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    Thumbs up Conversational Mastery: Part 1

    Hey guys
    Not long ago I realized that I cannot follow another GURU's personal conversation style (Ex. Mystery and others) for the very simple reason that it's not MY style, and like a pool filled with concrete, I just can't get into it...

    I agree with a lot of the essential material, but it's obvious that I must create something that works for me...so I decided to formulate my own Conversation Manual personal experience as well as some tips gathered from pros


    The 3 stages will be "Introduction, Attraction/Rapport and Seduction" I know this may sound a whole lot like the M3 model but trust me, I am making this from heart and from field experience

    I wanted to make sure I keep it simple, easy to remember but still as effective as possible.


    Please comment on anything I can change and if this worked for you if you tried it out! I hope to be reporting on it as I gather field reports


    A - Purpose/ Goal

    In order to succeed in anything, you need clear goal or directive.
    Realize WHY do you want to approach her and WHAT is the end result you want to achieve

    Note:
    Donít focus in the far future (Dating, Relationship), first you need to find out if you even like this girl
    Commit, if you want results, donít chicken out half-way

    Example:
    Ask her for the time
    Complement her fashion sense
    Let her know you find her attractive and want to meet up for coffee


    B - Opening/ Approach

    Now that you know what is your goal, think of the best way to approach her and begin social interaction

    Note:
    Notice your/her surrounding and current Mindset (is she reading, is she out with friends)
    Think of how can you connect your Purpose/Goal to your Approach
    Remember, good Body Language, Smile, Eye Contact

    Example:
    Pass casually by and ask the question
    Make a statement/ cold read about her
    Ask for her opinion/ thoughts on an ACTUAL problem/situation you have

    C - Demonstrate Value

    Demonstrate value and confidence by using Kino and a brief statement about yourself
    Itís important to know that youíre putting yourself out there, but she may still not be interested

    Note:
    Think of qualities you would like to display
    Donít try to Impress her with your Job, Money, Car, etc
    Thereís no loss to you at this point, if she bites, great, if she doesnít, you havenít lost anything

    Ex:
    After asking the time, mention youíre meeting friends for a jog/speaking at a conference/going to a book club meeting
    This shows youíre athletic/ confident speaker/an artistic, avid reader
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    Default Re: Conversational Mastery: Part 1

    First off I like this thread though I know you are trying I still think this conceptual outline is half-baked. Not critiquing your style since I don't know your game full swing so here's a few tips.

    **Asking a girl for the time- So 2000's. I remember hearing about this on the old How to be a Player websites. This is an outdated method that needs to be retired. It is a conversation starter that goes nowhere and girls I talk to are so on the ball they will give you the boot if ou show up for practice and not to play the big game.

    Instead of asking for her name or the time which are terrible conversation starters it is even better to open with a flirty NEG, a ping test, a situational indirect opener, a hopeless romantic opener, a heartless direct opener (direct compliment laced with jerky confidence), cocky funny, etc. Yeah something you will learn about me is I am real heavy on openers and you can't go in weak or outdated unless you are in the mood to start off on the wrong foot. Even being outdated in my mid-game (music topics) has killed the set and run it into the ground quick with no recovery methods retrievable.

    **Compliment her fashion sense
    Again compliments are a win as long as they are unique and a segway to something more (not a last hope kind of option of no follow through material but a knowing of convo developing) like to PING her for something more in depth you are about to ask.

    **Let her know you find her attractive and ask to meet for coffee
    Again Coffee is another outdated concept that will get you the shaft. My last coffee date was the most boring thing ever back in 2007 and I don't plan on repeating. But my date at the Holiday Event? Epic! Best.Date.Ever.

    Stage 1 Purpose/Goal
    I like your concept here and more easier to remember since like you said it is a concrete pool out there. Love Mystery but he has such a laundry list I can't remember hardly any of it! But I do remember bits and pieces which means he was my source for inspiration starting out and still is.

    This stage you mentioned is so utterly crucial like I say. The reason why is because most times I am groping about in the Night desperately searching for validation (but I am getting better) and running circles during the day doing day game to get a girl to like me (again validation seeking).

    This reminds me of having goals for an inteaction prior to opening, prior to going out, prior to engaging. This will help me tons! Will try this out! Other than that yeah really not feeling the whole Stage 2 & 3. However I think Mystery's model is pretty much set in stone and pretty hard to find holes in it just have a hard time remembering it all.

    But as far as the actual thread I am starting a "Shock & Awe" campaign next year for my openers, handling rejections, and how to better transition/better increase attraction.

