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  1. #1
    TheGuyYouWishUWere Guest

    Default Great Fieldtested openers +Intro

    INTRODUCTION
    In search for an online sarging community that fits me best and is the most active, i decided to post on several fora and check the responses i get to make a choice between them. Since i'm new at this forum, but a somewhat (field)experienced PUA i figured i made a contribution to the community before leeching of it so here goes:
    I'll describe 2 of my personal favorate openers with a wingman, and 2 without. Then i will explain why (i think) it's working.
    These openers/routines have been field tested by myself and several wings, and are known to get good/great feedback depending on deliverance and ofcourse ongoing performance of the PUA.
    Also i live in Amsterdam where the girls are generally easily to open but in my experience harder to fck-close.

    Feedback, comments or possible improvements on both would be apreciated!

    OPENER WITH WING
    Basically i walk up to a set with my wing, talking to him about her without looking at her but she can hear everything being said.
    Also i can walk into a set in a seemingly interesting discussion with my wing about x topic and make sure that they can hear the end of the discussion, making them interested in the conversation and then pulling them into the convo by asking them their opinion about x topic.
    Ok enough chit chat let's cut to the case.

    FM NAIL OPENER
    Open set
    Have a discussion with your wing about prefering french manicured nails (FM nails) vs natural nails and let your target hear some of it. Then grab her hand, don't look her in the eye and show your wing the nails. If she pulls her hand away tell her (look at her a moment before telling her) that you were having a discussion about the nails and you wanted to show your friend her nails. SHE WILL SHOW YOU!
    Show disinterest
    After she has shown you her nails don't continue talking to her, but talk to your wing about her nails. She will stand there like wtf. If you see that explain to her that you were having a discussion about the nails.
    dhv
    You can either tell her if she has FM nails that u like the more natural look but hers are ok as well. Or tell her that u prefer FM nails if she has natural nails. Whatever you say DONT SAY HERS ARE PERFECT!
    SHB Qualifies
    Usually the SHB's have FM or used to have them. If she doesn't have them she WILL usually QUALIFY herself by telling you that she used to have them but can't because of work blablabla. Ur in, take it from there.
    HB Qualifies
    Usually the HB's doesn't have them and they will tell you that it makes her looks trampy. Tell her that you don't believe she can pull it off or she doesn't have the right nails for them. She WILL usually QUALIFY herself to you. Ur in, take it from there.

    WITHOUT WING

    Ofcourse you can do this opener/routine without a wing, but it is much easier to let her qualify to the both of you if you are having a discussion about her having the right nails or not.

    WHY DOES IT WORK

    It works imo because you are showing interest in something besides her looks, you are not looking at HER but at her NAILS. She doesn't hear that very often except maybe from gay guys. Nails are important to ladies and they are very consious about them, critising them will put them in defensive mode and trigger them to Qualify herself to you. When she qualifies to you she acknowledges that you are high value and she needs to get herself to your status. As we all know High Value is attractive so yeah that's pretty much it.





    OPENER WITHOUT WING
    I usually don't sarge without a wingman, while i know it can improve my game i see sarging as a hobby to do with my best friend. I compare it to playing fifa soccer on the PS3, while playing alone improves your own game alot, it will be less fun. And besides if you play 2 vs 2 you have to play very diffirent than 1o1.
    That being said when sarging with a wing there are alot of situation when you will be alone (Wing goes to the bathroom, Wing is in a 1 set etc.) So i also have some openers to use without the social proof of my wingman.
    Needless to say is that when i'm alone i prefer to open large sets or lone females, if i'm with a wing i WILL open 2 sets because when i'm in the set the return of my Wing will serve as great social proof for me. And the fact that i went into the set alone proves that i'm a confident guy thus DHV.
    CORNY PICK UP LINE OPENER

    For this pick up line you need to have some higher value already for it to work. If you are a starting PUA and still anxious about aproaching or getting demotivated by being rejected this is not for you. If you are a super confident guy and know how to improv this WILL work.
    Open Set
    Walk into a set and tell your target the corniest line that you can think off, don't be shy and use the worst of the worst. e.g "Your father must be a thief because he has stolen the stars and hid them in your eyes". The girl will usually laugh or look disgusted, if you're in a mixed set laugh and shake your head. Turn to her friend and tell her: "You see! You girls are so Hypocritical"
    Continue

    If she ask you why great, if she doesn't continue explaining anyway. Tell her that if a guy steps onto a girl and tell her something like that it will look corny/cheesy and it looks like he is trying to pick her up. But if a girl tells something similar to a boy she walks onto we are supposed to act normal or be labeled a jerk.
    Story telling

    She will usually deny, tell her this story. "Earlier this evening i was standing with my friends at the bar drinking our drink and talking about how great yesterday was. Then i get tapped on my shoulder and a pretty lady was standing there. She smiled and me and told me that she knew me from somewhere, when i told her that she had to come with a better pick-up line to get my number she got all pissed off." Tell her again that women are hypocritical and point at your target. She WILL come to you or her and ask her watsup, tell her the story if you like or make it seem that you are walking away if that seems fit. Tell her another cheesy pick up line, this time she WILL react. Ur in, take it from there.
    Isolate/Venue change (optional)
    Ask her if she wants to go test this with other females at the party.


    WITH WING
    Ofcourse this opener is alot easier if you're with a wing, because instead of talking to her friend and hoping that she will react the way you want her to react you can tell your wing about hypocritical women and let him agree with you. Also it makes it easier to isolate your target in 2 sets.

    WHY DOES IT WORK
    The target will at first think that you just dlv to her by coming on to her in such a classic/corny way. But when you show that you levelled her by letting her know that she did excactly what you thought she would do she will feel the need to Qualify herself or women in general to you thus DLV herself. There is very little chance that she will react at the corny pick up line but if she does you can call her on falling for such a corny line and changing the routine completely.

    That's it for now, again feedback or (wellbased)critism is apreciated and i'm looking forward in further participation/discussions!

    Greetz,

    They call me Fonz

  2. #2
    Ridikulus Guest

    Default Re: Great Fieldtested openers +Intro

    Fonz... welcome to the forum and great post there! I especially picked up a few tips and will certainly try the fingernails routine.

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    Default Re: Great Fieldtested openers +Intro

    Nice post and welcome. I like your trick of pulling in the second girl, while build social proof with the first one.

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    TheGuyYouWishUWere Guest

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    Thank you both for the warm welcome here!

    I'm glad to see that you like it, hopefully it can benefit you.. are there any MUST READ threads you can think of besides the sticky threads?

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    Default Re: Great Fieldtested openers +Intro

    There's always good stuff on this forum. Look for threads with lots of pages. The long threads almost always are jam packed with good info. If you are looking for something particular, let me know. I can probably point you in the right direction.

  6. #6
    culturedpearls Guest

    Default Re: Great Fieldtested openers +Intro

    Haha. I personally haunt the 'bringing up the topic of sex' thread... just in case I run out of ways, you know.

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    nofriend Guest

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    Great stuff man. I love doing routines like this, really more fun than anything.


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