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Thread: The single key core concept to "The Game"

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    Default The single key core concept to "The Game"

    I've realized everything boils down to Frame Control. Controlling your frame and changing the girls frame. To start off, let me define what a "Frame" is.

    A Frame is a mindset, or a view on a situation. For instance, your frame when you go to a club can consist of "My goal is to improve my game skills", "I'm all about just having fun", and "I will blow out every set, and burn every set to the ground". Your frames can also consist of your life values, such as beliefs like "Selective Blind Spots", or "I am entitled because I am a man, I have a penis, and girls love sex". Any goal you have in an interaction, and anything you believe is your "Frame". Frames can be manipulated very easily, as they are very malleable if you are not confident. Getting in state is amplifying a frame, as they make your frames stronger and harder to break.

    A lot of times, you can try to create a frame, while in reality you have a different frame. You try to delude yourself. Many times in a club on a bad night, I try to delude myself that "I am interesting, I am having fun, I am entitled, etc." while I actually feel like sh1t. This is a very important concept about frame control: Controlling your own frames. Being able to get yourself in state, being self amused- is solidifying your frame. Making it more adamant, harder to shift. Be sure to check what state you are actually in rather than what state you want to be in, and understand why: the roots of the problem.

    Inner Game
    Frames you have are inner game. Frame control on your end is dealing with yourself. It means keeping true to your intent (I.E. if you want to have sex with a girl, you won't just prolong the interaction to play it safe. You will be true to your intent, keep your sexual frame, and proceed to escalate and take risks). This also has to do with Freedom from Outcome, and being uncreative. Approach Anxiety is a break in your frame. Your initial frame is to approach all women, but then you have an inner conflict, such as fear of rejection, and your frame involuntarily changes.

    Being able to maintain your frame is of extreme importance to the game. Setting the right frames (not the creeper frame, for instance), is also of great importance. These are the fundamentals of inner game: being clear with yourself, with what you want, and keeping to your original desires, not those imposed by society or your surroundings. Keeping your frame is "being yourself". If you change your frame to impress someone, you have an agenda, and then you are not yourself. The more confidence you have in yourself, the more solid your Frame will be. The definition of confidence is the validation of yourself, the ease of "owning yourself". In turn, this is translated to be a simple ability to maintain your frames.

    It is really important that you establish a solid frame within yourself so that you do not get discouraged. Even if you master outer game, you are sure to change your goals, be outcome dependant, and not take risks if you do not have a solid inner game and a solid frame. While sometimes it is advantageous to change your frame slightly based on a woman's reaction and frame, make sure it is your choice to make the interaction progress and go further by changing your frame, rather than just reacting to a bitch test. [B]Bitch tests[/B] are women's efforts to try to change your frame. Being reactive is bad because you allow the environment and the girl to shift your frames. Being in your own movie, sucking her into your reality means sucking her into your Frame.

    Outer Game
    Now, let's talk about outer game, such as NLP, disqualification, negging, and logistic control. This is the girl's frame. It can be "I just want to have fun tonight", "My friends are watching, not now", "I'm working, leave me alone"(daygame), "I'm really horny, fark me", "I want a rich, nice guy because I want a boyfriend", etc. A girls buying temperature also majorly affects her frame. Just keeping solid to your frame will change her frame many times, due to the law of state transference. However, if your frame is to have sex in public on the street, you'll need to use outer game to get her comfortable with it, such as taking really little steps and getting her buying temperature really high before having sex.

    Examples of outer game is push pull, cold reading, changing the way she views things such as frame amplification, etc. AFC adam talks a lot about controlling frames in his video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6TGB...18123563072F37 . It is named "PUA Adam Lyons | The World's #1 Pickup Artist | Full Length HD", and it is posted by the Under21Convention07 on Youtube. (start after 1 hour I think)

    A really good way that Julien from Real Social Dynamics uses to manipulate a girls frame is Drama. Emotions work especially well in changing a girls frame. If she trusts you, and likes you, she will let you manipulate her frame as much as you want. And she likes you if you have "Value". One way to give value is by sharing emotions, giving her the ride of her life.

    Another note, another important concept of game is "leading". In terms of frames, this means imposing your frame on her. Being aligned to your thoughts words and actions meaning acting according to your frame, not hers.

    A lot of times, you will need to change the frames of other people as well, such as the girls friends to pull the girl, or the club promoter to let you into the club. Frame control works in almost every social situation. In business transactions, the one whom the transaction favors shifts the frame of the first person. Commercials and advertisements shift peoples frames all the time, so they end up buying something they don't truly want. The popular kid at school leads the group, choosing conversation topics, assigning the pecking order, and deciding where the group will go for fun. The Alpha male has control over everyone else's frames because his frame is most solid. He goes for what he wants. He is not a follower. He is not reactive. He leads the pack.

