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Thread: Using Kezia Noble's 9 point hook system to talk to girls

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    Default Using Kezia Noble's 9 point hook system to talk to girls

    Hi,

    I am a beginner to the game, but one of my sticking points was conversation, especially on a first date.
    Here is what worked for me

    The 9 point hook system (Kezia Noble, How to become a Master Seducer in 15 steps)

    The 9 hook points are

    1.Open questions.

    2. Facts. Say, for example if a girl tells you she is from Sweden come up with an interesting fact about the country and follow with Did you know that..........then depending on her answer you can move to Tasks (Hook 7). Tell me more... (I have not tried this one yet)

    3.Opinions Be strong. Don t be vague. If it escalates into an argument use the diffusion technique, which is essentially to raise your hand, say stop, then "We ll never agree, so let's stop arguing. I like it that you are a strong woman who is not afraid to stand up for what she believes in."

    Don t say you hate something that she loves passionately. Always disagree on neutral topics, like her favorite movie, music, or a place she visited etc. For eg. if she says she loves Paris, then yu say you could never find the attraction. That leads to an emotional Hook Point. Don t disagree with everything she says.

    4.Challenges.

    Challenge her intellectually, or challenge her by lightly teasing her.


    5. Humor

    Important. If she does not get your joke don t be flustered. Lean back, look her straight in the eye, and say "You did not get it, did you?"

    6.Story telling. I have adapted this to include revealing my own vulnerability, or talking about moments when you were really frightened. This makes targets get close to you.

    You basically follow the TIDE system, which is Timing, Inclusion, Description and Emotions

    Timing Speak slowly. Speed up to create drama, pause for effect, slow down to create tension.

    Inclusion Add little questions that include her. Say you are talking about Paris, add an yes or no question, such as have you been there? etc, which you can then, after the story use as a lead to continue. So what do you think about Paris? etc

    Description Add little details. I was narrating a story about a couple to a target and her eyes widened when I put in details like there was a flower on the table, a dinner for two, stuff like that. the same story to a male friend made his eyes glaze over when details like that were added.

    Emotions Use them. If you can add a sad story great. Use emotionally charged words rather than vague ones like cool,nice etc.

    7.Tasks

    Use commanding words like "Tell me...., " "Show me...." then when she gets used to doing stuff, make her put her number into your phone. (I HAVE NOT TRIED IT YET)

    8. Validation

    Always have high standards and make it clear that she has to live up to them. For example, say "You have nice hair, but you would look sexier if it was (blond to black) etc. There are two kinds. Positive Validation. Say for example she says that she is a doctor, but a general practitioner. So you say "That's interesting. Most people go for the money, but you would like to meet people." So it is like you are ticking boxes for her.

    Then you use negative validation. This replaces negs. For example, if she says she likes to holiday in Greece, you turn away as if slightly disappointed. Remember this is after positive validation. So it seems that you were approving but then she turned you off. Turn away, and say something a bit negative like "Oh really?" in a negative way. She should begin qualifying herself. If she does'nt she is not interested. It is basically push pull. You build her up, then bring her down.

    9. Assume something about them. In case it is wrong, listen carefully to how she responds. There will be a hook. Take it from there. For example, if she completely disagrees you say "Really. I d have thought that....." with strong eye contact. Then "so why do you.....(here you use what she told you)


    So that's it. Hope it works for you guys. It helped me get over my first date conversation block and also the constant "What do I say now?" when I talked to girls.

    BEst
    Roger

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    Default Re: Using Kezia Noble's 9 point hook system to talk to girls

    I liked this thread I found it very informative is there a book or eBook on this system?

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    Default Re: Using Kezia Noble's 9 point hook system to talk to girls

    Nice stuff. Kezia has great advice for men... Plus she has nice boobies

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    Default Re: Using Kezia Noble's 9 point hook system to talk to girls

    Holy crap! That's sound VERY complicated! I use some of these "techniques" naturally like being opinionated and using statements like "tell me. show me". I think it's decent stuff but it makes it more complicated than necessary.

    You can literally talk to a woman about anything as long as you do it confidently. The substance means very little.

    I must warn you about the qualification thing. If a woman doesn't qualify herself it doesn't necessarily mean she is not interested in you. If she's smiling and giving you eye contact that's all you really need. You could blow your chances on some women who ARE interested but do not qualify themselves. Plus one thing I've learned as well: If she's on the date with you she IS interested...otherwi se she wouldn't be there!

    Talking about emotions is good. Ask her how she feels about things but I would try and steer clear of stories about you being vulnerable UNLESS they were a long time ago. Also, make sure you convey that that's how you USED to be and are not anymore. Vulnerability is a feminine trait and something you want to avoid.

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    Default Re: Using Kezia Noble's 9 point hook system to talk to girls

    Yes, there is a book. How to become a master seducer in Kezia Noble, How to become a Master Seducer in 15 steps. Actually I really need this. Took a break from the game for about 6 weeks, and yesterday I was on a date. Completely forgot this stuff and long periods of silence ensued. Needless to say it was not one of my better days.

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    Default Re: Using Kezia Noble's 9 point hook system to talk to girls

    Sorry guys... My 1st rule ... Don't take advice from women on gaming. Ever. David D says what people say they like and what they actually like is two different things. Girls giving advice will only make you doubt PuA advice.

    Rule number 2... Stay away from celeb dating coaches or people on talk shows. Accept of course people from Pu like Mystery.

    I also still appreciate the time you took to share op.

    Edit: Forgot to add... She has alot of points from Pua which makes me think she has studied them or something lol. Because what she says has been said by countless pickup guys since forever
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    Default Re: Using Kezia Noble's 9 point hook system to talk to girls

    I saw her being used by Gambler as an example chick in some seminar. It looked like she was saying to herself in her head "I can make money doing this?!"

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    Default Re: Using Kezia Noble's 9 point hook system to talk to girls

    In that case, what would be the best single book to read for PUA? I have been reading quite a lot and it is really confusing.

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    Default Re: Using Kezia Noble's 9 point hook system to talk to girls

    @Roger... If your confused, ask questions on this forum. There are plenty of guys here willing to help u out.

    As I said, alot of what she says has been said before by most of the master PUA. So if you like the way she says things, then go with it. The only thing I see that she does is put herself in the info as an example. Some of the advice is ok.

    Here's a small list of PUA you could look into... David DeAngelo, Mystery, Nick Savoy, Braddock.

    Here's a list of solid PUA on this forum... Red Baron, Xavier, T-Mal, Bat man, Cody.

    Check them out and maybe you can clear up your confusion
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    Default Re: Using Kezia Noble's 9 point hook system to talk to girls

    Quote Originally Posted by daffyff View Post
    I saw her being used by Gambler as an example chick in some seminar. It looked like she was saying to herself in her head "I can make money doing this?!"
    I can totally see that happening lol. And since she's a cute chick, she probably thinks guys will listen to her way easier than a male PUA.
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