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    Default TheDuke’s Guide to Mixed Sets and Practical AMOGing

    So I’ve been a member of this forum for almost a year now, and it has helped me in so many ways. After a difficult breakup I was in ruins and the members of this forum and the invaluable information helped pull me through. Big thanks to members like t-mal, SuaveKino, Batman, meteora, linking and many others, who have provided endless help and support on this journey. With all that in mind, I wanted to give something back to this community and dealing with mixed sets is definitely my strongest skillset.

    So without further ado, I give to you TheDuke’s Guide to Mixed Sets and Practical amoging

    Contents
    1. Introduction
    2. Understanding the Dynamics of a Mixed Set
    3. Approaching a Mixed Set
    4. Controlling the Set
    5. Practical AMOGing
    6. Advanced Game: Mixed Sets with a Wing
    7. Conclusion


    1. Introduction

    Imagine the following scenario: there are two gorgeous girls standing right in front of you, let’s say we have a brunette HB 8.5 and a blonde HB 9. These girls are ripe for the picking, but there’s just one problem—there are already two guys standing there talking to them! If you’re anything like I was when I first started out in pickup, this set is a non-starter. Well, fortunately for me (and now you!), with the help of some simple techniques and knowledge, my game has advanced to the point where I actually prefer to open mixed sets.

    This guide is going to show you exactly how to approach, attract, and ultimately seduce targets in a mixed set. In order to accomplish this you’re going to have to understand the dynamics of a mixed set, how these dynamics affect your approach strategy, what you need to do once you’ve got a foothold in the group, and how to win the target away from the AFCs standing across from you. However, this guide is not meant to show you the basics of pickup or how to move forward with your target. So if your fundamentals are lacking, this guide will be of little value to you. My hope is that by the end of this guide, you’re as comfortable—if not more comfortable—approach ing mixed sets as you are approaching pure sets (sets with only females).
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    2. Understanding the Dynamics of a Mixed Set

    In order to understand the reasoning of this guide you must first understand the foundations of mixed set dynamics. The starting point for understanding mixed set dynamics is the Guiding Rule of Mixed Set Dynamics.
    Guiding Rule of Mixed Set Dynamics: The leader of men is the leader of women!
    Say that to yourself fifty times and then remember it in every aspect of your life. So what does it mean? An alpha male is someone who takes responsibility for his community. His time is taxed by providing a safe environment for the community. And what’s the biggest threat to the community? Other males (the practice of infanticide in apes and primitive tribes is a good example of why this is the case). Therefore, in order to be a successful alpha male, you must control the males both within your group and outside your group. Controlling the males around you is a taxing job that doesn’t leave much time to focus on females. Thankfully however, women will naturally gravitate towards an alpha male who is in control of his community, so he needs to divert less of his resources to actively pursuing females. The main Takeaway from this is that in order to become the alpha male in a mixed set you have to lead the men in that set.

    So how do you lead the men? The first step is understanding what kind of men you’re dealing with and how you should approach each of these types of men. All men can be placed into one of four categories: Supplicators, Antagonizers, Competitors, and Cooperators (I want to give credit to Josh Pellicer and The Tao of Badass for giving me the idea to categorize males).

    (a) Supplicators
    Supplicators have the lowest value of any male. They are characterized by a lack of confidence and self-worth. As a result, they have the Mindset that the only way to get what you want in life is to pay for it, either in favors or with cash. For instance, the sucker who buys a woman a drink whenever she asks is a prototypical Supplicator. The reason Supplicators engage in these kind of activities is because their perception of their self-worth is so low that they believe that no one could possibly be attracted to them unless they are buying that attraction (either emotionally or monetarily). Supplicators attempt to set up “Secret Contracts” that indebt other people to them. These tactics are very manipulative and other people see through them easily. Most AFCs and aspiring PUAs start out as Supplicators.

    Dealing with Supplicators is rather straightforward. A Supplicator has very low self-esteem and will eat up any compliments you give him without hesitation. Tell a Supplicator you like his shirt and he’ll start following you around like a lost puppy. The key is to make the Supplicator feel like you value him. If you do this, he likely won’t challenge you and will want to help you with your own endeavors.

