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  1. #41
    culturedpearls Guest

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    Hahaha... now am wondering if I can turn SpringBreak's line into a 'pretend mission', or at least an opener with a set. Something like, "How do you think a wedding kiss should go?" Hopefully, at least one of the hotter ones in the set will be inbriated to just 'show' me. Haha.

    Then maybe later on, I could get back to that with my actual target.

    But yeah, Mystery, I doubt it will work if rapport wasn't established. And if you're in front of all your friends.

  2. #42
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    everything is about how i feel about me and the situation. Getting closer to her and mving in isn't so important on what i say but how i say it, or how what my energy does for her. No way I will try and force a kiss close. No way will I try and tell myself it will happen if I am not sure that it will. That means I have to do the work with her to be in a situation that she wants to kiss me or needs me to broach it and kiss her.

    i got to enjoy it. I got to enjoy her and after all that if she don't want me she is obviously an idiot, a bitch, shallow, or wasting my time. I don't like some girl wasting my time for her ego or using me to give her attentioin. I am busy. I have Sh1t to do. I will treat her right to the point that she cuts me off or makes a prick of me with bitchcraft.

    My part of the deal is that I do the footwork with each babe and if my game is genuine and i am going ok..... I will always lose one here and there but so what? I spend a few nickels here and there too.

    I just keep fronting up and playing every day. I step up to the plate in the morning and mostly these days I am work a scene, a whole lot of babes that I already have involvement with, and some of them have involvement with each other.

    Honesty is the policy. The hottest ones all gotta be played by a 'player'. the need the validation and i enjoy talking to em and setting em up and playing. Alot of blokes around don't like me which is good seeing as I am pretty handy in a fight and the boys know that I can take a few before I deliver my bottom line. And the ladies love me cos they know I got a bottom line like a piece of iron or rock. And the worst that can happen is I get killed and if that happens i don't really need to worry about it do i?

    I got my bottom ends bullet proof and I still keep going back to basic. If my foundation is solid the babes know a real man and men know a real man. I keep working my basic principles and my initial game was really only a few basics that I kept to as I can only be mindful of so much. I build my foundation on that and I keep doing maintenance on that foundation

    Time takes time and one day at a time I play and improve my game

    I am patient. I have waited a long time for the years I am enjoying now and I continue to do the work that gets me to where I am now. Each day I do a little bit of work on my game. Daily repetition of the little things....... man the kisses come. if we concentrate on our own game they are attracted as David D'Angelo says, "attraction is not a choice." that is how it must be. we do the right things, we get the right results. If i put cream in my coffee it must rise to the top. Not it might or it should or it may.... It is a law that it must rise to the top for that is what cream does.

    Get your basics right and pay attention to working them daily and good things must happen

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    Default Re: fack another failed kiss close

    Dude, seriously that's a huge load of bullsh*t. You wanted to kiss her, that's why you came here for advice. Whether or not you were attracted to her, you wanted to kiss her but failed. What you're doing is backwards rationalizing, and it's important that you take note of that. In order to learn and grow, you must accept your failures, because every failure contains a lesson. Accepting your failures and learning to correct them is an absolute must when it comes to developing inner game.

    -ViViD

  4. #44
    Mystery_wannabe Guest

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    Thank you all for the response.

    Instinct tells me I haven't escalated fast enough in terms of Kino. I've learned a lot from Gambler's videos. I liked disk 2 when he talks about kiss close which bill has posted recently.

    I've gone back to the basics and have discovered that I have parts of the game where I'm actually stuck at. Even something simple as keeping eye contact with a cutie. I'm working on locking eye contact again and trying to tell jokes.

    I'm also working on sexual talk although Gambler has advised against it. I'm testing out both Mystery and Gambler's theories to see which style suits me more.

    So far with "Light", I've had some success with talking about "spanking" which I got a light kino from her. So maybe introducing this early is not bad which will help me progress into a kiss close.

