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    Talking I'm (not) in love with a stripper!!!

    So I've been recently trying to game this Stripper by the name of OliviaI met. Funny thing i matched her on Tinder. Made a comment to her about writing a poem (because on her profile she said she was a poet. I wanted to tryto write something because i knew i was rusty) and how i was failing at writing one. I ended it by saying i should stick to my drawing skills. She replied by saying she'd offer a $5 discount on our first lap dance. I laughed and replied i only drew people ive met. If anything id be open to exchanging a poem for a drawing. She some how misunderstood what i was saying in replying that she wasnt looking for a relationship. So funny. I never once mentioned dating, relationships or evem making out.

    I left Tinder at that but I was too excited and inspired. I decided to do what i do naturally and draw women I fancy to let my imagination go wild. 6 hours later after working on some art i called it done. I saw online she was still working at the club so I do what i do best and made a bad decision to go see her. I arrived at the last half hour of her shift. Although i was excited i knew she was tired. She knew who i was. Danced and teased me a bit and it led to the VIP room. It was interesting--i hadn't been in a Strip Club in about 6 years. I used to go regularlyto build up my knowledge of women who prayed on the weak. Part of the excitement in goin to clubs was the power to pick and understanding the rules of engagement while earning the trust of a stripper who was never too keen on things. Eventually you can wear some walls down if you work it right but most strippers know better.

    Anyways i was trailing off--back to the subject... After the dance she gave me her instagram. I think its funny how people are using instagram now instead of FB or Texting / calling... The next day Insent her a direct message with the drawing I did. She replied that she didnt get it. That it looked like something anyone could do with a filter on their phone. I replied back stating that it looks that way but its not--theres a lot of technical mumbo jumbo that didnt need to be said and i made it clear that its not something anyone can just replicate. I also stated that i found it funny and a bit sad that there was no poem in response. I ended it with saying too bad i won't be her regular coming in just for her dances--but it was to be expected. She later replied saying she still didnt get it and that shes not looking for a relationship. Lol.

    Now that we're all caught up to speed on the events--time for my thoughts...

    To me this is all fun. I'm not looking for anything other than lure entertainment that she's providing me with in thinking i want something from her. My actions in my opinion make absolutely zero sense to even myself but I'm seriously having the time of my life. I do think it'd be fun having a girl to talk to about what she sees guys doing / trying to pick them up so i can learn what to do and not to do to further my Hired Gun game. I'm reall not worried about losing her because I plan to go back to tip her a dollar as a parting gift so I can hang out with and get dances with a different chick whom i met after my dances with Olivia.

    So what am I looking for with Olivia? First and foremost I'd like to neutralize her hostility because thats not fun if I want to go back to that club. I don't think she's hostile but she does have a b1tchshield up and continues to sh1ttest me about not wanting a relationship. All of this was her assumptions. If I can be neutral with her--i'd like to just keep things flirty and fun. I honestly dont want anything from her other than the idea that there is someone I can swing game at knowing it'll never go anywhere just to see how far i can take it or wear the walls down. I've actually done it before--getting a stripper's real name, number and facebook. I'm just looking to explore again. Tips? Thoughts?
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    Default Re: I'm (not) in love with a stripper!!!

    Art,

    Kinda funny you bought this up. To tell you the truth, strip clubs are actually one of the very first places I started working my game. To me a Strip Club is a great place to practice external game (batting practice). I got really good over the years with a 85% n-closing strippers. 2 of my ex's were strippers (and I will probably never put myself through that again!) I can actually write a book/guide on this. I call strip clubs batting cages.

    My game with strippers is really not much different than with non-strippers. The biggest obstacle is navigating around the whole "customer" thing because strippers aren't suppose to date customers. It's their rule in terms of work ethics and also management at most clubs doesn't allow it. (Any exchange of numbers must be done discretely.) You will hear it all the time as a Sh1t Test, but the truth is every stripper has at least dated a customer.

    So the trick of it is to stand out from the actual customers by not "being" one.

    The biggest tip I can give you is to build "passive value" by getting to know the bartender, DJ, security, waitresses, etc. You become what is known as an "insider." When I'm in the club, I don't act like a customer. I don't sit at the tables, I stand at the bar where girls usually use as a rest stop to take a moments from soliciting customers at the tables. I also don't sit at the stage aka "Pervert's Row."

    I also avoid spending money on them as much as possible. It's okay to spent some money, but VIP rooms are a no no. Based on my experience, buying one lap dance does help your cause. I would buy them a drink, but only after I set the frame that they earned it by qualifying her.

    Appear unimpressed and never compliment them on their looks (something every chump customer gives her too much value on)

    Also, the conversation topics I come up with sets me apart from the customers. One of the biggest things I set up is I tell them a story that my ex is a dancer. What you want to sub-communicate to her is that you understand her world and you are cool with what she does. There is a trend where customers she met at the club that she dated eventually are not cool with her dancing especially when things get a bit more serious. A lot strippers would ask me how I felt about it and I would typically respond. "You know...I trust her because she has been doing this long enough to know she won't do anything unsafe. I see guys clamoring all over her, but I don't care because at the end of the night, the coolest thing is she leaves with me."

