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    Exclamation Re: TheDuke’s Guide to Mixed Sets and Practical AMOGing

    Great reply!

    I am talking about his girlfriend(IME it is 90% BF/GF, so I don't even assume they were just friends, because if they are BF & GF, does that make her any less pretty? No. Most guys eject at that point, a path I cannot condone)

    The problem with your categories is that they are a theory. You think that the cooperator is better than another guy who is no cooperator. This is a limiting belief. Just like "If you are no PUA you are an AFC". This results in always trying to avoid behaviors to not appear as what people defined as weak aka AFC.

    From my experience, violence solves everything. Some guy is calm, you go in with a violent vibe(the bouncer vibe), he tries to increase your value, you simply ignore him and talk to your target. He - according to your theory - shows you his back, you appreciate that and talk to the woman even more, so his exclude-him-from-the-group method did not work. Also, he'd have to face the girl, but who is facing the girl? You. So he's a bystander, trying to punish you with ignoring you. But an aggressive guy doesn't care about those signs.

    I am certainly no bouncer type. I was recently going into a mixed set all sweaty, trying to start a conversation about where to go to do X - it was my third intentional approach of mixed sets in my life(I am totally scared of other men with girlfriends). He named some places and was totally nice about it. Afterwards, it pissed me off that he wasn't at least a little bit uneasy. But I presume it's because of my asexual vibe and lack of aggression.

    But instead of saying "cool man, you deserve her because you have more value than me I go to other girls hoping they'll accept a lower value guy like me because man, you are a cooperator. I adore you.(speaking of putting men on a pedestal)", I realize that your categories haven't helped me yet. They would only be useful if you had a way of treating EVERY personality type(forget abundance for a moment).

    If I had been aggressive then and there I wouldn't have even asked him for places but gone right to her and talked to her(about what, btw? What do you talk to the woman in that moment about when you approach her directly and don't care about the guy).

    You say, the cooperator is to be aspired. I disagree. The same way being a PUA is not to be aspired. Or being "a man".

    I say that because many people put theories out there and claim them to be the truth. They are not. They can only be your truth. Why are your categories true for you? And in how far do they help you if you notice you are dealing with an "even" guy.(Because it's like saying "the other guy is more muscular than me, I'll lose the fight anyways, I don't even defend myself).



    I appreciate your reply.

    All the best

    PS: IME the abundance mentality is a lie, as there is no abundance of HOT women at all. There is just an abundance of women who are either harming/cutting themselves and others(you won't believe how many normally looking women I met that turned out to cut themselves) or being unattractive or in a self-proclaimed "committed relationship".

    PPS: I'd really appreciate you giving some topics to talk about to her next to him.

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    Default Re: TheDuke’s Guide to Mixed Sets and Practical AMOGing

    First off, it sounds like you're very bitter from your interactions with women. You won't be successful if you approach interactions from that perspective.

    Second, of course this is just a theory, but a theory that is testable and verifiable. Moreover, it is based on solid research from other areas of science and game theory. I gave several books that you can read that support what I have said. I particularly implore you to read the Evolution of Cooperation, which is a study on game theory that provides an excellent basis for anyone looking to get ahead in life.

    Third, I can understand why you'd believe aggression and violence solves problems. I imagine that your interactions throughout your life have been dominated by aggressive males. This suggests to me that you've shown a weakness and made yourself vulnerable to this kind of behavior.

    Being a cooperator is the ultimate strategy. This is not just my "theory," but a position that has been verified through strenuous testing. However, you have misinterpreted what the cooperator is. For instance, you suggest that you could deal with a cooperator by violently approaching a woman and ignoring the cooperator, and in return the cooperator will just ignore you. But that's not how a cooperator would handle that situation. Like I said before:

    A cooperator will cooperate until provoked.

    In this case, ignoring you would be akin to cooperating. So let me tell you how I would handle this situation. I would simply take the girl by the hand and lead her somewhere else. This works well for me for two reasons: (1) I'm a big guy and most rational people aren't going to escalate with me physically, and (2) a guy who chooses to escalate physically is going to quickly lose all value because the bouncers and/or police are going to have his face pushed into the cement--ever try picking up a girl while choking on the floor with your hands cuffed? Basically, if a guy isn't going to cooperate with me, I'm not going to cooperate with him.

    The difference between the cooperator and the other categories is that the cooperator is going to adapt his methodology to meet the factors of his surrounding environment.

    Also, this "limiting belief" bullshit you're going on about is nonsense. My advice to you is to disregard the concept of limiting belief, not because it isn't true, but because most people don't understand it and you are no exception. Lots of people who want to pick up women will make statements like, "I'm fine the way I am, and it's my limiting beliefs that are causing my failures." They use this concept as a rationale for not changing and not growing. If I were you, I would approach things with this mentality: There are things that work, and there are things that don't work, and I will strive to find and internalize the things that do work.

