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Thread: What comes after breaking rapport?

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    Default What comes after breaking rapport?

    Hey guys just got a question I'm having trouble finding the answer to and was wondering if anyone can help out.

    So say, you open a girl and start talking a bit and she gets comfortable with the conversation after you say you like her shirt or whatever. How would you break rapport from there and go into increasing attraction immediately?

    For example, do you throw in little hoops after breaking rapport to qualify then eventually lead up to a big hoop? Or how does that specifically work?

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    Default Re: What comes after breaking rapport?

    Yes. Qualification comes after breaking rapport. Start small and get bigger. If she stops qualifying, break rapport again
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    Default Re: What comes after breaking rapport?

    How would you break rapport? I'm having trouble just finding examples so that I could come up with a few ways of my own?

    And qualifying is simply asking questions correct?

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    Default Re: What comes after breaking rapport?

    I'd like to know this as well.

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    Default Re: What comes after breaking rapport?

    Qualification is not just "any" questions. It is to get the girl to validate to you and puts you in the frame of the selector. It's you screening them based on things that you value.

    For example:

    "What is the most adventurous thing you ever done?" [small hoop]

    "I get the feeling your job doesn't fulfill you creatively, what are you most passionate outside of work?" [medium hoop]

    "What are your three best qualities that you would want a guy to know about you, but can't have anything with your looks?" [large hoop]

    As an advice, in the beginning you should work from a small hoop and make it innocuous. Light rapport compliance (like "how was your day?) to deep rapport. Starting off with a large hoop is too much of a compliance at first and even if she is attracted to you, she may not want to answer.

    Breaking rapport is basically challenging her in a self-amusing way by disagreeing with her. In the language of emotion, it is done through takeaways.

    For example:
    HER: "I love olives"
    PUA: "Really? I think olives taste like rubber."

    PUA: So what do you do for work?
    ME: I'm a nurse.
    PUA: Whoa. Does that mean you like to wash old people's bottoms?

    HER: "Will you buy me a drink?" [Classic Sh1t Test]
    PUA: "I don't know you well enough. Tell me about yourself."

    One personal example in a natural conversation I used on a girl when I asked her if she ever dated this one guy.

    HER: "We hung out."
    PUA: "Okay, then what is the difference between dating and hanging out?"
    HER: [gives her lame reason]
    ME: Oh my god, that means you can "hangout" with multiple guys at once and not call it dating. You are such a player. I don't think I can ever date you seriously.

    At this point, she starts qualifying lol that she is into forming long term meaningful relationships and is not a serial dater...which at this point, I give her value, by saying it is cool. Then I transition to a bigger hoop.

    ME: "So what are your three best qualities that you would want a guy to know about you, but can't have anything with your looks?"

    There's other ways of breaking rapport as well and it doesn't have to do with conversation.

    - Refocusing your attention on someone/something else.

    This is a form of being a challenge to a woman. By being a challenge, you are not giving up your attention to her, your most valuable asset. Hence, it establishes you as a high valued man.

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    Default Re: What comes after breaking rapport?

    Quote Originally Posted by I.M.Mortal View Post
    "What is the most adventurous thing you ever done?" [small hoop]
    To build attraction, dont you want to flirt with the girl and skip rapport building right after first meeting her? If so, where exactly does rapport building come in the series of things?

    I'm confused because I've been trying to follow TMALS guides recently, and he avoids "normal" questions like these as well as rapport building; instead focusing on flirting, joking and having fun.

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    Default Re: What comes after breaking rapport?

    Which attraction are you talking about? There is attraction as in the emotional state and there is attraction phase where you run attraction game (value, emotional stimulation, sexual attraction)

    You are going to hear of different methods, so you are going to need to be specific. I am not necessarily following the M3 model for many reasons.

    The idea is you break rapport, which then allows you to build attraction.

