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Thread: *Being Direct, real & honest will get you more success than PUA techniques*

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    Default *Being Direct, real & honest will get you more success than PUA techniques*

    Hi all. I want to explain something that many of you will find hard to get your head around. I realise you are all caught up with this whole PUA journey where you are learning all the techniques and tactics which you believe will make you a master with women. You believe in it 100% and can't see any flaws in it.

    For a certain part of my life, in my early to mid 20s, I used to be a lot like you guys. I thought PUA was some 'magic ticket' that would get me any girl I wanted and make me into a master with women. It's easy to fall for the hype and the marketing tactics of all these so called 'PUA gurus'.

    To some extent it did work, I did date a lot of girls and certainly I improved my success with women considerably during this period of my life. But ultimately PUA left me unfulfilled and it worked erratically and inconsistently. I decided to leave PUA behind and find a better, more authentic, more efficient way of being successful with women

    In my late 20s I became an advocate of the Direct Approach. I reached the conclusion that being being Direct, real and honest yields better results and works more consistently and efficiently than PUA techniques and tactics.

    I noticed an immediate positive difference in how women responded to me when I started being Direct, real and honest with them. The beauty of Direct is it tends to quickly weed out which women are attracted to you sexually vs those who are not. It also sets the interaction off as a sexual one, rather than a platonic or entertaining one. Also, you don't need to fill your head with tons of theories and techniques, as you can be your real self.

    The philosophy behind Direct means being real and honest with women about your intentions and about who you are, without any games or manipulation, without lies, etc, and not being afraid to verablise your sexual intent to them, etc.

    Please note, I am not talking about the kind of 'direct' that a lot of PUAs claim to be. I see a lot of PUA guys using a 'pseudo' form of Direct, I.e they use Direct as a technique or tactic, or they use 'direct openers' or 'Direct Game'. True Direct is not a technique or tactic, and it is not merely an opener; direct is an entire authentic way of being that applies to all aspects of your relationships with women, not just the opener. Also, Direct is not about 'game', it's about being real, therefore the term 'direct game' is an oxymoron.

    Basically, you do not need PUA material in order to be successful with women. You do not need techniques, tactics, tricks or gimmicks. You do not need 'game'.

    What you need is to be a man, a real man, and you need to be Direct, real and honest with women, and you need to know how to get women revved up sexually with your words and demeanor.

    Good luck with your endeavors with women, and I look forward to your replies.

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    Default Re: *Being Direct, real & honest will get you more success than PUA techniq

    Quote Originally Posted by BeSillyMax View Post
    Hi all. I want to explain something that many of you will find hard to get your head around. I realise you are all caught up with this whole PUA journey where you are learning all the techniques and tactics which you believe will make you a master with women. You believe in it 100% and can't see any flaws in it.

    For a certain part of my life, in my early to mid 20s, I used to be a lot like you guys. I thought PUA was some 'magic ticket' that would get me any girl I wanted and make me into a master with women. It's easy to fall for the hype and the marketing tactics of all these so called 'PUA gurus'.

    To some extent it did work, I did date a lot of girls and certainly I improved my success with women considerably during this period of my life. But ultimately PUA left me unfulfilled and it worked erratically and inconsistently. I decided to leave PUA behind and find a better, more authentic, more efficient way of being successful with women

    In my late 20s I became an advocate of the Direct Approach. I reached the conclusion that being being Direct, real and honest yields better results and works more consistently and efficiently than PUA techniques and tactics.

    I noticed an immediate positive difference in how women responded to me when I started being Direct, real and honest with them. The beauty of Direct is it tends to quickly weed out which women are attracted to you sexually vs those who are not. It also sets the interaction off as a sexual one, rather than a platonic or entertaining one. Also, you don't need to fill your head with tons of theories and techniques, as you can be your real self.

    The philosophy behind Direct means being real and honest with women about your intentions and about who you are, without any games or manipulation, without lies, etc, and not being afraid to verablise your sexual intent to them, etc.

    Please note, I am not talking about the kind of 'direct' that a lot of PUAs claim to be. I see a lot of PUA guys using a 'pseudo' form of Direct, I.e they use Direct as a technique or tactic, or they use 'direct openers' or 'Direct Game'. True Direct is not a technique or tactic, and it is not merely an opener; direct is an entire authentic way of being that applies to all aspects of your relationships with women, not just the opener. Also, Direct is not about 'game', it's about being real, therefore the term 'direct game' is an oxymoron.

    Basically, you do not need PUA material in order to be successful with women. You do not need techniques, tactics, tricks or gimmicks. You do not need 'game'.

    What you need is to be a man, a real man, and you need to be Direct, real and honest with women, and you need to know how to get women revved up sexually with your words and demeanor.

    Good luck with your endeavors with women, and I look forward to your replies.
    Can you please give some examples of you you put your direct game into practice? Is it the true direct I see English and Australian guys like Johnny berba and Yad do where they flat out say " just saw you and wanted to tell you that you look really nice "?