    @ ViViD: I believe in taking bold steps forward (it's how I've gotten as far as getting a hug from Girl A after Christmas who's the second girl I've hugged in my ENTIRE LIFE other than family).

    However, if I feel like the girl is out of my reach by miles, I don't want to blow it over. It'll look like I'm jumping from friend status to lover in a split second which will highly elicit a negative response.

    I think my game will change forever especially watching PUA Season 2 and learning lots from gambler and Instinct.

  5. #45
    Pinai Guest

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    I digress but I like what VIVID said about backwards rationalizing. I don't think there's no room for reflection in the game but for you to keep moving forward, you have to have somewhere you intend to move forward to. That means, going for girls you really like and making informed choices is important, because you're just wasting time if you're not. You have to game girls you like and believe you can have her, AFC or not, and just learn from your mistakes... not tell yourself that, "oh, she wasn't worth it anyway".

  6. #46
    Tesl Guest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyote View Post
    i don't like chicks being put upon. i still believe strongly in the right to free will and i probably don't get a lot of my targets because i am not certain that they really want to. I like them to make up their own mind - with my cutest presence fresh in their minds - and I get alot of joy out of sleeping with chicks are really into me and enjoying themselves.

    If she says no then that is ok and she can walk or if she doesnt stuff me around we can talk. I have no sympathy for the AFC cos he forced himself upon her.
    I always used to think this way. I'd exchange numbers with a girl but not bother calling, thinking "if she really wants to talk with me, she'll call". Or I wouldn't approach a girl I held eye contact with because I'd be thinking "if she wants to talk to me, she will come speak to me". Or like you, if I was dancing with her but unsure if she wanted to kiss me or not, I'd not do anything about it. My entire frame of mind was being happy going out, but I didn't want to intrude or be a nuisance for a girl.

    It goes without saying all the above was nonsense. He who dares wins.

    I think you need to change your frame of mind, because it sounds like you are very similar now to how I was (until very recently, I'll add). You have to assume that she wants to kiss you from the beginning. If she didn't, why else would you still have her attention?

    Attempting to kiss her isn't forcing yourself on her or denying her free will. She can move away or say no. Even in that worst case scenario, so what? At least you have your answer, and you can decide whether to invest more time there or move on.

    Actually, I had something similar happen last night. I went to a friends apartment for a poker night, with 5 of us in total. 2 girls, my friends girlfriend and her friend. I wasn't overly interested in her at first, though she was friendly and fairly good looking she wasn't really my type. Probably the same for her, we didn't really converse much or make that much effort speaking with each other.

    So we go out clubbing after this, and late on my friend and his girlfriend head home, leaving us as a group of 3. My other friend suggests one of us should go after this girl whilst the other tries to find some other targets. I've drank plenty and am starting to find her quite attractive, so I stake my claim. My friend wanders off, and I drag the target off to the dance floor.

    Anyway, finally this story is starting to be relevant to yours. Whilst dancing, she made very little effort to be near me. She faced away a lot, didn't respond at all to any Kino I gave, and just seemed completely disinterested. At one point I even wandered off leaving her alone to find my other friend and see how he was doing. When I returned, I took the state of mind "You know what, just hold her and be close anyway. Let her say no if its a problem". This is the opposite of the old me where I wouldn't have wanted to make her feel uncomfortable at all. I took her hand and put my other around her and danced. When she faced away, I kept an arm around her and grinded away. After a while, she actually started to respond, and I realised that she was enjoying herself. I kept going, dancing very close (so our noses are more or less touching, my face is buried in her hair) and then I kissed her. No problem, she seems happy and we made out for a good long time after that.

