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Thread: My own advice can't save me... partly

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    Default My own advice can't save me... partly

    As you all know, I can give some pretty solid advice from time to time. Usually, my advice comes from a recognition of my failures and of other people's mistakes. In addition, I usually think very often on the mechanics of the things I learn, and they evolve into a viewpoint that is based on what I think is proper etiquette when participating in the game.

    After all these months, I could say that I am a walking encyclopedia. I have read, let to sit, and digested thousands of pages of material, and I am a completely different man than I am before, and my successes have come around to shine.

    All of my guy friends are starting to hold me up to new esteem. They have been inviting me to their parties, and I am a frequent guest to their activities. Likewise, when I make plans they are quick to hop in my bandwagon. As for my personality, I can say that I am now incredibly strong-willed, but very passive when it comes to any negative happenings that may threaten my focus and positive thinking in times when I want to do so.

    However, not everything is good. Although things may be fine on the male side, the female side is certainly still terrible.

    I've been doing a lot of my game at the beach recently, and I had a success a few weeks ago with a large group. Sure, I finally made some number closes with that group, but here is the problem. They were all at the bottom of the group they were in, and their friends moved the conversation so that I was interacting with the one that they wanted me to pick. In the end, I said fark that to the girl they stuck me with, and the more attractive ones either wanted nothing to do with me, or they got at my brother.

    In addition, I've been working out on a raft that is out at the beach, and a lot of the ladies go out to it. While I'm out there, I get the crowd going with trick competitions and fun conversations. The men and the kids all think I'm the greatest, but the women want nothing to do with me. I try to get them interacting, but they always go right back to ignoring me and carrying on their own conversations. Once again, the more attractive ones went for my brother (I f*cking hate this more than anything )

    And then there's the parties. All the men at the parties think I'm chill, fun, and awesome, but the women don't even want to interact with me. Because of the body language books I read, I do interesting things like combining humor and body language readings, and then flirt with them when I can. I'm usually right with the readings, but I can never keep them. In the end, they all go to hit on the mellow pot heads in the corner of the room.

    I know exactly where my problem is. It's all in that initial pickup phase. It's all in trying to create interest, capture them, and get something out of it. However, no matter what I've studied or what I've tried, I just can't farking do it. In addition, I deeply hate my brother right now for what he is doing. Not only is he talking sh1t behind my back at work (he's created a false reputation that I'm a Nazi), but he's also pulling everybody away from me. Looks alone win it for him, and he's a dweeb in appearances. I've told him to stop with the comments, but he's just an ass who does as he pleases. I told him about the game, and he degrades me and ridicules me over that too. I don't even know what in the world I have to do in order to be successful when he's around.

    I have an incredibly troubling problem on my hands, where none of my knowledge, nor any advice I can find, can even help me on this. I don't even know where to start, and I don't know where I can look, or how I can look, to find answers.
    "There is no better than adversity. Every defeat, every heartbreak, every loss, contains its own seed, its own lesson on how to improve your performance the next time." - Malcolm X

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    Default Re: My own advice can't save me... partly

    are you sure its not your body language that failing cause u feel weaker when your brothers around and it never helps when your own bro is backstabbing, sounds like your bro is playing the the jerk which is like a pua but went that way cause he found it works better for him then when he was a frustrated chump.

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    Default Re: My own advice can't save me... partly

    Yo Swagman! You've helped me a lot in my game with your writings so I hope I can return the favor now.

    What I think is, you might be classified as an "entertainer" in your social circle. Males love other entertainer males a lot because it's so much fun and they're having a good time and the entertainers usually don't present a challenge to other males in the subject of PU. Females enjoy it a lot too but they won't commit sexually to entertainers. (I'm assuming you know this from RSD.)

    I'm not gonna give advice like: "You must Kino them bro! And stand up straight as well!" because you all know these, you do these. (You do, right?)

    I'm guessing that your overall game plan is "game everyone". It's apparent that you give significant effort to males so that you get liked by everyone and don't seem like a creepy "pick up guy".

