid.

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    Default Re: I can never kiss close... what is it?!

    The guys above are right, use the close routines to help you past your anxiety; that's how I started.

    But first of all smokey, you need to remember the golden rule. no non smoker wants to kiss an ash tray! You should have kissed her before smoking when taking her outside or just kissed her and forgone the cig. If you are smoking make sure you carry mints... help yourself.

    second, K-closing is a combination of confidence and attraction. Once you get comfortable with it you will naturally pick up the signals and you won't even need to say anything. The last girl I kissed I simply took her by the hand turned her round and pulled her towards me gently with my hands on her hips. Girls like confidence just don't get all rapey haha.

    If you feel scared of not knowing what to do read my technique guide in the ask an expert section for the basic tips.

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    Default Re: I can never kiss close... what is it?!

    Quote Originally Posted by theSkap View Post
    It's getting very frustrating.

    I meet plenty of girls. I go clubbing lots, and my friend and I have got good game going on. But where it never seems to work, is the kiss close. I can get a girl (apparently) very interested, but I guess I'm always afraid to be rejected from a kiss...

    Saturday night, I was the DJ for my friend's birthday party. It was funk night, and the people were really feeling the tracks I was playing. so I load up a pre-made playlist and head over to the dancefloor myself to have a little fun.

    I start dancing with this girl who was batting eyes at me from accross the floor. I do the lasso move, and she comes over, and we dance nonstop for 30 minutes. She's smiling, laughing, and I'm making her dance rock'n roll and michael Jackson like crazy. I then stop between songs and excuse myself to go smoke one, she says she doesn't smoke, I go anyways, she follows.

    We go outside, talk for a bit and she gets cold, and goes back inside. From then on, impossible to dance with her, let alone make eye contact.

    Please help me here... I'm at a loss...

    Well man out of the 61 sets I have had I have only had 3 K-closes and 3 failed K-closes. The failed ones I am mentioning is when they are trying to kiss me and I kissed them on the cheek which is why I failed and they always walked off right away when I did that!

    I have only gone for one K-close on my own. All the 3 k-closes I did were where they were trying to kiss me not me forcing anything. One girl dropped a hint and it happened, another girl put her arm around my neck and it happened, and the last girl was calling me hot nonstop.

    Out of the failed ones I had I was dancing on the dance floor with a 42 yr old HB9 (super hot) and had my arm around her and she starts looking deeply into my eyes and starts puckering up but I didn't act and she walked off, wonder why! I followed her and she kissed me on the cheek duh! Feel so stupid sometimes but anyway I usually only kiss HB's who are doing kino on me, giving me super strong IOI's, dropping hints, etc. I literally had 2 girls so far try to hook up with me who I never even kissed so don't think you have to kiss an HB before they want to sleep with you. That's the most shocking to me is the girls who try to hook up and act totally aloof, play hard to get, act uninterested and then bam try to hook up, shocks the heck out of me and that's why I don't see it coming.

    For the record the girls who are super into me and give me the least resistance for the kiss, number, etc still never try to hook up. It's the girls that give me mixed signals, play hard to get, act totally aloof, and act pissed sometimes that end up falling head over heels and want to go home with me. It's the weirdest thing.

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    Default Re: I can never kiss close... what is it?!

    Quote Originally Posted by sidewinder89 View Post
    But first of all smokey, you need to remember the golden rule. no non smoker wants to kiss an ash tray! You should have kissed her before smoking when taking her outside or just kissed her and forgone the cig. If you are smoking make sure you carry mints... help yourself.
    I had actually never thought of that... I know I sound stupid, but really all the girls I've gamed before happened to be smokers, so it didn't bother them...

    So I guess I could use the cig as a decoy for going outside and then escalate Kino from there.
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