    What was interesting was when we left the club to head home, she was completely changed. She quickly hooked my arm, squeezed my other hand, and stayed glued to me back to the taxi. In the taxi she wouldn't stop kissing all the way back

    So my point (I think I'm just using this as an excuse to talk about last night), is that sometimes you have to just go for it and let her figure out if its a problem or not. It might be that she herself just hasn't realised shes interested yet. As long as she isn't saying no as you move closer and be more touchy/physical, not only does it make it easier to eventually kiss (whats a kiss when your cheeks have been touching the last 5 mins?) but her attraction will also be growing during the whole process.

    Maybe I should have started a new thread for this post. I think I really learned something last night, and I can't wait to go out tonight so I can have another crack at it.

    Actually, this post about summed up everything I wanted to say:

    Quote Originally Posted by ViViD View Post
    Dude, seriously that's a huge load of bullsh*t. You wanted to kiss her, that's why you came here for advice. Whether or not you were attracted to her, you wanted to kiss her but failed. What you're doing is backwards rationalizing, and it's important that you take note of that. In order to learn and grow, you must accept your failures, because every failure contains a lesson. Accepting your failures and learning to correct them is an absolute must when it comes to developing inner game.

    -ViViD
    Cheers

  7. #47
    Mystery_wannabe Guest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tesl View Post
    I always used to think this way. I'd exchange numbers with a girl but not bother calling, thinking "if she really wants to talk with me, she'll call". Or I wouldn't approach a girl I held eye contact with because I'd be thinking "if she wants to talk to me, she will come speak to me". Or like you, if I was dancing with her but unsure if she wanted to kiss me or not, I'd not do anything about it. My entire frame of mind was being happy going out, but I didn't want to intrude or be a nuisance for a girl.

    It goes without saying all the above was nonsense. He who dares wins.

    I think you need to change your frame of mind, because it sounds like you are very similar now to how I was (until very recently, I'll add). You have to assume that she wants to kiss you from the beginning. If she didn't, why else would you still have her attention?

    Attempting to kiss her isn't forcing yourself on her or denying her free will. She can move away or say no. Even in that worst case scenario, so what? At least you have your answer, and you can decide whether to invest more time there or move on.

    Actually, I had something similar happen last night. I went to a friends apartment for a poker night, with 5 of us in total. 2 girls, my friends girlfriend and her friend. I wasn't overly interested in her at first, though she was friendly and fairly good looking she wasn't really my type. Probably the same for her, we didn't really converse much or make that much effort speaking with each other.

    So we go out clubbing after this, and late on my friend and his girlfriend head home, leaving us as a group of 3. My other friend suggests one of us should go after this girl whilst the other tries to find some other targets. I've drank plenty and am starting to find her quite attractive, so I stake my claim. My friend wanders off, and I drag the target off to the dance floor.

    Anyway, finally this story is starting to be relevant to yours. Whilst dancing, she made very little effort to be near me. She faced away a lot, didn't respond at all to any kino I gave, and just seemed completely disinterested. At one point I even wandered off leaving her alone to find my other friend and see how he was doing. When I returned, I took the state of mind "You know what, just hold her and be close anyway. Let her say no if its a problem". This is the opposite of the old me where I wouldn't have wanted to make her feel uncomfortable at all. I took her hand and put my other around her and danced. When she faced away, I kept an arm around her and grinded away. After a while, she actually started to respond, and I realised that she was enjoying herself. I kept going, dancing very close (so our noses are more or less touching, my face is buried in her hair) and then I kissed her. No problem, she seems happy and we made out for a good long time after that.

    What was interesting was when we left the club to head home, she was completely changed. She quickly hooked my arm, squeezed my other hand, and stayed glued to me back to the taxi. In the taxi she wouldn't stop kissing all the way back

    So my point (I think I'm just using this as an excuse to talk about last night), is that sometimes you have to just go for it and let her figure out if its a problem or not. It might be that she herself just hasn't realised shes interested yet. As long as she isn't saying no as you move closer and be more touchy/physical, not only does it make it easier to eventually kiss (whats a kiss when your cheeks have been touching the last 5 mins?) but her attraction will also be growing during the whole process.

