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    Default Banned from the mall

    Hi guys. Beginner here. My goal today was to start combating my fear of rejection. Today I went too far.

    I was inspired by youtube videos Liam McRae "25 kiss rejection challenge" and "how to get girls to kiss you in 10 seconds." In the second video the PUA repeatedly goes up to girls on the beach and asks "are you spontaneous," and then moves in for a kiss. And he gets the kiss. The girls take his approach in a good natured, non-creeped out way. I wanted to try something like that.

    For me, My goal was not to get kisses but to quickly start getting rejections. I wanted to collect 25 rejections today. I decided to use an open that would quickly get the girl to reject me. So I decided to use "hey, make out with me" as my open. I knew no girl would go for that.

    I went to a local mall. In one hour I did three approaches and got three rejections. I let lots of opportunities pass me by due to Approach Anxiety. But I opened three girls. Two shop clerks and one customer.

    In coming up with my plan, I did not consider how my approach would affect the girls. I didn't really care. I just wanted to get rejected.

    Well, I miscalculated. They did not take what I said in a good natured way. It wasn't my intention but I seriously creeped out the girls. The last girl told me I needed to leave. Then she called security. Security escorted me off the property, took a video of me and took down my license plate. I am banned from the mall property for 30 days. If I go back I will be arrested.

    OK so I went too far, ha ha. So I'm calibrating and will go out with a different plan next time.

    But on the other hand though I had a poor plan I give myself credit for trying, taking action and collecting three rejections. Which is good for my self esteem.

    I think a guy who projects alpha qualities like the guy on the beach can get away with things that a guy who projects beta cannot.

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    Default Re: Banned from the mall

    Hey man at least you went for the approach you did well.you may learn the basics on here.

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    Default Re: Banned from the mall

    I'm curious...I'm not familiar with the 25 rejections routine. Is it just to get rid of Approach Anxiety and make it so that if you are rejected in the future it wont affect you as much? Or is it for when you get rejected you will remain confident in the interaction and possibly redeem yourself? Or what?

    I'm asking as it seems more productive to approach women with you best material trying not to get rejected and then stop after 25 successful interactions.

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    Default Re: Banned from the mall

    Quote Originally Posted by OG_PlMP View Post
    Is it just to get rid of Approach Anxiety and make it so that if you are rejected in the future it wont affect you as much?
    Yes, that's it. get rejected and then the interaction is over. Feel the rejection and Then move on to the next rejection. Not trying to get anything from the girl. That's my version of the way I was playing this game. Just one starter exercise to force myself to face rejection rapidly.

    In The video that inspired me, the PUA did play the game differently to move forward in the productive way you mentioned, bringing his best game and trying to get the k close. I'm not at the point where I can even talk to women yet, or even men actually, let alone do that, my mind is blank and I have nothing to say to anyone, so I guess you could say with this exercise I am more working on my inner game and approaching and that's it. I plan to challenge myself with more exercises in the future such as where I try to talk with the help of canned material and get a phone number and onward and upward.
    Last edited by Markus721; 10-08-2013 at 10:05 PM. Reason: forgot something

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    Default Re: Banned from the mall

    Quote Originally Posted by Markus721 View Post
    Hi guys. Beginner here. My goal today was to start combating my fear of rejection. Today I went too far.

    I was inspired by youtube videos Liam McRae "25 kiss rejection challenge" and "how to get girls to kiss you in 10 seconds." In the second video the PUA repeatedly goes up to girls on the beach and asks "are you spontaneous," and then moves in for a kiss. And he gets the kiss. The girls take his approach in a good natured, non-creeped out way. I wanted to try something like that.

    For me, My goal was not to get kisses but to quickly start getting rejections. I wanted to collect 25 rejections today. I decided to use an open that would quickly get the girl to reject me. So I decided to use "hey, make out with me" as my open. I knew no girl would go for that.

    I went to a local mall. In one hour I did three approaches and got three rejections. I let lots of opportunities pass me by due to Approach Anxiety. But I opened three girls. Two shop clerks and one customer.

    In coming up with my plan, I did not consider how my approach would affect the girls. I didn't really care. I just wanted to get rejected.

    Well, I miscalculated. They did not take what I said in a good natured way. It wasn't my intention but I seriously creeped out the girls. The last girl told me I needed to leave. Then she called security. Security escorted me off the property, took a video of me and took down my license plate. I am banned from the mall property for 30 days. If I go back I will be arrested.

    OK so I went too far, ha ha. So I'm calibrating and will go out with a different plan next time.

    But on the other hand though I had a poor plan I give myself credit for trying, taking action and collecting three rejections. Which is good for my self esteem.

