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Thread: How to game girls with parents/siblings along

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    Default How to game girls with parents/siblings along

    The clothing store I work at is a decent place to meet girls, but every now and then they have a parent or brother with them. It seems in these situations that a lot of openers, negging, and Direct Game is out the door in these situations, since anything too forward would be immediately subject to scrutiny by the parent, and also because the mere proximity of a relative would make her feel awkward if she were hit on in their presence. It seems I'd have to be a lot more subtle than usual, but I'm having a hard time coming up with material to use on girls in these situations.

    Obviously i'll attempt to Isolate her if they're still walking around shopping, but thats not possible when they come to check out.

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    Default Re: How to game girls with parents/siblings along

    Treat siblings like you would the rest of the people in a group when opening a group, i.e. treat a sibling pretty much the same as if it were her and her friends. Compliment them and get in good with them, neg her. (NEG HER LIGHTLY, don't just blast her right there in front of her family or they'll all gang up on you! Only light teasing, just like the sibling who is there might do ...heck, they might even join in on it with you!) If they're particularly overbearing, like an older brother, you may have to resort to AMOG techniques, just be careful and remember that unlike regular AMOGs, she has to see this AMOG at family gatherings for the rest of her life and may even have a good sibling relationship.

    Parents are trickier. If they're cool, you could take the same approach, befriending the family, but then it can backfire because some girls are not attracted to guys their parents approve of. Others are in good with the family and look to them for approval of an outsider the same way as friends. If you can feel out their relationship early, you might be able to tell which strategy will work. Age is an issue here, too. Parents of younger girls are overprotective, Parents of girls past college age generally are like "why aren't you married yet? look at this nice boy right here..." The age of this transition and the intensity of the response varies with culture, too (some are so extreme they'll push you to try to start making grandkids right then and there! :P you know who I'm talking about...)

    You can also play the "shared secret" thing if the family is disapproving. Pass little notes back and forth or whatever. This is usually easy to do in a retail setting where there's lots of small slips of paper and pens behind the counter, and lots of pockets to slip them in (just make sure your boss doesn't find one of these notes!) If it's a slow day and you can pull it off, you can even use one of those apps on your phone that scrolls big words across the screen, and hold it up behind the family so they can't see it but she can, make sure it says something funny. Stuff like that.

    If you sense she really goes for the badboy, you may have to just ignore or blow her family off entirely. It may just get you the girl, but be prepared for later her talking your ear off about family drama. And unless your sure about the badboy thing, or that's just how you roll, then at least be cordial to her family. No need to be an a-hole. Plus, who knows, you might really hit it off with this girl and someday have to see the family on a regular basis, so unless you're sure it's going to be a short term hookup anyway, don't piss off the family.

    Ultimately, if you can keep it short and go for some sort of close quickly, the family won't be much of an issue. Try a quick email close rather than taking forever to game a number out of her.

    Like in most cases with pickup, having the confidence to go up and talk to her no matter the situation usually pays off.



    P.S. and oh yeah, don't lose your job over this sh*t, it ain't worth it. Most of this advice is general sibling/family techniques, make sure to adjust it to your environment! Go to somebody else's clothing store to pickup chicks if you have to

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    Default Re: How to game girls with parents/siblings along

    I've practiced a couple of these. I go in confidently and direct, and introduce myself to parents, cousins, aunts, uncles, etc. Pick the leader of the pack (typically dad or mom), and literally ask for their permission to hit on their daughter.

    Last one I did went like this:

    Me: Excuse me... *stopped the mom and daughter* Now this is going to sound totally random, but I'm assuming this is your mother right?

    Mom and daughter: *confused look to each other*

    Daughter: Yeah.

    Me: Hi, I'm Lonnie. *shake mother's hand* ....

    Me again: Lonnie. *shake daughter's hand and hold* As, I'm holding onto her hand, I made my intentions clear.

    Me: I actually saw you guys walking from back there, and thought she was cute, and had to introduce myself. *I forgot how I asked, but I said something along the lines of, "Can I get your permission to hit on your daughter?"*

    Mother and daughter: *Both burst out laughing and the mother starts contemplating it*

    As she's thinking I say:

    Me: I thought it'd only be polite if I asked for your permission first.

    Mother: Yeah, that is pretty polite.

    *all of this while still holding daughter's hand*

    Mother: *laughs and thinks a little more* How old are you?

    Me: 23

    From this point on the conversation doesn't matter. To make a long story short, the girl ended up being a little ass kid haha (damn hormones making girls develop fast), so I turned it into a joke and started gaming the mother instead. My morals kicked in, and so I just chose to leave after a little chatter.

    I never really recommend gaming girls as a cashier or something, just because you don't want the word to spread to your manager that you're gaming the customers. If all is fine and dandy or your manager doesn't care, just go in confidently and game on. Honestly, if I'm a cashier and the parents are around, I'd probably just ignore them if they're not right next to her, or make my intentions clear to everyone if their standing right next to her. It may not be correct, but I view it as, the higher the risk, the higher the reward. Nobody game's a girl who is with their parents. The fact that you're approaching all of them confidently could ultimately win you some major brownie points.

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    Default Re: How to game girls with parents/siblings along

    Awesome advice so far, guys. I love your story about humorously asking the parents for permission, thats hysterical. I'll try that some time.

    @Magnum, I've thought about the notes thing and you know girls would eat that "secret message" thing up. The hard part is going to be getting the note to her without being seen.