    Example: Years ago, a friend and I approached a two-set (HB 8 and HB 9) that was engaged by a guy with very beta body language. We entered the set and began talking to the guy and the girls. Eventually the girls turn to the guy and tell him they want drinks, and so naturally, we tell him he can buy us drinks as well. The five of us get up and head to the bar. While we’re on our way to the bar the guy turns to my friend and says, “I’m going to have a threesome with these girls.” My friend—always the diplomat—tells him he’s going to pull it off. Meanwhile I’m conniving with the girls to ditch this guy the moment we get the drinks. We get to the bar, the guy buys everyone drinks and as he’s paying for the drinks the four of us turn around and disappear into the club. Not necessarily my proudest moment, but it is what it is.

    (b) Antagonizers
    An Antagonizer is typically a recovering or disenfranchised Supplicator. He is someone who has realized that being a “Nice Guy” has done shit for him, so he’s going to do the exact opposite—be a d1ck to everyone, about everything. This guy really doesn’t have a goal in mind when he’s a d1ck, he just knows that being a Nice Guy doesn’t work so the opposite must work.

    Dealing with Antagonizers can be a challenge. They seem irrationally aggressive and they view everything as a threat. Don’t engage them directly. Remember, like the Supplicator, the Antagonizer suffers from low self-esteem. However, unlike the Supplicator, the Antagonizer will be suspicious of everything you say to him. The best way to approach an Antagonizer is to recognize where his mindset comes from. The Antagonizer is someone who understands that he lacks proficiency in social interactions, but has not figured out how to improve his situation. The key to disarming the Antagonizer then is to make him feel that his value is higher while you are around. Don’t knock him down. Don’t confront him directly. Since the Antagonizer is so aggressive, most women will recognize that you’ve disarmed him and will be thankful.

    Example: A few months ago I was in a club and I saw a mixed set that had 2 girls (HB 8.5 and HB 6) talking to two guys. Only, I noticed that the HB 8.5 had been blocked out of the conversation and looked really bored. Like the gentleman that I am, I interjected myself into the group and asked how the HB 8.5 got cut-off from the conversation. One of the guys instantly welcomed me into the group and started laughing about it, but the other one was pissed. Recognizing that the second guy was a walking time bomb, I quickly changed the subject and said to the second guy, “Haha, I actually came over here because I like your shirt and I was wondering where you got it.” He looked at me and said, “What the fark are you talking about.” The first guy was shocked and wondered what had just happened. Recognizing that I had just stumbled upon an Antagonizer, I changed my tactic. I turned to the group and said, “No, but really, that’s a great shirt. Especially for this environment, wouldn’t you guys say so?” (Notice how I changed my approach from a direct compliment to raising the guy’s value within the group). This disarmed the situation and I was able to easily embed myself into the group without any more objections from the Antagonizer.

    (c) Competitors
    Competitors are a dangerous group. These guys, like Antagonizers, are aggressive and will attack you head on. The difference is that they differentiate between guys they see as a threat and guys they see as a non-threat. Competitors are most likely reformed Antagonizers. That is, they have come to understand that there is no need to be aggressive all the time, but they still have an overwhelming urge to pad their ego by “winning” when there is competition(i.e., they have an unhealthy “Competitive Drive”).

    Dealing with a Competitor can be very straightforward. If you recognize that you’re dealing with a Competitor from the start of the interaction, make sure you don’t do anything to set off his Competitive Drive. This means that you want to come in and make him feel like he has high value from the beginning. Open him instead of opening the group, and take every opportunity to pad his ego. However, if you do set off the Competitor’s competitive drive, you’re going to have to make him feel like has won without actually supplicating to him. You approach this situation in the same way that you approach an Antagonizer.

    Example: Early on in my PUA journey, I opened a HB 7.5 sitting at the bar alone. I had a great conversation going with her, had her roleplaying and being very sexual all within a couple minutes. Unfortunately, I was soon interrupted by some guy. It quickly became apparent that the two knew each other, so I asked what their relationship was. The HB said they worked together, while the guy made it clear that he brought her to the bar. I attempted to bring the guy into our roleplay, but it was to no avail. I had set off this guy’s Competitive Drive and he was having none of it. When the HB went to use the bathroom the guy told me that he had brought her, he was taking her home, and I should leave. The sad truth is that I was a Competitor at the time as well and we started going at each other, throwing out the “I’m better than you because…” (not in those words, but you get the point). The HB picked up on it and said straight out, “You guys don’t need to fight over me.” Needless to say, the interaction didn’t go anywhere for either of us, and I ended up ejecting in the end.

