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Thread: Winging with tall, dark and handsome

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    Default Winging with tall, dark and handsome

    Hey guys,

    I have no choice but to create this thread to seek for advice and tips. I'm always out with a particular friend, sometimes a small group..but I always have this close friend with me at all times. I feel that I can't game whatsoever with him around and I'm looking at how I can improve my game or appearance in order to stand out a bit.

    Unfortunately, this guy is 6'4", natural tan, broad wide back and shoulders naturally, in shape, great looking, great dresser, and this guy knows how to talk. Me on the other hand, I'm about 5'11", I tan once a week, good shape, decent looking. I open sets no problem and I have no problem closing them. In group convos, it's very difficult to overpower his convo skills, he starts, he's loud and never stops bc he always has things to say..he creates lots of bs stories too, he's a sales guy.

    Anyway, even if I tell him to stfu while I work sets around me, I still can't get anything. Any set that I talk to, they just have to look at him and I'm done, it's really that easy. Other than cutting this guy off, I'm not sure what to do lol. I have no single friends left unfortunately. I need to work on mastering my game while he's around...even though it's a challenge, I think with the help on here from you pros, maybe you can offer me some solutions.

    I have a prime example from Fri night while at a restaurant. I was picking up the waitress and had it all laid out and told my buddy what to do and say to wing me. While I was chatting her up, she told me a couple other girls think we're drop dead gorgeous...then I worked her more with that one. At the end of it, I'm sure the others were referring to my buddy. I asked for the number and bill and she came back giving her card to the BOTH of us. Right away, I knew it was done. I texted her that evening, never heard back. 2 days later, I told my buddy to text her out of curiosity even though he's not interested in her and she got back to him. That's probably the biggest kick in the nuts which I'm still feeling.

    These stories are all familiar. No matter what I do to game, I always get the number but it never sticks and my buddy gets everything based on his looks.

    I'm thinking I need to change my appearing drastically and different. Other than facial reconstruction surgery, heightening surgery and roids, what do you guys suggest? I don't think my game has anything to do with it, he just has to sit here and I'm game over. I'm not sure if anyone's ever experienced this but it's a huge obstacle.

    Thoughts from the pros?

    Thanks

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    Default Re: Winging with tall, dark and handsome

    Hey Johnny i want him as my friend so I can learn from him - it sounds like your insecure around him. If you are really worried about it Isolate the set from the start
    Looking for new wings in LA let me know if you want to sarge together.

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    Default Re: Winging with tall, dark and handsome

    Your not looking at the big picture. You should be watching what he does and mimicking it. It's not just his looks, trust me. It's his body language and confidence that's getting him further than you. Pay attention to his body language and voice tone. Mimic them. It has allot more to do with how he acts than how he looks. You can learn allot from this guy. Start looking at the positives instead of the negatives. If your game was really good this wouldn't be an issue.

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    Default Re: Winging with tall, dark and handsome

    It's not about looks trust me. I am tall, dark, and handsome myself. 6'3, 185LBS, flat stomach, and good looking. However in the Sets I have been given the shaft for short guys with a small tummy, nerds, buff ugly dudes, average joes, just about anyone. It's your Inner Game trust me. I know a guy who is 5'4 and always in the Club with chicks I go to. He is not that good looking but man is he charming. So there you have it become charming, do your best to look your best. Just watch how the hot guys get blown out all the time just like anyone else. Sure I get a little leway but got laid 0 times last year. My average looking buff buddy is winging for me now and I guarantee you when we start it will be about Inner Game and not looks. Looks get you in the door but that's it (it doesn't get you laid or make all the women swoon). I think your buddy has what they call "natural charm" or possibly just a ladies man which can be anyone since I am not a ladies man I have to win them over through high tech routines and techniques.

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    Default Re: Winging with tall, dark and handsome

    Be grateful he's your wing. Have him respect your target, but understand that if he's in set, the set will hold together longer, so you can game the other girl. As long as he doesn't escalate on your target, she will fall for you in the end.
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    Default Re: Winging with tall, dark and handsome

    Thanks guys, appreciate it.

    I think I need to improve my game a little and actually do what was suggested, mimic and learn off him. He doesn't try or know anything about pua, it's all natural. I've overheard feedback from girls..he's definitely a ladies man and charmer naturally without any effort at all.

    I think that last scenario messed me up a bit mentally b/c I did all of the work, the talking, getting the number..he did nothing but sit there and get the girl lol. Then again, I don't consider what I did being true "game" because I just had a couple 5 second convos with her b/c she was busy waitressing.

    Thanks again. Back to work and adjusting and improving.

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    Default Re: Winging with tall, dark and handsome

    I had one natural friend while I was learning about game. In the beginning, he would "outshine" me in some sets but I was always trying to learn from him. Fast forward and now we both wing each other like its Pearl Harbor. Use the resources that you have and you will grow.


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