    An idea I had was to chat all of them up for a while and try to subtlely build attraction with her, and then at some point I slip her my iPhone which I have previously loaded up to the Add Contacts page, so the message is clear (give me your number) and all she has to do is put it in, and we don't have to exchange a word. However, its the first part (building attraction with relatives around) that I need to work on right now.

    Also Magnum, thats good advice on getting her e-mail instead of a number, although I would probably go for her Facebook instead.

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    Default Re: How to game girls with parents/siblings along

    Yeah, that story was pretty brilliant...and ballsy. Just how young was that girl????
    You might get away with that at 23, but if you were much older and the girl much younger, they might just slap the cuffs on you and call "to catch a predator"!

    @Magnum, I've thought about the notes thing and you know girls would eat that "secret message" thing up. The hard part is going to be getting the note to her without being seen.
    Thanks. They do!

    About getting notes out:
    Take a day at work just to observe and not game. You'll notice patterns. They're different for every store and customer type, but you'll pick up on them pretty quick. For example, there's usually some point where a group of shoppers might separate. The dressing room is a big one at clothing stores... the mom will go in to try something on and the girl will wait outside the dressing room or browses the store while her mom is in there. Perfect time to talk, if she's browsing (your boss will just think you're helping her pick out something to buy), if she's waiting, slip her a note. If you're really smart, you'll make this happen in the first place by helping the mom pick out something and then suggesting she try it on.

    If your store has another staff member at the register, and the mom goes to check out, the girl might browse, another time to talk or slip a note, but best to not start with that. Get the first note in early so there's more time to build comfort, close on the last note. Writing on the receipt or a coupon is good if the girl is checking out and the mom is browsing or oblivious. If you're really sly, you might be able to slip a note in the pocket or onto the hangar as the girl goes to the dressing room, also gives her a private place to view the note. Again, if you're using pockets, make sure to have already had a first note, so the girl knows to be looking for it, otherwise the note might stay in the pocket unnoticed until someone else finds it!

    Get creative with it.

    An idea I had was to chat all of them up for a while and try to subtlely build attraction with her, and then at some point I slip her my iPhone which I have previously loaded up to the Add Contacts page, so the message is clear (give me your number) and all she has to do is put it in, and we don't have to exchange a word. However, its the first part (building attraction with relatives around) that I need to work on right now.
    I like the idea of flirting non-verbally, looking for IOIs, and then simply walking over with the phone on add contact screen...no words exchanged whatsoever. It's confident, and also different. You know how when girls tell you their fantasies and theres always that one in there about being taken by a stranger, anonymously, no contact info exchanged, no words even spoken? Yeah. This scenario hits that switch in her head hard.

    Another option is instead of the slip of paper notes, just use your phone's notes app. When she's browsing separately, walk up with some flirty message typed into the notes screen on your phone, keyboard up to encourage her to type back. I've done this several times picking up girls in loud places or just for fun on dinner dates to keep things interesting. It works big time. It's just like the napkin or notebook paper pickups (study those, they're gold), except you don't need a pen, just your phone. This game always pushes that button girls have for shared secrets. Best thing is you have a record of the conversation saved on your phone for later reference. Not only that, she can just type her number into notes app, or you're just a tap away from contacts app, which you can pull up suggestively, as above. For further reading, I think somebody has the notebook paper pickup online under the title "how to pickup a girl without saying a word" or something like that.


    Also Magnum, thats good advice on getting her e-mail instead of a number, although I would probably go for her Facebook instead.
    Thanks, though I shouldn't claim credit myself. I don't remember who but some time ago some master PUA wrote about the email close and it upped my response rate dramatically. Email is less commitment than the number, which is important if you only talk to the girl for a couple minutes and have to go before you have a chance to fully build comfort. It's just like how the coffee date gets less flakes than the dinner date because it's lower commitment. Also, if you email back and forth and then get the number and start texting and then calling each other, it's just like when you have several changes of venue with a girl, it's a time distortion.

    As for facebook, this probably a topic for another thread, but yeah, when I first read about the email close, girls used email for work or school constantly and were just d1cking around on facebook, so they would give out email without batting an eye.

    Use whatever you want to use. Remember, it's your number/email/whatever. It's a privilege for her to have it! Often times I'll qualify her before giving my number by saying "now this is my personal number, i want to make sure you'll take good care of it", like it's a f*cking pet goldfish or something, and they eat that sh*t up.

    Sometimes when a girls ask for my facebook I'll just look at her and say directly "no. but you can text me" or "i'm too busy to answer on there, but friends know they can reach me by text" and they usually give me their number after that. So an email/FB close doesn't have to be an email/FB close, you can use its low commitment to get your foot in the door and then bait-and-switch it to a Number Close. If your text game is good, it won't matter how you got the number.

    Facebook is ok at social proof and dhv, but texting is more intimate because it always shows up on her phone, and a phone is personal, it's with her almost all the time. A call is most intimate of all (IF she picks up). Email is mostly just a bridge, but now that most people have it on their phone, it's actually better than when the email close started.

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    Default Re: How to game girls with parents/siblings along

    Quote Originally Posted by Magnum View Post
    Yeah, that story was pretty brilliant...and ballsy. Just how young was that girl????
    You might get away with that at 23, but if you were much older and the girl much younger, they might just slap the cuffs on you and call "to catch a predator"!
    She was................. ...........14!

    A freshman in highschool. Once I heard that, I called myself out for "acting like a predator and made a funny face," and they started laughing. Then I switched things over to the mom.

    Me: I see where she gets her good looks from though
    Mom: Noooo, you're just saying that
    Me: Seriously! You must be from the islands having such a vibrant color to your skin...

    etc etc etc


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