    My suggestion might be a bit unusual but it might be what you need: Fark the males, bro. Go game chicks right off the bat. Dudes might get annoyed when they notice it, but don't be afraid. You already proved your higher status because you approached those girls when the other guys couldn't. And if the other guys try to pull those girls away from you, that won't happen because those chicks are attracted to you and won't let you go.

    I don't say, "Don't talk to dudes at all." Talk to them of course. But don't shove your higher status down their throat because girls will see this and might think like: "Ugh this guy is too much for me." Try being a bit discreet, rather silent with that awesome body language and make people wonder: "Who is this guy?"

    About your brother... Seems like an annoying case of amoging. Maybe you like opening up to him and talk about all that stuff because he's your brother. But if he's gonna have an attitude like that towards your improvement efforts, fark it, keep it to yourself and to the community.

    Many close friends of mine tried to demoralize me when I've told them about the game and when they saw I'm becoming an alpha. That is because they didn't want to give up their leadership in our social circle. It's like the fight for leadership in an animal tribe. It's primitive, but it makes sense. What I did is, I backed off, didn't talk to them for a while. And after a while they started to adapt to the new situation.

    Let me know what you think and good luck,
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    It's about who I am. Do it right here, right now.

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    Thumbs up Re: My own advice can't save me... partly

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf24 View Post
    What I think is, you might be classified as an "entertainer" in your social circle. Males love other entertainer males a lot because it's so much fun and they're having a good time and the entertainers usually don't present a challenge to other males in the subject of PU. Females enjoy it a lot too but they won't commit sexually to entertainers. (I'm assuming you know this from RSD.)

    I'm not gonna give advice like: "You must Kino them bro! And stand up straight as well!" because you all know these, you do these. (You do, right?)

    I'm guessing that your overall game plan is "game everyone". It's apparent that you give significant effort to males so that you get liked by everyone and don't seem like a creepy "pick up guy".

    My suggestion might be a bit unusual but it might be what you need: Fark the males, bro. Go game chicks right off the bat. Dudes might get annoyed when they notice it, but don't be afraid. You already proved your higher status because you approached those girls when the other guys couldn't. And if the other guys try to pull those girls away from you, that won't happen because those chicks are attracted to you and won't let you go.

    I don't say, "Don't talk to dudes at all." Talk to them of course. But don't shove your higher status down their throat because girls will see this and might think like: "Ugh this guy is too much for me." Try being a bit discreet, rather silent with that awesome body language and make people wonder: "Who is this guy?"

    Garrrrrr, that was my problem! I can't believe I forgot that from RSD I dropped the guys, focused on the girls, and instantly started seeing the results that I wanted. Of course I still take my attention away from them to other members of the group, and that gets them antsy to get my attention back.

    My most recent success was with this girl I had met out on the beach. She was silent and shy out on the raft, but I cracked her open quite easily and I got her going. If it wasn't for a good few things, I would have gotten her number. The next day she came with all of her friends and they immediately go "Oooooo, there's the lifeguard you were talking to" and she had a reaction where I just thought "Gotcha "

    I'm also holding back as of right now because I return to college in three weeks and I don't want to start anything in my hometown. I am using them for flirting, conversation and texting practice right now so when I head back to college I'm at the top of my game.

    Thanks for helping me out Wolf, wouldn't have noticed that without you
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    Default Re: My own advice can't save me... partly

    That's when I'm glad to see what this community is doing.

    As an additional input, I was worried by my tendency to always chat the girls only in any situation. Thought that I might end up being seen as this guy who's just there for the booty or something.

    But I actually got more male friends now that I'm good at hitting the ladies. All the girls love you, they treat you as the alpha, the guys treat you as the alpha too. They see you being good with the ladies, they like ladies, they hang out with you and invite you to everything. That's efficiency, right here.
    Seduction is a martial art. Reading books and talking to experts is important, and helpful. But you won't progress unless you go out there and fight.

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    Default Re: My own advice can't save me... partly

    As Wolf said, sounds like you've got a ruthless case of Entertaineritis. Tone it down. Put the pressure on them to carry the conversation by engaging deep conversations about hopes, dreams, ambitions, feelings and then use your talent for humour and flirtation to bring it back to earth when it gets too heavy.


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