    I also ask alot of comfort/rapport questions. So while chump customers are asking her questions like "How long have you been dancing? Do you like it here? Do you have a boyfriend? What does your friends and family think about you dancing? (and tons of boring small talk Qs that she heard a hundred times), I'm asking questions like...

    "I bet after working as long as you did here, you must see some very interesting characters. After 4 years it's like having a psych degree. You can open your own talk show. So if you had your own talk show, what would you name it?"

    Qualifying/Disqualifying her
    "You know, I'm really impress you have a lot going for you outside of this. Damn, too bad I swore off dating strippers because I can tell you and I would've gotten along!"

    How to pass her Sh1t test and then buy her a drink without losing power.

    HER: So do you want to buy me a drink?
    YOU: Oh I don't know...Every girl I buy a drink always tries to get my number and get into my pants. I'm not that easy! You are going to have to get to know me first.

    YOU: Here's something I'm curious about. If there was ever an unauthorized biography written about you. What would you want people to know about you?
    HER: [she shares something personal
    YOU: Wow. That is really cool. You know what? I'm going to get us some drinks because I really want to hear more.

    YOU: So besides being the most artistically talented girl in this club, what else secret talents do you have? Something someone would least expect if they just met you?

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    Default Re: I'm (not) in love with a stripper!!!

    Y'know, I'm really comfortable around strippers, but never thought to date one especially by meeting her at the Strip Club. excellent advice IM mortal.

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    Default Re: I'm (not) in love with a stripper!!!

    Dean Cortez has some GREAT stuff about gaming strippers.
    I can't remember if it's in Mack Tactics or not, but I think so. (I'll have to pull that out & take a look)

    But I also have an audio interview that Jon Sinn did with him where he talks about gaming Stripper too.

    But his input was solid!


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    Default Re: I'm (not) in love with a stripper!!!

    Im at my day job on break so here's a quick reply...

    I recently got in touch with my old Stripper friend who i would frequently seek out at the club. She gave me her number after the first dance i had with her. I had known her less than half a hour ago but it off great. Nothing romantic. But i decided today to seek her opinion about her perception of me to maybe peek into the reasons why she was so open with me.

    Me: i know it's a long time ago but what was your first impression? did i ever strike you as creepy, appalling or a risk to you in the time that you've known me?
    Stripper: Actually no. You were very approachable, respectful, and cute (th). It was refreshing in that environment, to be treated like a human being.

    I got her to reveal a few other things about other guys which was kind of jaw droppig but none of it is related to the community so that'll just go into my personal memory bank. In the end i think why i got her number was because she was genuinely excited and smiling. When you game and learn some of the attitudes in the enviornment at a club you can tell when a girl is just waiting for you to just get a dance so she can make her money. I'm in a different state altogether rigbt now--i realize i can't game the same way with buying a drink because its some what of a club rule now here. Its also strange to me that there aren't people asking to buy shots or drinks for the ladies here...
    Every moment counts, get out of your head and enjoy it.

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    Default Re: I'm (not) in love with a stripper!!!

    Wow just got back into the Stripper game and seriously its a wicked game. Already got an instagram close and a stripper to feel guilt and invest in me after spilling my drink. field report might be coming soon after i see the value of the instagram close.
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    Default Re: I'm (not) in love with a stripper!!!

    BEWARE... this is more like a journal entry to help explain to those who might be interested in a gym like scenario to practice game.

    So today i got paid, after taking care of a few bills i decided to rock out in the batting cages as Immortal puts it. Arrived at a Strip Club i've decided to be my gym to test out game with different dancers to see if i can improve my social awareness with women in a bar like setting. luckily the city i'm in has many of these strip clubs and they're more like bars than they are traditional strip clubs where you are constantly hassled for tips or dances.

    after arriving at the club i took bill preston's advice on his post about stripper game and immortal's 2 cents too about treating it like a gym. i drank 2 beers before i gave any strippers my real attention. i used the reflections on the walls to gauge the mood of the club, picked out which girls were of my exciting caliber. i went up to the stage to tip--i had seen an image online earlier today with a dollar bill standing on another dollar. not sure if it meant anything so i tested it out when i went up. dancer didn't treat it like it meant anything. got a small preview and decided to sit back and wait for another dancer. tested this out 2 more times.