    Always being aware of what your frame is, and if it was shifted by your wants (I.e.: the girl doesn't fit your qualifications), or if it was shifted by something out of you (I.e.: social conditioning, such as approach anxiety) is very important. It's more important to keep your frame than learn how to deal with her frames, because the law of state transference will do the work for you (and you will be a happier person in general). This is the method of the inner game. However, I've seen people easily control the girls frame with NLP, silence, and jump-through-the-ring commands (such as " stand over here", and escalating eventually to "put your hand on my d1ck").

    The path you take is up to you. In general, actually being that attractive guy with a lot going on in his life (other than socially) will reinforce your frame that you are entitled and attractive. Of course, you could be someone who has their life in the dumps who has perfected their outer game, like Evil Stiffler. Frame control is the essence of social interactions, and pickup in general. Realizing this, and understanding what you need to do.

    Terms Defined:

    Selective Blindspots: Everything has one objectivity. for instance, the sky is blue no matter what. Cement is hard when its dry no matter what. But someone can decide that the same sky is beautiful or ugly. The cement can be a bed to one person, or sidewalk to another. This is subjectivity. Since only our subjectivity matters (everyone in the world has different subjectivities), selective blind spots are subjectivities we allow ourselves to believe to our advantage. For instance, all women love sex with you, and all women are attracted to you are good blind spots to have.

    Entitlement: Feeling like you deserve something. Someone who is not entitled comes from a place of lower value. Feeling like you deserve a woman is entitlement. The reason why is up to you. Some people derive it off of materialistic values, reference experiences, or selective blind spots they make.

    In State: That god mode feeling of just being on fire, having the right things to say, having tremendous fun and abundance and having amazing social momentum.

    Abundance: Having a plethora of women that you can flirt with, and knowing it. Knowing that one woman doesn't matter because there are many fish in the sea. This has to do with freedom from outcome, and entitlement.

    Self Amusement: Being able to derive state from within. Rather than seeking validation from people for state, you have fun simply because of the things you do, the process, rather than the outcome.

    Approach Anxiety: Common term for that feeling you get that stops you from initiating an interaction with someone. Fear of rejection, her being with her friends, and many other invalid excuses are often used to prevent yourself from talking to someone.

    Bitch Test: Also called Bitch shields, these are rude and imposing comments said by women to see if the man is genuine or being fake. Saying "you're fat", "you look funny", "that purple shirt looks gay", "who the fark are you" (in a non playful tone), "I have a boyfriend", or simply just walking away or talking to someone else are all bitch tests. They are opportunities to show that you actually are true. If you encounter these tests, it is a good sign. It shows she considers you sexually, and she is imposing a challenge on you, that if you pass it, she will respect you.

    NLP: Neuro Linguistic Programming is its own subject with tons of books on its own. It is the manipulation of a woman's mind by using words and actions to reinforce behaviors or elicit certain actions. For instance, you using words the woman uses will make her feel more comfortable. Cementing emotions is an NLP tactic where you call out the emotion she is feeling in words so she actually has a reference point to remember how she was feeling (and you can bring that emotion back simply by reminding her). There are many books on this interesting subject if you are interested, such as Brilliant NLP.

    Buying Temperature: How horny or playful the girl is. For instance, a really sad girl has almost no buying temperature, so you have to make her happy and slightly naught first before you are playful and sexual with her. A girl frolicking down the street at 2am on Hollywood blvd. probably has a really high buying temperature, and can be farked within minutes. Understanding this helps with the directness of your approach and your actions. Being too direct according to her Buying Temp. can freak her out. Being too subtle gets you nowhere.

    Law of State Transference: Whatever emotions you feel, the people you are interacting with will feel them. If someone feels sad, you become a little melancholy as well. If you are having a blast, free, loose, just being fun, you will suck people into that. This is due to a certain part of our brain being able to read other people's emotions. If you are attracted and sexual, if you stay around someone long enough, they will start to be like that as well.

    Push Pull: Simply giving Indicators of Interest then Indicators of Disinterest interchangeably. It confuses the girl, sets off her emotional switches, and creates extreme attraction and ambiguity. If you simply Pull, it comes off as needy. If you simply Push, it seems like you are not interested. For instance, Julien says "I love you, I hate you, I love you, I hate you" to girls to confuse them and create a Push Pull dynamic. It makes the girl chase you.

    Cold Reading: Saying general truths about humanity to the girl, and making it specific to her so that she feels you truly understand her. As you get better at cold reading, you will use the body language, verbal ques, and general traits of the types of things she does to enhance your cold reading. Simply understanding her personality and practice can make you extremely skilled at cold reading. Fortune telling, Palm reading, Astrology, and people who talk to the dead all use cold reading to seem like they know everything.

    Drama: Calling the girl Dog or Slut, or making depressing or messed up stories just for the emotions they carry. Watch RSD Juliens video on drama at How To Create Massive Amounts Of Drama And GET AWAY WITH IT! - YouTube "How to create massive amounts of drama and get away with it!" at julienfreetour's channel. He has a few other videos about it.

