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Thread: Shakedown with Hired Gun incoming

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    Default Shakedown with Hired Gun incoming

    Okay I am going to be stepping back into the arena at one of my most feared venues. Dun dun dun "The Buckle". I know sounds silly right? However I got into the game for getting shut down in this very venue because an HB9 Attendant there shut..me..down..hard . Just ice cold. Got a failed N-close 2 years ago and still had oneitis after that and wrote her a love letter. Gave it to her and a day later said "I'll see you later Laura" she said "Don't you understand? I am not Interested! At all!!" The Buckle guy that worked there had bug eyes like 0_o wha just happened kind of deal. Then I got into The Game after my Church Guy friends couldn't help me because they didn't understand Game either to explain it to me or help me out. So thus my PUA journey was born. Then a little while after I tried N-closing a new Buckle girl and got shut down! But a little less hard that time and she actually started the flirting! Laura never flirted with me or smiled likely because all I did was overqualify, get nervous, qualify more, fail harder, etc. Yeah Church Guys don't understand game because they are not PUA's that's why I come on here cuz you guys know what's up. I just don't talk about game with them anymore just easier that way.

    That was just a simple build to bring me to my next question. You guys know my Night Game is stellar and I am out there as a hero at night and sprinkling a little bit of day game here and there but going all out on Day Game next year however....

    I'm stepping back into the ring (And I hate to say this but) with a Hired Gun. I thought I had given it the boot but then I think I decided to reboot. Like I said my Night Game is getting solid barely need help there and have a good Gameplan for next year on Day Game don't need much help there but man these Hired Guns (and HB10's) rock my world (well not literally but yes literally) so anyways I think I will do really well on my Day Game and Night Game plan next year but I need help with a HB8 from the Buckle I am going to see in a couple of days (granted she still works there). Left a huge hook last time feel it was a good impression. So my questions are

    Openers?
    How should I handle it?
    Ways to flirt without being creepy? (I have really creeped The Buckle Chicks out)

    I know it sounds silly but this is WHY (well not specially WHY but would be nice to make some progress) I got into The Game to begin with so I don't need help in many areas but some areas I still do and any advice appreciated. I am supposed to go there this Thursday and Friday to buy clothes for my Phase 1 Outer Game project so I would like to knock out two birds with one stone. Remember The Buckle chicks because they are Hired Guns spook easily and I keep creeping them out through love letters, oneitis, clingy behavior, over qualifying, N-closes with no comfort, etc. So I have to handle these differently or get shut down again hard. If I had to learn the hard way well so be it but enlighten me. So it's an incoming shakedown in a few days from now and last saw her my last check 2 weeks ago, I haven't been back in to avoid creeping on her and getting oneitis.

    The Deal
    *I have to talk to her (I have been field testing girls I like hate being ignored in the get go when we are not tiring of one another so it is crucial in the early phase to establish rapport and all that jazz)
    *I have to flirt (Another field tested theory for Hired Guns or she will be bored and write me off)
    *I have to somehow not be too needy or frank in my intent

    Any suggestions how to do this would be great but I think FB closing is too low value to me right now as it might get me Friend Zoned as that is my gut feeling with this one. I know this is a tough one but you guys are good at expressing your opinions so anything helps at this point.
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    Default Re: Shakedown with Hired Gun incoming

    Had a nice long post written up along with a sample convo I had with a Hired Gun a couple of days ago. I accidently back paged on my phone and lost the entire message I just spent 20 minutes typing up. I'll edit this later when I feel like retyping it.


    Edit:

    Opener: Make an observation about her or what she's doing, and use that as your opener
    What to do: Do exactly the opposite of what you said you shouldn't do. No lover letters, no over qualifying, no creepy behavior, etc. The biggest sticking point when talking to a hired gun should always be being different. You want to be different than the 1000 other customers she sees daily, so the more unique the opener the better. Lastly, DON'T be afraid of rejection.

    I'll leave you with a sample conversation I had with a hired gun a couple of days ago. It was at Kohl's and I wasn't even trying to make the approach. I was just going to shoot out a compliment and move on with my life, but it turned into a convo. I did NOTHING spectacular and came out with the number. She was folding and putting clothes away.