    Maybe I should have started a new thread for this post. I think I really learned something last night, and I can't wait to go out tonight so I can have another crack at it.

    Actually, this post about summed up everything I wanted to say:



    Cheers
    Hey Tesl, thank you for sharing your experience. I've read this post a while back and now I've just read it again and something happened to me last night that opened my eyes to your vision.

    When I read it the first time, I didn't understand what you meant by "just let to go", it didn't seem possible for me, but once you've experienced a girl giving you positive feedback first handed, instantly you become a new man.

    Please note: The following is a field report.
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    I was out with at my friend Ayu's (not her real name) birthday party. She invited all her friends from her university and all sorts of other places so in general, I didn't really know anyone.

    I've introduced myself as I've entered the set of 8 - 9 people but only to 4 people because the dinner table was a long rectangular shape. I know I should've continued and spreaded towards the other side to lift the mood of the entire party, but I didn't.

    Still, that didn't affect my game. In fact, the funny thing was I wasn't even gaming. All I did was sat in my area, chatted with the people there and was just enjoying myself as much as I could. The party mood was pretty dead before, people didn't talk much and there seemed to be a lot of awkward moments.

    I noticed a girl on my side of the table by the name of Zar (not her real name) who's just talking her face off. I sensed that she was talking a lot not because she's a blabber face, but the fact that the entire party was so farked up that she's nervous and is trying to pull it off by talking to attempt lifting the mood. Overall, she was a nice friend who does telemarketing and can social.

    I contributed and we pushed as far as our limits would go. While at it, the convo on our side started to pick up drastically and the other side started looking over to see why we were having so much fun. My friend from highschool Suz (not her real name), seemed to be attracted to me still. Since she didn't bring her boyfriend along, she decided to drag me out to grab food. This happened not once, but 3 times. After a while, my friend Clo (not his real name) started following me too.

    To me, he wasn't a threat because he's a 100% AFC so I know my rep is strong and there's no one else there that could possibly AMOG me. Zar suddenly got up and wanted me to go grab some waffles with her so I did and so we talked.

    Dinner ended and we're swapping to a new venu, we decided to go snookering. In the car, I joked about Zar wanting to come to the back of the van to sit on my lap. She actually started coming to the back of Clo's van to sit next to me. Suz sensed what was happening and stopped her by telling her to sit next to her. Zar complied but never buckled her seat belt.

    -----5 mins pass----------

    Zar makes up some stupid excuse about wanting to see the cars drifting away from the van to sit next to me. Suz can't even stop her no more. She was left in the cold. When we arrived, it was raining hard outside and Zar said "hey! shield me from the rain too" and hid under my coat. Our bodies were touching really close and that was when I've confirmed that she's into me.

    Everyone else went inside, but Zar suddenly turned around as we were approaching the entrance and said "hey, can I have your phone number?" I said "sure" and stuck my hand out to get her cell phone. I also gave her my cell for her to enter her number. She then says "we should hang out sometime".

    We went inside and she started to tell me to teach her how to play pool even though I was the crappiest player there. I told her to come closer and I grabbed her hand. Our bodies were touching again and by now, the entire group knew what was happening. Things got so out of hand at one point that Ayu started coming around to poke at me. I sensed that Ayu was attracted and so was Suz.

    Suz after a while gave up (she was no match for Ayu or Zar). she stole my iPhone, sat in her own corner and started gaming. I tried to involve Zar as much as possible and even pissed off my Ayu's bf a little because I poked her back and when Ayu squealed, he reacted and asked Ayu what happened. Ayu pushed the blame on me and made it look like I was trying to flirt with her instead (which made me feel a little embarrassed cause he's my buddy).

    Zar didn't appear to be very sticky although after a while she would stand next to me (which I think is perfectly normal) and she would also occasionally lean into me. But the fun didn't start until the snooker game ended.

