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    Default Kiss on First Date? Mystery Method versus La Ruina

    I live in Germany, so things might be a bit different.

    Essentially I am confused if I should go for a kiss first date, (Ruina) or go over at least two dates building comfort (MM)? Key point Do I kiss close first date even without kino, hand squeeese....?

    I am Latin looking, Mr. Nice Guy. I find it easy to Number Close and get dates, but always get LJBFed.
    Met this Hot Babe at a party, mid 30s, just like me, got her facebook account, flirted with her heavily on fb, asking her if she kissed well. She flirted back, describing how she would kiss me, and then I asked where? A few min later, I got a message saying that she just wanted to be friends. I wrote back that I had not invited her for a date, and if she wanted to have a beer with me (I had told her that we should get together over beer sometime), she would have to invite me. Ignored her. Refused her first invitation out, deliberately missed her second one, since she always insisted on meeting me with others. I did not play that game.

    Finally she called me and we met up one to one over beer. Nice. Played Cube (effective), dhv, light kino (we were in a pub face to face), but yes, no excuses, I did not do any hair touching or face touching. Talked a bit about sex, but played La Ruina "what are your passions?" questions followed by statements, essentially built rapport, cut the date first, cheek kissed at the end. She paid for my beer and said I could get the next round! fine, at least a free beer...... Anywway, did I do wrong without a kiss close.

    Should I text her and say it was an interesting conversation! May have negged a bt too much....also let her choose the venue, but after refusing two dates, I think it was ok.....and I don t know the city that well. So now, shoudl I call her, say I want to hang out again? Text her? send a message on FB? Ignore her?

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    Default Re: Kiss on First Date? Mystery Method versus La Ruina

    don't ignore her, but do make it seem like too busy. i'd frame things along the lines that you keep on forgetting to invite her as soon as you're out and about and get her text. then after the 2nd time you do that i'd suggest saying "looks like i keep forgetting to invite you to all of these cool things, later this week i'm going to XXXX be there at XXXXX. i promise you wont miss out on the fun" my suggestion would be to make this date (don't tell her its a date) sometime around a late afternoon--like 2 hours before dinner or something. sometime where you know shes going to be hungry after not eating for like 4 hours. hopefully by then you've picked some place close to your house where you can go back to. half way through mention you're hungry and you make a mean meal. then take her to your place and feed her a meal if you can cook--this will set the tone to a little more intimate and she already knows whats going on by you being alone with her. this way a kiss is more than likely expected already. plus if you escalate you have a bed or a couch to make magic happen.

    ultimately the beginning part where you can be busy--you don't have to do--but have some plans in mind already for what you wanna do with her. make it seem like she missed out and now you're including her. it makes her feel a bit special even if you're doing some mundane things--like buying new shoes, clothes--or if you're brave enough tell her you're going to cook and have her meet you at the grocery store in which your date is there. you're shopping for food because you need to get some--you don't have to include the fact that you're making a meal before she gets there--but the timing there should be that she could just stay longer and eat--and by doing that rapport is build--and it gives you time to escalate.

    if timing is an issue i'd suggest just picking something more defined as a date.
    Every moment counts, get out of your head and enjoy it.

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    Default Re: Kiss on First Date? Mystery Method versus La Ruina

    I always try to kiss on the first date. If you're in the frame that its not a big deal then she will buy into that and kiss you back. just be sure there is some obvious attraction before plunging in.

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    Default Re: Kiss on First Date? Mystery Method versus La Ruina

    I have never been on a first date & not kissed the girl.

    1.) don't go on "dates" do casual hangouts. "Dates" are a lotta pressure on the girl.
    2.) don't try to kiss her at the end of the date. Go for the kiss halfway through the date. Best way? Grab her arm & rub your eye. Then look at her & ask if there's something in it. When she says no, look at her lips, then back to her eyes, then lips, (triangle gaze) & kiss her.


    If you have her alone & aren't kissing her on the first hangout something is going wrong.

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    Default Re: Kiss on First Date? Mystery Method versus La Ruina

    I'm gonna have to go in the opposite direction of those above me. Realistically, even if your game is not that solid, you still have a social sense that lets you know how a date went. If your walking away from it kicking yourself, you know it probably didn't go the way it was supposed to (though there are times you're wrong). When it goes right, however, you can just feel it, and she can feel it too, that's what usually gets the day 2.

    This one should be calibrated in my opinion. If you feel like you should be kissing her, do it. If your still not feeling comfortable with the situation, don't do it, it's going to be forced and awkward, and will only diminish your chances of day 2. More importantly she'll feel it and everything resulting from that awkwardness will be projected upon you, she won't want to see you again. Eventually as your game gets tighter, you'll start to feel those kiss her moments, but that's only because everything before hand has lead to that comfortable feeling.

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    Default Re: Kiss on First Date? Mystery Method versus La Ruina

    Get her out again, lead her to your place...

    I guess You know what to do afterward..

    Kiss isn't a close. Girl kiss with guy all the time nowadays.

    First Sex is more like a close. Multiple good sex with her, case closed.

    She's yours. Provided you treat her nice outside bedroom too.


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