    Me: *walking by* Your haircut is freakin awesome!
    Her: *laughing* Thanks! It shocked the life out of my mom.
    Me: Haha that's always fun, what happened?
    Her: *tells me story about how it shocked her mom*
    Me: *I laugh, acknowledge, and then dhv myself by telling her I'm a barber, which is true*
    Her: Your a barber!? That's really cool.
    Me: *I tell her a funny story about how I purposely gave myself a funny hair cut just to be stupid.*
    Her: *laughing hard* I wish I could have seen it
    Me: Yeah, it was terrible. Did you cut your own hair?
    Her: Yeah, I'm a hairstylist blah blah blah blah blah
    Me: Wow, you just won yourself some cool point *hi 5* You have this whole creative look to you kind of like a hipster artist.
    Her: Yeah! Art is my passion! blah blah blah *goes into a story about the kind of art she does*
    Me: *I purposely misunderstand the kind of art she's talking about just so she can keep talking, and invest more into the convo*
    Her: *explains in detail about the art*
    Me: *I don't transition and just ask her if she has any other creative plans in the near future*
    Her: Just Kohl's for now while I'm in school.
    Me: *being stupid* Well that's a relief, I thought you'd be after world domination.
    Her: *laughs*
    Me: You know like take over Kohl's, then Walmart, and then the world!
    Her: I doubt Walmart would hire me dressing like this. (she was dressed really fashionably)
    Me: Their loss, I'd hire you in heartbeat. As a matter of fact, I'd date you.
    Her: *shocked look in her face* What's your name?
    Me: Lonnie and yours?
    Her: A-----
    Me: Very nice to meet you A----- *shake hands* but I'm heading out
    Her: I work here all the time so make sure you stop back in and find me
    Me: *playing hard to get* We'll see, I rarely come here so....
    Her: Well here then *gives me her number*
    Me: blah blah blah blah

    Hope this helped. My point was I did nothing flashy. I just made sure to have powerful eye contact, and God like Body language. I talked about her interests and then expanded upon them. I opened with a simple observation. Me telling her I would date her could come off as needy if not done correctly, but based no my voice tonality, and me not being nervous, it came off as confident, flirty, and ALPHA. Also, since I wasn't after anything, I naturally projected that. I wasn't even going to go for her number because I simply didn't feel like it, and she picked up on that. It worked in my favor because it made her wonder if I liked her or not, thus forcing her to give me her number or risk never talking to me again. I know I know, I'm just that damned charming.

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    Default Re: Shakedown with Hired Gun incoming

    Absolutely epic lilsting. This helps a lot. Wow so impressive how you handled that Hired Gun like a rockstar I was just in awe when I read this. Yeah my game is really good doing cold approach you know in more "mutual" terms but Hired Guns are so hard! You opened my eyes a little but yeah well done I'll try to mimic this somewhat but may have to try the Long Game if I am not getting anywhere with her when I see her this week (if she is still there).
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    Default Re: Shakedown with Hired Gun incoming

    I appreciate man. Just know that with Hired Guns, you NEVER want to over extend your stay. Whether they want you to stay or not doesn't matter, they have a job to do so let them do it. Get in, chat her up, and bounce.

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    Default Re: Shakedown with Hired Gun incoming

    Quote Originally Posted by lilsting View Post
    I appreciate man. Just know that with Hired Guns, you NEVER want to over extend your stay. Whether they want you to stay or not doesn't matter, they have a job to do so let them do it. Get in, chat her up, and bounce.

    That's incredible I must say. Very important parts. I need to follow my heart and only stay as long as I want and not extend it to dork around or something like you said. Yes I definitely extended my stay with Laura and it made the situation very awkward. It sounds like I am going to be figuratively running and gunning with the Hired Gun. Like in, out, BAM, big value, BIG impressions, just bing bang boom. I'll try that out sounds like a fabulous idea since I just sat around forever with Laura twiddling my thumps waiting for her to like me (thinking hurry up and wait, hurry up and wait maybe you will feel confident maybe in 10 more minutes...)and extended my stay wayyyy too long. Will remember this, very helpful.
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