    I am compiling data in my downtime (off season for colder months) on some Hairstylists, Church Girls, and The Buckle Chicks that is why I cannot disclose the information till "Shock & Awe" is launched next June when I start Cold Approaching again on a serious level. But yeah I would say back to the drawing board mate but if it works for you great if not great. But either way liked a lot of it just my style is different and girls would give me looks of death, want me to drop dead, and shut me down if I practiced some of the things you mentioned here. Keep on keeping on. Better you guys hear it from me since I am so gracious than some ice cold female ready to eat your heart out and serve you up to the vultures (rare but it happens and it has happened to me at Church, at the Club, at the Buckle) More on this stuff to come.
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    Exclamation Re: Conversational Mastery: Part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisCaelumPUA View Post
    First off I like this thread though I know you are trying I still think this conceptual outline is half-baked. Not critiquing your style since I don't know your game full swing so here's a few tips.

    **Asking a girl for the time- So 2000's. ....
    Ok, I guess I should have explained this a bit further...I was trying to keep my post short and to the point...

    First of all, when I mentioned things like "ask for the time, etc" those are "EXAMPLES". I don't believe in routines or canned material, and strongly encourage people to come up with their own things to say. I was merely trying to illustrate a point. I never used these and by no mean did I suggest people followed my examples. Just use as a frame of reference

    I have actually been watching some of Nick Sparks videos on YouTube (Sorry I cannot post links yet), and I do like the way he shows that most of these "PUA Gurus" make things look harder than it actually is...
    I like the way he says "Rejection is part of the game" and to just go and "Drop a hook", see if she bites, great. If a woman is even remotely interested, she will make the convo easier. You just need to have some good conversation skills, don't insert your foot in your mouth and you won't ruin your chances

    Second of all, this is a personal project based on my own experieces, the reason for splitting it into 3 Phases is for the benefit of me remembering/removing what works from what doesn't, and it has actually got me some success.
    I know Mistery has his charm, and I knew this may have been mistaken for an attempt to rewrite his Model, but honestly I just wanted to share a personal experience, hoping someone could benefit!

    And last but not least, with all due respect, PLEASE advertise your Campaign on another thread! I mean seriously, start your own thread!! I posted this hoping to help some people and perhaps get some feedback,
    But in the end I should have known better than to post on this site, I must admit that only rare times do I get honest help and sound advice.
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    Default Re: Conversational Mastery: Part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackSheep View Post
    Ok, I guess I should have explained this a bit further...I was trying to keep my post short and to the point...

    First of all, when I mentioned things like "ask for the time, etc" those are "EXAMPLES". I don't believe in routines or canned material, and strongly encourage people to come up with their own things to say. I was merely trying to illustrate a point. I never used these and by no mean did I suggest people followed my examples. Just use as a frame of reference

    I have actually been watching some of Nick Sparks videos on YouTube (Sorry I cannot post links yet), and I do like the way he shows that most of these "PUA Gurus" make things look harder than it actually is...
    I like the way he says "Rejection is part of the game" and to just go and "Drop a hook", see if she bites, great. If a woman is even remotely interested, she will make the convo easier. You just need to have some good conversation skills, don't insert your foot in your mouth and you won't ruin your chances

    Second of all, this is a personal project based on my own experieces, the reason for splitting it into 3 Phases is for the benefit of me remembering/removing what works from what doesn't, and it has actually got me some success.
    I know Mistery has his charm, and I knew this may have been mistaken for an attempt to rewrite his Model, but honestly I just wanted to share a personal experience, hoping someone could benefit!

    And last but not least, with all due respect, PLEASE advertise your Campaign on another thread! I mean seriously, start your own thread!! I posted this hoping to help some people and perhaps get some feedback,
    But in the end I should have known better than to post on this site, I must admit that only rare times do I get honest help and sound advice.
    Great way to prove your point there slick by looking like a douche. Wow you are a very offensive person good luck not getting modded or banned. Why are you on here exactly? To whine and complain and get your way? You just invalidated yourself not listening to what I said but I listened to what you said and you just can't give me the same courteousy. Then you say you shouldn't expect sound advice from anyone on here? Wow, umm prepare to piss people off. You are really that arrogant? Well good for you, you sound like a real winner.
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    Exclamation Re: Conversational Mastery: Part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisCaelumPUA View Post
    Great way to prove your point there slick by looking like a douche. Wow you are a very offensive person good luck not getting modded or banned. Why are you ......
    Actually, If you read my reply *CAREFULLY*, you'll see I'm not being rude at all, I am merely providing a more detailed explanation about the original Post. If you decided to take it personal, I cannot apologize for that

    I actually appreciated your more useful feedback such as "Stage 1 Purpose/Goal - I like your concept here and more easier to remember" and "The reason why is because most times I am groping about in the Night desperately searching for validation"

    I was actually looking for feedback on the actual Steps "Purpose, Approach, DV", if they were sound and made sense to others...I did not ask for you to bash the EXAMPLES I put up for reference like a righteous know it all.

    I could actually argue that for a new member, you are actually very rude and conceited. Advertising your Shock and Awe material like some successful future product you'll be releasing! That is absolutely NOT the feedback members need at all!

    I you look at my past threads, ever since I joined I've been working on improving conversation and posting back my findings.

    So the real question is, seriously, Why are you here!?
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