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    Default Super direct night game - akward ejection

    So I am talking to this girl basically said

    "Hey I saw you and thought you were beautiful so I wanted to come say hi"

    Was going perfectly introduced to her friend etc..

    I am confused because she seemed very attracted I was stroking her hair and was giving me physical ioi's

    So I asked if she had a boyfriend she said she didn't know what to call him (probably should have asked if it was exclusive) Instead .. I said are you happy? she said yes.. I'm like a scale from 1-10 she's like 10!!

    Then she said "I bet you were hoping I wasn't going to say that weren't you?"

    Then I go into idiot mode and said "10 being unhappy 1 being happy", then before she could change her answer to me I just focused on a girl right next to her. Who seemed very receptive, so no loss for me.

    I realize this was a childish ejection but I just didn't like how she tried to steal the frame and i don't know, I was confused I had many IOI's I couldn't believe I didn't get her.

    WTF should I have done?
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    Default Re: Super direct night game - akward ejection

    I hate the question, "Do you have a boyfriend?" You're giving the girl an out. If she hasn't played the boyfriend card already, why are you giving it to her freely?

    Anyways, once you made the mistake of asking her, she clearly gave you an out by saying I don't know what to call him. You should have just reframed and moved to a different subject. Note that she never gave any resistance, all the resistance was from what you assumed she would do based on her answer to your question.

    I think the key lesson from this approach is that people are going to throw enough obstacles your way in life, don't create your own obstacles to go with them.
    "It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything."

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    Default Re: Super direct night game - akward ejection

    Yep, never ask whether she has one.

    If she doesn't, you gave a huge ioi, and also didn't sound confident.

    If she does, same, but also you gave her a way out as Duke said. And there probably was a reason why she didn't mention him, so why would you bring him in the convo?

    And finlly, whether she has one or not, you honestly shouldn't care at all
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    Default Re: Super direct night game - akward ejection

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDuke View Post
    I hate the question, "Do you have a boyfriend?" You're giving the girl an out. If she hasn't played the boyfriend card already, why are you giving it to her freely?

    Anyways, once you made the mistake of asking her, she clearly gave you an out by saying I don't know what to call him. You should have just reframed and moved to a different subject. Note that she never gave any resistance, all the resistance was from what you assumed she would do based on her answer to your question.

    I think the key lesson from this approach is that people are going to throw enough obstacles your way in life, don't create your own obstacles to go with them.
    Yeah I was a bit too buzzed at the moment to realize it was somewhat of an out when she's like "I don't know what to call him"

    Honestly asking if they have a boyfriend isn't a part of my natural game at all I was just copying some of Sashas Daygame techniques. (are these bad)?

    She seemed at least physically interested perhaps I did make a mistake here. I was very in the moment and this disturbed the whole "in the moment" feel of it.

    Oh well not a major blunder at any rate plenty of beauties.. thanks for checking my line.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikalichov View Post
    Yep, never ask whether she has one.

    If she doesn't, you gave a huge ioi, and also didn't sound confident.

    If she does, same, but also you gave her a way out as Duke said. And there probably was a reason why she didn't mention him, so why would you bring him in the convo?

    And finlly, whether she has one or not, you honestly shouldn't care at all
    Asking if a girl has a boyfriend or not doesn't lack confidence it's just being direct.
    I already gave her a pretty decent IOI by walking up to her and saying I think she's beautiful.
    Do you have a boyfriend? --translation -- Can I fark you?

    I think more importantly it does give them a free play on the "I have a boyfriend" card.

    I defintely don't care, hence if she said anything other than 10... yeah obvious where I'm headed w/ that.
    Yeah asking if girls have boyfriend isn't natural for me I'll probably not try it too often although I have had decent results with it, it's not a great transition if they do have one to point out they aren't perfectly happy.
    Just copying other puas techniques. I'll probably pass on this one.
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    Default Re: Super direct night game - akward ejection

    Quote Originally Posted by SOUTH_FL_PUA View Post
    So I am talking to this girl basically said

    "Hey I saw you and thought you were beautiful so I wanted to come say hi"

    Was going perfectly introduced to her friend etc..

    I am confused because she seemed very attracted I was stroking her hair and was giving me physical ioi's

    So I asked if she had a boyfriend she said she didn't know what to call him (probably should have asked if it was exclusive) Instead .. I said are you happy? she said yes.. I'm like a scale from 1-10 she's like 10!!

    Then she said "I bet you were hoping I wasn't going to say that weren't you?"

    Then I go into idiot mode and said "10 being unhappy 1 being happy", then before she could change her answer to me I just focused on a girl right next to her. Who seemed very receptive, so no loss for me.

    I realize this was a childish ejection but I just didn't like how she tried to steal the frame and i don't know, I was confused I had many IOI's I couldn't believe I didn't get her.

    WTF should I have done?

    Aww dude I see where you are coming from but I really love your opener. That is a classic frame similar to what I use. Very carefully played out and that's why she gave you so many IOI's I think. On the topic of the "Do you have a boyfriend?" I have asked a Bartender this question so I am not innoncent but you are screwed essentially after that. Sometimes I can work around the BF sometimes I can't essentially it is a wall that is built between the two of you. If you bring up the BF you are willingly letting her play the BF card so why do that to yourself, I know you are sticking to your reasoning but I think this is an AFC mistake. Where is the intrigue after that? What's the point in you knowing? It just seems needy if you ask me because in the end who cares? It's her job to tell you and your job to get around it if you can. I have almost got past the BF thing more times than one so it is not entirely the kiss of death but it definitely puts you under the looking glass and you being compared the entire way through the interaction or prolonged interaction.

    Other than that this is really awkward due to the BF thing coming up. Women send mixed signals all the time. One minute they throw you 20 IOI's in a 2 day time span the next minute their BF is stalking you. Never really can trust too heavily on IOI's man. Got to escalate, test compliance, get her out, escalate more and then when she is totally compliant then you know she is into you at that point possibly. Women just love attention from men so they feed us all these IOI's then reject us with a smile and we are left so confused. Don't try to figure them out why they are so conflicted. I flirt with someone if I like them and want it to go somewhere, women are not this way who knows why they love to flirt? Maybe the attention?

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    Default Re: Super direct night game - akward ejection

    Other example: there is this girl, who was with her boyfriend the first time I met her. I went or dates with her anyway, neither I or her ever talk about the boyfriend. I basically ignore completely his existence, and she won't bring it up, even though we both know she has a boyfriend.

    Other girl, flirted a lot, went on dates, made out, got her back home, all that. Thing is, I learned after the 2nd date from a common friend that she had a boyfriend. But out of curiosity, I keep pretending I didn't know. She didn't ever mention him, not even once, and acted totally as if she was single.

    So don't ask. If she wants to tell you, she will. If she doesn't, she has her reasons, don't go against it.
    Seduction is a martial art. Reading books and talking to experts is important, and helpful. But you won't progress unless you go out there and fight.


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