    We moved to a 3rd venu, the Bubble Tea store. While on our way, Zar tested the waters by putting her head on my shoulder. I took the opportunity and rested mine on her's to show her that I like her too. I think she's an HB7.5 that's totally datable and she's quite cute sometimes.

    Suz became really jealous at this point. she purposefully separated us so that we couldn't sit next to each other. Ayu told Suz to move but she refused saying "yeah, I know. I want to sit between the two, got a problem?"

    I tried to stare into Zar's eyes. I wanted to see if she looks at me in a lustful way, but she doesn't. I don't understand this. She seems so calm but her body is telling me she's very attracted to me.

    Bubble Tea session ends and we're heading home. She shivered in the cold so I rubbed her arms to keep her warm and suddenly she grabs my hand and wraps it around her (back cuddling position). When we've entered the car, escalation became much faster. The weird thing is SHE is kinoing me and not the other way around.

    She leaned into me and placed my around her waist. It felt so nice that I thought I stay in that position forever. Just as I thought I was getting comfortable, she grabs my right hand and rests it on her breasts!

    My heart started pounding like the guys from pick up artists season 2 when they saw a hot blond. I bet you my heart rate was going at 200 bpm. I started to do a small massage motion and she seemed perfectly fine and it was almost as if she was really enjoying it.

    I decided to push things a little further and tried going for the lower part, but she stops me and places my hand back on her breasts in a creasing position. I guess I went a little too far and now I know not to and perhaps aim for her hips which is still acceptable and increase arousal.

    I wanted to try kiss close, again I chickened out but I wanted to do a small one (even if it's just a cheesy kiss on the cheek). I gave her a kiss on her cheek and she said "thank you." When we got to her stop, I whispered "see you" in her ears and she gave me a kiss on my cheek. It felt really nice. For the whole time, I felt like I was in heaven. I've never connected this deeply with a women ever and it feels great that I have.

    The joy just cannot be described. When I got home, I couldn't help but to write this entry to Instinct and I sent it to him on email for him to preview first handed and give me feedback. I knew I should've pulled the trigger knowing that I had such an upper hand.

    She went non-stop bugging me to setup a date with me and we've agreed to watch Alice and the Wonderland this coming Wednesday. I'm going to try pulling the trigger on this one and I'm pretty darn sure I'm going to nail it.

    I start to get the hang on Kino Escalation. I just need to practice more with different girls and I will be able to perfect them with any type of girl without speeding ahead of what they want.
    Last edited by Mystery_wannabe; 03-14-2010 at 06:09 PM.

  8. #48
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    Just on the subject of the title.... I saw a chick today that my wing has been working on. Her and I got in for a chat and I noticed after about 5 minutes how inviting her lips looked and how her face was telling me that she wanted to be kissed but it was not a good idea for then. Her lips looked so inviting and for the first time in months she seemed to be seperating from the scene....

    I know nothing could happen where we were, which was her retail job location, and I thought I gotta end this before I look silly. I worked it that she was keeping me and I told her to eject me. She kept talking as though she wanted me and I said I had to go to the footy. She called out goodbye after me.

    It was frustrating because there was nothing further I could do there. She wants to talk and she likes talking to me and my wing. She likes us both and neither he nor I care who does her or if we both do.

    I guess I am just writing this to get it out but I though Another failed kiss close.... what a fitting title for today. I can still see that beautiful mouth inviting me wanting to keep the talking going...

    I wish. I hope I catch up with her again soon, like in the next 3 days

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    ok well since we are telling stories i thought i might tell mine and try to get some advice. IM new to this thread and pick up in general. I have started with Vin Dicarlos pandoras box and it makes so much sense and has helped me a lot so far. I have a girl we will call Amy. I took a college course with her and i never really tried to talk to her because i was dating my ex. But after being broken up and getting over her i came back to this girl and it seems like a spark has started.