    Finally, if all the women you are hanging around are self-harming and prone to destructive behavior, then your not hanging around the right women/people/places. Take responsibility for yourself.
    "It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything."

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    I am not bitter from my interactions with women.

    Evolution of Cooperation talks around Tit for Tat which is the model you described. I am not against theories as long as they are thought through and helpful. Your model is based on patronizing. Someone wants to accomplish his goal and the cooperator tries to patronize him, discipline him. That works until the cooperator catches a verbal or physical punch from the aggressor. By no later than the situation is over the aggressor realizes that he was taken advantage of and will retaliate. So your method is an approach for short-term illusion(pumping up his ego till he notices that he is being tooled). If this should be the ultimate goal of manhood, it is short-sighted.

    I am 5'11, I am not jacked. That's enough for people to assume weakness, it's no act of showing weakness as in proactively contributing to it. I myself perceive physically weaker people than me as less, so other men do the same with me. It's human biology that can only be interrupted by external help from peers(which of course is rarely available to those being physically weak) or stereoids/very hard work at the gym. And physical weakness usually begets mental weakness.

    If a cooperator is being provoked what is the worst, he can do? Right. Use physical violence. And the aggressor is already there. So what it comes down to is physical superiority as unfair as it is.

    I would simply take the girl by the hand and lead her somewhere else.
    You always assume physical inferiority. So if you take the girl and lead her and the aggressor simply stands in your way or just makes out with the girl why you are standing there awkwardly holding her hand, you again can only use violence(no bouncer will throw a guy out because he makes out with a girl).

    So lastly, it is all about physical superiority and nothing else. You prove me right by saying that you are "a big guy".

    But this is a huge problem for me because most times I am physically inferior. And you know that even in martial arts there are weight classes because being welterweight fighting bamtamweight won't fly. I am stating those facts above to prove my point but it does not help me personally, so I want to draw the attention back to what helps me personally.

    So the question is, how do I - being physically inferior - get the girl off of someone who happens to be what you call "a cooperator". Yes, you are a big guy and yes, you would "kill me" if I took "your" girl(this is how your tone comes across) but put yourself into my shoes for a moment and look at it from there.

    Limiting beliefs are no bullshit at all. Speaking of grasping what it means, limiting beliefs are assumptions about the world that hold you back. There are things that work but you don't do them because you think you couldn't handle the consequences. Knowing that something works is something different than believing you couldn't handle it. You compare apples and oranges.

    I take responsibility for myself by approaching women I find attractive on the street. All women you seem to meet are just perfect, no flaw whatsoever. All they do is wait for you to approach, and your approach is - of course - also completely flawless. How do you meet those awesome people and how do you do that? Share your wisdom with us!

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    Default Re: TheDuke’s Guide to Mixed Sets and Practical AMOGing

    You talk about limiting beliefs in one breath and then talk about being limited by your physical stature in another.

    Your theories of physicality are true, if we lived in a primitive world where there were no limits on getting violent with other people. But we don't. There are laws and rules of society which prevent people from getting violent.

    Everyday you see physically weaker guys with super attractive women. I have watched countless guys use the methods I describe in this thread with great success.

    Many guys suffer with the thoughts that they are limited by their size, but in modern society, size is no longer a major marker of Social Status.
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    Default Re: TheDuke’s Guide to Mixed Sets and Practical AMOGing

    I've been applying these tactics with non-mixed sets recently where there is a Mother Hen type. They are particularly useful where you have a very aggressive girl who isn't great looking (obviously because flattery doesn't work great with HBs).

    I was also thinking about the mechanics of why this works so well and I stumbled across a some new thoughts. When you "befriend" the alpha of a group you are essentially increasing your value to second highest in the group. The alpha isn't going to object (yet) because you're not threatening them, and the others in the group won't likely object because they take their cues from the alpha. This gives you the opportunity to establish your self in the group and rally support until you're ready to throw a coup on the alpha.

    It's a dog eat dog world out there, might as well eat up!
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    Default Re: TheDuke’s Guide to Mixed Sets and Practical AMOGing

    I found a video from The 21 Convention that really goes into a lot of the stuff that I state in this thread. Take a look at this video and figure out how it relates to what I've said in this thread.

    In the first 10 minutes, Nick Sparks really goes into detail about how a cooperator will deal with an AMOG and he also explores how other personality types will deal with it. For those of you who are interested in this kind of think, I highly suggest reading through this thread and taking a look at this video.

    Edit: The end of his story from the first ten minutes happens at about 51:00 minutes in.
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    Default Re: TheDuke’s Guide to Mixed Sets and Practical AMOGing

    I JUST watched that same video 3 nights ago!
    ;o)

    I was browsing Youtube via the app on Xbox, because it'll auto-play more videos in the same list / set, and I came across this one.

    Nick & Christian don't get talked about as much as other guys do... but their whole style is very similar to mine, so I REALLY dig what these guys have to say.

    Good share my friend!


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