    (d) Cooperators
    The Cooperator is the ultimate high value guy. He separates himself from all the other guys in one important aspect—he understands that social interactions are not zero-sum games. Like the best strategy for approaching a Prisoner’s Dilemma, the Cooperator will cooperate unless invoked. He will punish you for invoking him, but he will quickly forgive you for your invocation if you reform (I suggest any student of PUA, and/or life at all, pick up a copy of The Evolution of Cooperation by Robert Axelrod. It explains the Prisoner’s Dilemma, how it applies in every facet of our lives, and describes the best strategy for playing it). Like all things in pickup, the Cooperator is characterized by an abundance mentality. He’s not worried about competing with other guys, because he knows there’s more than enough for everyone. This mentality allows the Cooperator to create value in all his social interactions, which is the single most attractive trait of a male. HE IS THE ALPHA MALE!

    Dealing with a Cooperator should not be a challenge. Since you are a Cooperator yourself you are going to recognize a high value male and you guys are going to interact in such a way that creates value for the entire group. Since both of you adhere to the abundance mentality, you’re going to respect each other’s boundaries, and you’ll work together to attain your goals. Make friends with this guy, he’s likely an awesome wing. If you guys are after the same target, one of you is going to have to gracefully bow out, but it shouldn’t matter because the interaction between you guys has likely increased your value substantially and now you can pull any other HB in the place.

    Example: Going back to the example I gave for the Antagonizer, the Antagonizer’s friend was the perfect example of a Cooperator. As soon as I came into the picture he sighed in relief because I made the HB 8.5 feel comfortable and included in the conversation. Meanwhile, the Antagonizer had completely failed as a wing because he was so aggressive. In fact, the Cooperator and I were quickly communicating non-verbally and acting together to pacify his Antagonizer friend.


    Now that you know about the categories of males, know how to recognize them, and know how to deal with them, we can move on to approaching the mixed set.
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    3. Approaching a Mixed Set
    Approaching a mixed set is not the same as approaching a pure set. When approaching a mixed set you’re going to want to adhere to the Guiding Rule of Mixed Set Dynamics (repeat it again, “the leader of men is the leader of women”). This means that instead of approaching the target or even approaching the set as a whole, you’re going to want to approach the dominant male in the group (if you can’t decide who that is, just approach any male in the group). There are two ways that I typically approach these sets, using an Ego Boost or an opinion opener.

    (a) Ego Boost
    Typically speaking, approaching a woman with a compliment is a death trap—especially if it’s about their looks. This is because every asshole AFC compliments a girl on her looks, and thus, compliments fail to evoke any kind of curiosity or attraction. Fortunately for us, guys don’t get compliments very often. This means most guys don’t know how to handle compliments, and so any random compliment will elicit curiosity and attraction. This means that we can quickly raise our value with a guy, simply by giving him a compliment. Try it out on a guy who is by himself, just to see how it works. 95% of guys will eat this up. Here are some of my favorites:

    “Hey, I really like that shirt. Where’d you get it?”
    “You have a great overall look going for you, I especially like the hair.”
    “Nice watch/chain/bracelet. Most guys have terrible tastes in accessories.”
    "Wow, I love that jean jacket/sweater/hat on you. I couldn’t pull it off, but you make it work.”

    Within a group dynamic, it’s a good strategy to include the rest of the group in the Ego Boost. In order to do this you want to make sure everyone in the set hears your compliment and then you want to validate your compliment by seeking the set’s opinion (e.g., “This shirt is great! What do you guys think?”). Most members of the set will agree with you because people are typically adverse to conflict, but occasionally someone will challenge you. The challenger will usually be a HB and this will be a shit test. Hold your frame by restating that you agree with the compliment and since everyone else will be agreeing with you, your value is going to be WAY higher than hers. If this is your targets, use this power dynamic to tease her mercilessly.

    WARNING!!! If you run into an Antagonizer or set off a Competitors Competitive Drive, a simple Ego Boost will not work! You need to use an Ego Boost that increases their perceived value within the group.

    (b) Opinion Openers
    This is the same as a traditional opinion opener, but the key here is to get the male opinion and then align yourself with that opinion. They’ll appreciate your support and you’ll quickly get inserted in the group.