    I think a guy who projects alpha qualities like the guy on the beach can get away with things that a guy who projects beta cannot.

    Dude this is why I never recommend hitting on girls in Indoor Malls! Man oh man I preach so much on here on how strongly I believe in Outdoor Malls due to less social conditioning and so forth but dude you got served! I keep telling guys NOT to do Indoor Malls but they don't believe me and this is what happens. Not only here either I have heard of the same thing happening of PUA's getting banned and thrown out of Indoor Malls for that kind of stuff on other forums. You need to think "Is this socially acceptable or not?" That there lies your greatest intuition and just follow your gut. Indoor Malls are great date locations but not pick up locations. I wrote up the target rich locals in Project Iceshield Part 1 for this very reason in the "How to Talk to Girls" section.


    Again I will repeat DON'T do Indoor Malls that is for Advanced, Advanced, Advanced peeps who got skills. Yes granted a girl in the Buckle one time or actually two times were flirting with me one lowered her shirt revealing her bust and I failed to close but the other I creeped the fark out. You need to try Outdoor Malls son. Going for rejections is not a wise idea either. You need to go for the girl's number that's the process for gaming. You don't set yourself up to fail I don't know why anyone would want to do this. I get enough rejections when I go out that I don't have to go looking for them. You will handle rejection the best when you are at your best not when you are out training yourself for handling the failure. Just keep that in mind and remember PUA's don't do this stuff and we go for the gold we don't go for the fail. You need to focus on what really matters and that is getting validation. Forget what that guy did on the beach. Real PUA's don't do that jazz. Make Outs are complicated and need calibration not just running a bunch of randoms. Now ask yourself "How does this help my game?" it's not helping you bro. You need to go for the kiss when the time is right. You'll know when the time is right. Try Bars and Clubs for fast escalation to get make outs. Every PUA knows it is harder to escalate doing day game and you are carousing in broad day light asking for trouble. You need to build a social network and a good reputation for yourself with your local peers and female bystanders and you are doing the opposite. You approach, you close, you go for the kiss on the close doing Night Game that's the way we play. You don't escalate doing Day Game unless very, very calibrated son.
    101 Sets, 30 #'s, 4 K-closes, 1 Date, 1 Bar Pull. My next adventure starts Summer 2014 at the Brewfest, Water Park, Bars, Clubs, etc. Getting Hotels now to prevent driving drunk so really only 2-3 times a month doing Night Game June-Oct. Lots of Day Game.

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    Default Re: Banned from the mall

    Why are you Practicing by trying to get rejected? Try actually trying to do well, The rejections will come and you'll still get better at times. It accomplishes the same thing without you practicing the wrong way and building up bad habbits. Perfect Practice makes perfect.

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    Default Re: Banned from the mall

    Noctis, Eli and OG thanks a lot for correcting me and steering me in the right direction. The ideas you put forth were completely new to me. I'm going to read the Project Iceshield writeups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markus721 View Post
    Noctis, Eli and OG thanks a lot for correcting me and steering me in the right direction. The ideas you put forth were completely new to me. I'm going to read the Project Iceshield writeups.
    We just would like to see you build the correct Mindset and have the correct frame going into set. I feel very strongly because I don't want to see you fail. Basically there is things within your control that you can change, that is the good news.

    On that note this is not a field trip more like a marathon. It is not play time or social hour more like a debate or battle. What I am saying is you MUST take it seriously because you will be seriously shut down for those reasons of not taking it seriously. You can still be light hearted but again with what is socially accepted.

    You go into this for real not for kicks. You have to have your wits about you and make the right approaches and make your approaches count. You don't want to throw up bad numbers but numbers that stick. Basically you could be kicked out of the Bars, Clubs, Water Parks, any place for acting completely Gung Ho or out of sync with what is accepted in society. So you have to comply with the general flow of what is socially accepted and not get too wild when approaching women. You can get wild with women but at the right moments in the right headspace. Women will praise you when you show true character and punish you when you fail.
    101 Sets, 30 #'s, 4 K-closes, 1 Date, 1 Bar Pull. My next adventure starts Summer 2014 at the Brewfest, Water Park, Bars, Clubs, etc. Getting Hotels now to prevent driving drunk so really only 2-3 times a month doing Night Game June-Oct. Lots of Day Game.

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    Default Re: Banned from the mall

    while i'm not inputting in this thread, did they watch you get in your car or did they want your license/rego to ban you?

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    they didn't ask for my DL/Rego, but they watched me get in my car and drive away and as I did they radioed my license plate to their dispatch.


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