    So i got her number and have been talking for a little over a week. I took her out 2 days ago. After determining she was an NDI. I started using that strategy on her. At first she seemed very timid and shy by her body language and not much conversation starting. While driving i tried keeping a little eye contact but she seemed to glance over and then look back. SO i was thinking she wasnt quite comfortable yet. Good read on my part. After getting to the first venue, i helped her out of the car to start the Kino Escalation slowly. I chose to do indoor rock climbing because it will help with the trust and comfortablility on her part. Knowing that while i was belaying she had nothing to worry about. After about ten minutes i took her to the side and she seemed so much different. So was keeping good eye contact, she turned towards me and was trying a little harder at the conversation. So it seemed like she was getting a little more comfortable.

    After i noticed that i had to escalate the Kino a little more. Like helping her up but then leading her, *light pushing* on the small of her back. And she seemed to get more and more comfortable as time went. After getting tired and having shared laughs at this location i decided it was time to maybe grab a bite to eat and talk. Since i determined her type i wanted to get her to open up and share more about herself and ask questions like -why, and how come- questions to basically help her describe herself and her point of view/ opinion- and stuff like that so she would talk. She immediately jumped on that and started talking a lot more.

    After all this i knew i still wanted to be around her and get the comfort level up but i knew i couldnt keep a good stimulating conversation all night, so i decided to take her to see clash of the titans. I know that i couldnt keep the conversation going all night so i needed some time just being around her so i could think. After the movie, we both seemed pretty drained so i ended up taking her home and was trying to assess whether she was up for a kiss close situation or not. I ended up concluding that she wanted to wait a little. I also thought it was good, because being an NDI, she thinks a lot when she is attracted to a guy and she will really be in anticipation for the next date that she will basically be begging for kiss close, when ending the night i got a hug from her and lifted her slightly, i mean slightly. In vin dicarlos things that is suppose to kind of help with comfort levels for you and to subconsciously convey that you are strong and can take care of her.

    Today is now easter sunday and i have been talking to her on and off throughout the last 2 days. Just a couple text. And im trying to feel out whether or not she is attracted. She keeps putting haha,or lol on every text. Im pretty sure she isnt laughing at everything im saying. I think she is just in a good mood when she talks to me. Oh another piece of info. I ended up working last night and couldnt call to talk for a sec. So i ended up just getting a single flower and putting "Just thinking about you. Hope you have a good day" on the piece of paper and putting it on her windshield for a surprise this morning. And even after all that, i think she is still attracted what do you guys think?(i wasnt quite sure whether the flower thing was a little much or if it was a good amount) what can i do differently or how can i make it so this girl ends up being very attracted to me?

    HELPPPP ME please. I need some advice on what i might want to try for the next date and stuff like that

  10. #50
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    I can't work em out mate. Sounds like you need to escalate and I find it difficult unless I see her face to face and we are free to Kino. I have found that relying too much on electronic communication aint cool and I run into trouble. Gotta be physical feeling.

    Alright guys I am now convinced. No kino.... no ?>(&$% try having it without kino....

    I saw this chick again today that I can't get that kiss close on whilst she works.... but damn, she talks to me about her personal life and friendships and her mates who I worked on independantly; she has given me dirt on them now....

    We are sharing what we want to do in regards to things like travel and study and she is agreeing with me more and more.

    I am using False Time Constraints each time as she will keep me there all day if she can. She talks to me like a respected male friend and whilst my wing reckons she goes out with footballers, she does to a point, she seems to respect my wisdom or mind on things. Smiling as soon as she sees me.... et al, but I still feel like the last guy getting the lol txt messages....

    Is she unimaginative and boring? Do I need to escalate by getting her to bounce out to a new scene? It is making that flower under the windshield gesture I guess cos otherwise it will remain lol etc... til it just fizzles out because neither of us are getting what we need from the 'friendship'.

    I know I gotta extract her from the scene to another place where kino is cool and gonna happen


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