    I had a great example of this from last night. I walked up to a mixed set, a guy and two HBs (HB 7 and HB 8—guess who my target is). I said to them, “My friend and I have had this debate going all night and Fedoras are never cool, right?” The HB 7 instantly says, “What, were you guys discussing, Justin Timberlake?” I quickly replied with, “Oh, well I guess there is one exception, JT. Well, one living exception, because MJ pulled it off too.” The HB 8 then interjects, “Nope, they’re never cool.” I then turn to the guy and say, “I don’t know, what do you think?” He looks at me and responds with, “I don’t know, I think they have their place.” Without skipping a beat I ask him is name and say, “Actually, I think you could pull off a fedora too. You, JT, and MJ, can all pull it off.” Meanwhile the HB is basically screaming, “Nope, never!” into my ear.

    Get creative with opinion openers. Try to use things that are polarizing and that you can jump onboard with the male opinion on.
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    4. Controlling the Set
    Congratulations! You’ve successfully inserted yourself into a mixed set and established yourself as a high value man. By this stage your value is through the roof, and even if you haven’t engaged your target yet, I guarantee she is attracted to you. Now comes the hard part.
    Without a doubt, this is the most difficult part of dealing with a mixed set. In this stage you have two goals, (a) maintain your status as alpha male and (b) start seducing your target.

    (a) Maintaining Your Position as Alpha Male
    Of the two goals listed above, this is definitely the more important one. In fact, if you are able to maintain alpha male status, then you’re most likely already going through the phases of a seduction to varying degrees.

    Maintaining your status as the alpha male means balancing the relative value of everyone in the group, but always staying on top yourself. This is accomplished primarily through displaying the traits of a Cooperator. A successful Cooperator has three primary characteristics: (i) he cooperates with everyone until someone becomes uncooperative with him, (ii) he punishes people when they become uncooperative, and (iii) he quickly forgives an uncooperative person who decides they want to cooperate (again, I refer you to the Evolution of Cooperation if you want a better understanding of why this works).

    In practice, this means that you are going to work to maintain everyone’s value in the group. If someone is being left out of the conversation, pull them in. Awkwardness is an attraction killer, and if that awkward guy is standing on the outskirts of the conversation, then you need help him raise his value. At the same time, if someone challenges you, this is not the time to back down. You need to punish this behavior, and the best way to do this is to ignore the behavior, both verbally and non-verbally. If someone insults you, turn a shoulder away from them and engage the rest of the group. When he’s ready to cooperate with you again, you’ll welcome him back into the group and help him reestablish his value, but only when he’s ready to cooperate again.

    By being a Cooperator and helping others build their value, your value is constantly going to be on the rise. Remember, value distribution is not a zero-sum game. Take an integrative approach and don’t try to hoard it.

    (b) Seducing Your Target
    The problem with a mixed set is that you have to worry about the dynamics of the mixed set while also pulling off a pickup. The key here is to remember that you want to maintain the balance of the mixed set at all times. From my experience, the two biggest things here are body positioning and Kino.

    Body positioning wise, you need to get next to your target. The beauty of the mixed set is you can show a lot of active disinterest through your verbal communication (i.e., talking to other members of the set, teasing your target about everything, agreeing with everyone but your target, etc.), but still show lots of interest through body language. However, in order to pull this off you need to be standing next to your target, so if you enter a set and you’re not beside your target in the beginning, you’re going to want to move next to your target fairly early on in the interaction.

    Next, the most important part of any pickup is kino, but it’s a little bit more complicated in a mixed set. You need to run kino on your target without setting off any alarms in the males in the mixed set. This means you have to run light kino (fist bumps, handshakes, arm punches, etc.) at first, and escalate very gradually. But how do you do this without setting off alarms? This is the ingenious part! KINO EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY THE GUYS!!! Guys love high-fives, fist bumps, handshakes, and stuff like that. If you’re running kino on everyone in the set, it’s not going to be weird that you’re running kino on your target. It’s also not going to be as weird when you start escalating the kino with your target (I’m not an advocate of escalating kino on the males in the group, but to each his own). From this point, you want to run through the traditional stages of a pickup, all the while making sure that you maintain the value balance in the group. At some point you’re going to want to Isolate your target, and that’s what I call Practical amoging.
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    5. Practical amoging

    AMOGs get a bad rap in the pickup community, but ultimately that’s because most PUAs wish they were AMOGs. The problem with AMOGs however, is that they typically accomplish their AMOGing by lowering other peoples’ value. As I’ve established throughout this guide, you don’t ever want to lower someone else’s value (save maybe your target if you’re running tradition MM game or whatever). Up to this point we’ve managed to never stomp on other peoples’ value, but once you escalate with your target to a certain point, you’re going to hurt someone’s pride. Thus, the trick is to Isolate your target from the group and only escalate beyond this point once you’re “out of sight.”