    Value: One of the core terms of Pickup. The higher value you have, the more attractive you are. This can be obtained by DHV stories, being fun, being hard to get, being the center of attention, being free, not caring, sharing emotion, along with many other ways.

    Leading: Taking control of the interaction. Rather than making it a boring conversation, leading the interaction is talking about what you want to talk about, doing what you want. Long silences show a lack of leading, unless you do it purposely for sexual tension. Always having something to say, not letting her questions be what your interaction is based on, escalating physically, along with other components are key to pickup.

    Disqualification: The act of disqualifying yourself. This is a push. Anything a girl would normally say to a guy bluntly hitting on her is something you can say such as "Ugh, whatever", or "I'm not that easy", or "Woah, hands off the merchandise". Use these with caution, as overusing them is an insecurity that some PUAs fall into.

    Negging: Lowering the girls value by blatantly stating something wrong about her, such as "I like tall girls. Are your heels 6 or 7 inches?". Or, "I like your costume, you're quite the makeup artist". I'm not a huge fan of negging, and don't take from my examples. Negging comes from a place of lower value, where you need to raise yours and lower the girls. Having the frame that you are very high value is very important. A high value person wouldn't really neg other people.

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    Default Re: The single key core concept to "The Game"

    Big Shawn,

    Nice write up. Lots of great tips.

    I am going to disagree with you a little. My view is that the most important thing is the approach. If you don't make the approach the rest of your game means nothing.

    The approach doesn't have to be fancy. It could be really simple and situational or it could be planned opener. Direct or indirect depending on the time of day and where you are.

    After that the rest of the game comes into play.

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    Default Re: The single key core concept to "The Game"

    Quote Originally Posted by dave_xxx View Post
    Big Shawn,

    Nice write up. Lots of great tips.

    I am going to disagree with you a little. My view is that the most important thing is the approach. If you don't make the approach the rest of your game means nothing.

    The approach doesn't have to be fancy. It could be really simple and situational or it could be planned opener. Direct or indirect depending on the time of day and where you are.

    After that the rest of the game comes into play.
    Read the buying temperature definition. I wrote a little bit about approaching. Of course, the first step is the most important, but if a guy goes out and just approaches, he wont get laid.

    That said, getting rid of Approach Anxiety is very important. Being able to analyze their buying temperature to edit your approach is quite useful. Many people, however, go under their buying temperature, and calibrate after. Your opener doesnt matter, just as long as you calibrate after. Ive done many non verbal openers on girls with low buying temperatures and still hooked up with them because i calibrated immediately after the fact that I saw they got freaked out by it. Their frame was so far off of mine, that I needed to talk to them a little to change their frame.

    I guess going to a club at the prime time and opening with "do you want to fark" to every single girl might get you laid once in a while, but then you wont have any variety.

    Eventually you will get rid of most approach anxiety, and find anxiety with escalating, then closing, then pushing more than pulling, then putting your full personality on the line and leave all of your game behind.

    That fear will stay with you. but at the stage of opening, that is the only anxiety you feel, because you havnt been to the other stages yet. There will be fear you have to break through the whole way.

    Anyways, eventually you dont even need to open with an opener. I know people that open with a k-close. so in a sense, their open is mid game.

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    Default Re: The single key core concept to "The Game"

    Good summary.

    Most beginners don't realize the importance of frame control. They do control the frame but they do it involuntarily, so when they close, they don't really understand why.

    Frame controlling may sound easy but you need to practice on every person -not just chicks that you wanna pick up- to solidify it. The reason why it's not easy to master frame control is, it can be broken down to countless scenarios and many different people. You just gotta go out there and approach approach approach.
    It's not about who I was or who I'm going to become.

    It's about who I am. Do it right here, right now.

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    Default Re: The single key core concept to "The Game"

    damn this whole PUA thang is sooooo much to learn. Where do i even begin!!!

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    Default Re: The single key core concept to "The Game"

    Quote Originally Posted by to0namiSB View Post
    damn this whole PUA thang is sooooo much to learn. Where do i even begin!!!
    by going out. This stuff is for intermidiates. You will learn everything on your own just by going out. Try your own things, don't just copy what you read here. Try new stuff, dont be afraid if it wont work. youll never know unless you try.

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    Default Re: The single key core concept to "The Game"

    Just read over this thread and it's still gold. I wish I documented more of my thoughts in writing so I could go back and see how much I've improved and what turns I've made. I think I'll start blogging.

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    Default Re: The single key core concept to "The Game"

    I just skim through your post in again good stuff and you mention a lot of other topics I love that scene now ad alot about what's going on in the community and what works

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    Default Re: The single key core concept to "The Game"

    Again big Shawn seems to me like you really know what you're talking about and there's a lot of people who added to it in a precise positive manner


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