    Also are you based in North America or Europe? I imagine the cultures makes a difference ?

    Very curious as I am a beginner 27 years old and want to go direct but am in North America

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    Default Re: *Being Direct, real & honest will get you more success than PUA techniq

    I agree and disagree with you. Being direct for you might not mean the same as for someone else.

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    Default Re: *Being Direct, real & honest will get you more success than PUA techniq

    I think there are various factors that make being "direct, real & honest" more or less effective. For example, I think the following things will help when you go the direct and honest route:

    * It is a time and place where the target is not used to being hit on
    * You are good looking
    * You are socially adept and can easily tell stories and carry a conversation

    The last one there I think is important, since I know there are a lot of people who will meet someone and then go completely blank at some point in the exchange, at which point any chance of success just dies an awkward death. Having canned material can lend you support at those times.

    And might I also point out that the OP's experience doing more standard PUA game probably helped him acquire more social prowess that would help him with his direct and honest approach?

    I think an ugly, introverted, and inexperienced man trying to pick up women in a bar will find the direct and honest approach very difficult to succeed with -- whereas with more standard PUA game he just has to memorize and deliver his lines well to get some results.

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    Default Re: *Being Direct, real & honest will get you more success than PUA techniq

    What you are describing sounds like the numbers game. You go into a night-club, start from one end and continue to the other until you've either talked to every woman or you've picked up one, no bs, no fancy chat, just upfront with what you are after. I've been in the company of a wingman who did this approach and he had success but he was absolutely mental, he didn't care. He was chatting up woman even when the boyfriend was there. It surprised me that he never got a beating.

    It can be done but everybody doesn't have the personality and quite frankly the balls to do this. People have different approaches, what may work for some people doesn't work for others. You need to find what you are good at and stick with it.

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    Default Re: *Being Direct, real & honest will get you more success than PUA techniq

    Being direct is great, and effective. And it is the final objective of this journey. To be confident of what you want, and to tell it directly.

    Unfortunately, this is not easy. A master of martial arts will tell you "don't focus too much on the techniques. Just follow your instincts." But these instincts come from experience, and experience comes from... the techniques.

    The final objective of this whole thing is in my opinion to actually become direct and honest and all that. "PUA" doesn't mean "a guy who does cheap magic tricks to women", it means "a guy who is able to get the women he wants". So an accomplished PUA will be direct and honest.

    But it is something difficult to achieve, and routines and openers and stuff are there to help people move toward their goal. When you analyze them better, you realize that most of the PUA techniques are actually designed to make you come as confident and direct and honest.

    negs are something that honest people will say normally. The escalation ladder is what direct people do normally. The way we teach to handle shit tests is what confident people would do, and so on.

    I am a very direct and honest person, and I often advocate saying honestly what goes through your mind as a solution to most of your issues. And it works, I get pretty good success. But I realize I reached this through PUA, and trying to apply the techniques, and integrating them to my own personality, improving my own identity and accepting it more, until I became who I am.

    So being direct is great, but it is not the opposite of the game, it is its finality.
    Seduction is a martial art. Reading books and talking to experts is important, and helpful. But you won't progress unless you go out there and fight.

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    Default Re: *Being Direct, real & honest will get you more success than PUA techniq

    That is a very inspirational speech, but you must understand that you are no longer coming from the perspective of a man who has no clue what to do.

    I've seen plenty of guys adopt the "be real and direct" philosophy. But because they don't understand a woman's world they come off as needy, awkward, and even crazy. Ever seen A Beautiful Mind with Russell Crowe? He literally walks up to a woman in a bar and states that they should skip all the hogwash and jump straight to sex. She then proceeds to slap him.

    Because he does not understand a woman's perspective his "Direct Game" failed. (I'm sure someday one woman would say yes to him. But it will be a long time and she will likely not be up to par on looks.)

    Direct and indirect are two sides to the same coin. Women can respond very well to direct game if done right. But some need a little more of a natural feeling to it. It can take a bit more time to actually build rapport with a woman by going indirect, but it is a solid game being play with little risk. Direct can skip all those preliminary steps, but you are at a higher risk for rejection. That's how it always is. Neither one is a better strategy than the other all the time.

    Men need to go through this journey of PUA. Learning all these techniques to become socially intelligent for the first time in their life. It's easy for pros to speak as if everyone should already know this stuff and should just "be yourself." But they don't know (or have forgotten) how clueless a lot of guys are when it comes to women. And "being yourself" is much easier said than done. You can't just tell a man "be confident." That's terrible advice with no substance. We need to break it down to them. So in time as he gets better he thinks less and less of the scripted techniques and becomes a new and improved version of himself. He'll think back on his journey and say "I had it all along. But I had to learn all this to find out."
    "All things are subject to interpretation. Whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth."


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