    The key to isolating a target is to create plausible deniability for everyone involved, including the males in the group. One of my favorite lines is, “I need another drink, come grab one with me.” I then grab my target’s hand and lead her to the bar. I will typically buy her a drink at this point, but tell her that she’s getting the next round (it’s acceptable to get her a drink at this point because she has qualified herself to you and passed the compliance test of coming to the bar, but to make it even more acceptable I throw in the “next round is on you” line). If someone in the group objects, just tell them you’re going to grab a drink and you’ll be right back. The males in the group will likely think that she conned you into buying her a drink, so they’ll just think you’re being a chump and won’t feel threatened. From here, your home free to run whatever game you want to run!
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    6. Advanced Game: Mixed Sets with a Wing
    While I titled this section “Advanced Game,” the truth is that dealing with a mixed set when you have a wing is very simple. The key here is to have a wing create a distraction while you sneak in and start gaming what is now hopefully a pure set. The keys here are the approach and physical positioning.

    In order for this to work, your wing is going to have to approach the males (just like he would if it was just a mixed set approach, but with a couple nuances). Of the two approaches discussed above, the Ego Boost is preferred. This is because you want to engage the males as much as possible and engage the HBs as little as possible. Since males are typically suckers for having their egos fueled, most fall for this technique. Next, your wing has to approach from an angle that will force the males to turn their bodies away from the set. While the wing has the males engaged, you want to either turn the HBs away from the males or wedge yourself in between the males and the set (Note: I suggest the former over the latter, since I’m not a fan of turning my back to a potentially angry guy who’s probably been consuming alcohol).

    From here your wing will continue engaging the males until you have established yourself in set. In my experience, once the males recognize that someone has taken the set from them, they will just leave. However, if they choose to stick around, use the Cooperator tactics discussed above. Welcome them back into the group, introduce yourself, and then introduce them to whatever you were talking about with the set. This last part is key, as it demonstrates that you are now leading the set and that you were not just a place holder for the males while your wing distracted them.

    Example: While my buddy and I were out he spotted a mixed set with 3 females and 1 male. He wanted to approach them but wasn’t sure how. I said that I would wing for him. I overheard the male talking and picked up on an accent. Standing outside the mixed set (note, I did not enter the mixed set as I did not want to engage the HBs), I asked the guy with a lot of energy, “Hey man, that accent is so familiar, but I just can’t seem to place it. Where are you from?” He instantly turn his shoulder to the set and engaged me. It took my friend all of about 15 seconds to place himself between the guy and the now pure set. After talking to him for about 2 minutes I let the conversation die and he turned back to the set. To his disappointment my friend had them engaged. Dismayed, he turned and left the interaction.
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    7. Conclusion

    After reading this guide (it’s long, I know), I hope that you have come to see mixed sets for what they really are—a blessing in disguise. As I said at the beginning, I prefer approaching mixed sets. This is because they give me a chance to create a type of value that I couldn’t create in a pure set. With some practice I think you’ll find that you actually enjoy mixed sets, and more importantly, you’ll learn how to deal with very dynamic social situations that people who only approach pure sets never experience. Lots of PUAs struggle with relating to other men, and I think this is an excellent guide to get you started on developing relationships with men while honing your pickup skills.

    I hope you guys found this guide informative. If you have any questions or comments, let me know.

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    I am thrilled by this Duke!!!..Wow you nailed it bro..I can feel the power of this even before using it..Thank you very much man
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    Enough said, like a Boss (plus thirty characters)
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    Default Re: TheDuke’s Guide to Mixed Sets and Practical AMOGing

    Quote Originally Posted by Vere View Post
    I am thrilled by this Duke!!!..Wow you nailed it bro..I can feel the power of this even before using it..Thank you very much man
    Glad you found it useful. Give some of it a try and then post some feedback!
    "It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything."


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