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    Default I can open and converse, but can't close.

    I have a problem, or something. I can open and converse with pretty much every lady I meet, but when it comes time to close, or I see a good opportunity to slip a n-close or something into the conversation, I just freeze up and don't say anything. I've got no idea why, and it's really starting to upset me. I've talked to 2 different ladies today that I would love to date, and I'm relatively sure both would at least give me a chance, but both times I was unable to close, even when I had a good chance to do so.

    Thoughts, anyone?

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    Default Re: I can open and converse, but can't close.

    From this I get the feeling you might have the fear of rejection, where you don't make the move for the close because you're afraid she will say no.

    Well, dude, what's the worst that can happen...she not giving you her number?

    She's already not doing that with you not asking for it in the first place.

    Go for it. What do you have to lose?
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    Default Re: I can open and converse, but can't close.

    N-Closing is not one of my sticking points personally. For me it is well nothing. Getting laid is a problem for me but I don't consider that a sticking point because that is something somewhat outside of your control. You can better control closing a girl, opening a girl, asking a girl for a Day 2 or Date and getting responses to texts is something you have more control over. But getting laid has a lot to do with attraction, comfort, and logistics which I found the best way at least for me to get laid is an extreme challenge to pull a ONS or SNL game but I realized getting laid as a long term prospect under the guise of dating and relationships is proving ever more promising as long as I am willing to invest the time and money into them. F-closing proves to be ever more challenging but like I said I figured out dating is the remedy for that.

    As far as your own personal situation N-closing is the way to go, this proves to be the most effective method to closing a girl. They are literally expecting it when you approach. I have literally successfully N-closed a girl by saying "Hey want to take a pic with me" and had her send it to my phone which was a nice subtle little N-close. Also my fastest successful N-close was in the Bar on a HB6 who approached me and I closed her in 5 minutes flat because the ioi's and attraction was all there.

    Now here is some tips. N-close the girl. Never ask. Demand.

    "Hey I want to talk you to later give me your number."
    "What's your number I gotta run or go dance."
    "It was nice meeting you maybe we can go out sometime what's your number?"
    "Give me your number so we can hang out."

    NEVER SAY
    "Umm can I have your number?"
    "What's your number?" (needs elaboration like I mentioned)
    "Can I call you sometime?"
    "Will you give me your number so we can talk?"

    N-closing is easier and one of my favorite moments in the Set because sometimes you have fun playing around and passing her sh!t tests.
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    Default Re: I can open and converse, but can't close.

    Wow. Thank you both!

    Gabriel I think you're right that I'm afraid of the response. It's a stupid thing to be afraid of, I know, but there it is.

    Mackdaddyjack, that's a totally new view on numbers for me. It never really occurred to me to phrase it as a command instead of a question.

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    Default Re: I can open and converse, but can't close.

    Here's also a good complete way to do that:
    "Give me your number, I'll text you my impression" don't be too dead serious while saying that, keep it playful and interesting.
    When you get the number don't take to long to text, break the ice soon as you can.

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    Default Re: I can open and converse, but can't close.

    Oh and years back I used to have your same problem, couldn't even accept that I might not get the number but once I worked a bit more on my inner game and practiced with more women I got over that issue and found out that a N-close is cake. It's what you make of the number when you have it that takes real game, and logistics as Mack said.


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