    How do you break rapport?
    1) Teasing
    2) Starting an argument
    3) Going sexual
    4) Backturns
    5) Takeaways
    6) Redirecting attention

    When do you break rapport? As soon as she is comfortable with your presence. Example:
    “Hey girls. You look cool. I wanted to come meet you.” [Approach]
    ["Oh "hi!" They react positively]
    [Break rapport]

    The quicker you can break rapport, the sooner you can start building attraction. There’s some guys who can break rapport immediately because they are good looking, high value, their type,

    Girls will not qualify themselves if they are not interested. Throw out a small hoop. Stack hoops on top of that until you get to a large qualifying hoop. If she answers the large hoop, you are in comfort.

    YOU: “Are you adventurous?”
    HER: “Yes!”
    YOU: “Great. I love adventurous girls.”
    YOU: “Wait. Are you like PG-13 adventurous or are you rated R?”
    HER: "Rated R!"
    YOU: “Cool. Maybe we can be friends.”
    YOU: “What the most adventurous thing you ever done?”

    The idea is to create an emotional funnel system to eventually get her chasing you in seduction.

    My advice to you is not to get caught up in too much structure. For example, if the girl is really crazy for you because you are her type, then obviously you don't need to build attraction. She might already be ready for seduction. Let go of that dogmatic idea of that rigid (attraction to comfort to seduction model) and start thinking where am I right now.

    Breaking rapport is just a mechanism.
    Qualification is how you move from phase to phase.

    I'm confused because I've been trying to follow TMALS guides recently, and he avoids "normal" questions like these as well as rapport building; instead focusing on flirting, joking and having fun.
    First of all, if a girl won't even answer a small compliance hoop such as "What's your ethnicity" or "what is the most adventurous thing you ever done?" she is not even remotely interested. And you will run into women like these if you approach enough. Some won't even talk to you. Just read some of the old posts here.

    T-Mal doesn't follow this whole M3 structure that rapport is part of. T-Mal is influenced by Josh Pellicer's method as can be seen in "Tao Of Badass." But even in some of T-Mal's examples, he breaks rapport in some form.

    T-Mal also focuses on very strong attraction frames.
    Fun and Playfulness.

    Fun is the number one thing. You can break every single rule. You can demonstrate low value, say creepy sh1t, but if the girl is having fun, she is going to stay.

    Playfulness - bringing the little girl out in her. Taking her back to the playground. Nothing she or you say has to matter. Nothing serious. Nothing logical. Be a kid.

    I hope this clarifies

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    Default Re: What comes after breaking rapport?

    The most important thing is to have fun. If you are having fun its likely they will too. You qualify and read the situation to calibrate how much fun you need to keep the energy at or adjust your energy to theirs. A bad PUA will follow attraction models instead of reading the situation and leading the girl through phases to get her to comply, qualify and accept your comfort and teases.

    Remember if you are 't having fun and being yourself then you're doing something wrong. Your intent shouldn't be to get a number or get laid. Your intent is to have a good time and if the girl / target is itching to join then you can build upon the situation and escalate to have more fun with her. The more fun she's having the more likely you can escalate with less walls to break down because you've read all the signs and adjusted your frame to the situation having her qualify and comply to you being with her and allowing your Kino ladder to escalate.
    Every moment counts, get out of your head and enjoy it.

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    Default Re: What comes after breaking rapport?

    There are different ways you can break rapport. In general you just want to be light and playful. You can tease, disagree, exaggerate (verbally and physical / facial gestures), etc. Something I like to do after I open them is that I transition with, "Wow! You're really friendly! Where are you from?" After they tell me that they are from "X", I' may give an exagerrated expression and playfully throw my throw my hands up and say, "Oh man! I've heard about you girls from 'X'..." They may laugh and ask what, and then you continue, "You girls are nothing but trouble..." Point is to treat them how you would when you are busting one of your guy friend's balls or teasing your little sister and have fun with it. Make sure you do these with a smile and plenty of facial expressions so thur know you are kidding.
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