    on the 3rd dancer i decided to fold and stack my dollars into some kind of structure--it didn't matter what i could tell the 3rd dancer whom i'll call Jersey was flattered that i was building something. no one hardly builds things out of dollars for these dancers. she made it a scene that she had to knock it down to get to me. i laughed. she laughed back. 2nd song came around--her clothes came off, i repeated the dollar stacking and had my drink slightly to the right of me but still in reach. she came back and gave the same reaction--i told her to blow it down like birthday candles. she did it. i laughed. as we were having a moment she kept moving her legs around and knocked my drink. i laughed so hard that i walked away. that's never happened to me before. after coming out of the bathroom she walked up to me and said she'd buy me a beer. she was now thrown off of her high horse of being a Hired Gun. i made it appoint that because i've never had this happen i needed to see if she was better in giving me a lapdance. sadly she wasn't that much better. i couldn't stop laughing about the drink. it was my way of saying this dance isn't doing it for me. my laugher made it clear that i was not interested in her bouncing on me. personally i prefer the dry hump / grind. it's a way for me to practice my Kino--and gives me extra room to practice my eye contact with a girl in seeing if i can get an extra look in her eyes. i use dances to help me gauge how accurately i can read a woman as well as escalate physically and verbally.

    after the dance she went back into the dressing room, i ordered a meal. i was hungry. during my meal i saw a new dancer walk in with a strong confident walk unlike most others who are rushing to the dressing room ignoring everyone there. i entertained myself with Jersey a few more times without tipping at the stages now. she kept making it clear that she felt very normal with me and that she didn't want to give any dances to the group of asian guys whom she originally thought i was with because i was asian too. i laughed. i couldn't help it. ultimately she gave in and gave them dances.

    around this time i decided to sit down with the one girl who walked in with confidence whom we'll call Sylas at the bar. we talked for a bit--there was another girl who was trying to share seats with her and then realized she was supposed to go up to the stage. i easily convinced Sylas that we were going to make it rain. between the two of us we had $10 singles total. this is something i picked up back in college--if you can get a dancer to treat other dancers with you the more all the other dancers are more likely to flock to you because you're breaking the habits of other customers. yes it's spending money but--you're creating a social situation in which the girls are excited to be entertained by. they're more likely to invest in banter after these situations because you're not just gawking with dollars out of your pockets. the dancer on the stage kept making remarks about Sylas and how jealous she was of her moves. i was in the moment and we went back for a dance. 1 minute in she heard her name called. i called her a tease--she said she owed me one. i followed her to the stage but hung out at the bar first. saw that no one came to see her dance. i went in and did not throw down any singles. because no other guys came up to the stage we just talked as she dangled her legs wrapped around mine. found out we knew mutual acquaintances. her stage time was up--and now back to the full dance. i layed down what i was interested in for the dance and she reciprocated with lots of eye contact. she led my hands to places most dancers would never even want to move them on her own accord. the dance was great--got to practice my kino and eye contact and picked up where we left off in conversation. then she went back to the dressing room and i went to the bathroom.

    coming out of the bathroom i saw Jersey in new underwear. sat down with her. she kept talking about how weird the other asian guys were. i was officially beyond just a regular customer at this point--i was not dealing with a hired gun any more. my time with Jersey was always laughing and smiling because of where things have gone since she's spilled my drink. had she not done this--we would not have gotten this far in connecting. towards the end of the conversation her time was closing up and i made a mistake of saying that i hadn't tipped her for the last few dances on the stage--personally i didn't mind saying it because of the spilled drink... but it was bad etiquette. this was the last i saw of her--she went home without saying good bye. it's fine because i was too busy...

    ...talking to Sylas. i joined her back at the stage--no tipping. because we already connected previously through 2 stage dances and a lap dance she spent more time with me than the other men now gawking at the stage. in the middle of the 2nd song after she left me to goto another customer i walked away and stood at a table. she came by and obliged that i sit with her. we talked. pulled out phones and i closed with her instagram and got her real name. found out she has her own business--travels around the world to do photoshoots and that she's been in magazines. pretty sure i've breached the customer zone at this point. as we talked i found out she has a half white half japanese kid--but no longer married to that guy--instead married to another guy whom she has an open relationship marriage with. found out she's not just a dancer but i guess they call these dancers who take the strip club game more seriously for entertainment sake to be called 'Liver"s. made sense to me--our mutual friend had the same vibe too. after continuing to talk found out how much she made on an average night and that in her time already there she already locked in $100 for being in there for barely 2 hours. i thought about getting one more dance but i called it a night.

    ---now after all this looking back... i made a risky move by the 2nd half of my night by not tipping at the stage. i don't recommend this to everyone doing it. but i was ballsy. i believe because i was so talkative that i kept the dancers occupied about who i was to them instead of focusing on the money. because i got 2 dancers to laugh--smile and offer to close the gap between our relationship between customer and hired gun they were open to my presence more than other men who just sat there quietly staring. i'd imagine most other customers do not do much conversing and simply lay out dollars for a show not knowing you can game the girls for more than just a show--but for their company as well.

    in the end i probably spent more $$$ than i wanted to but i only walked in there with cash and didn't pull out more than i needed so i can get creative with my game. to be honest being short on dollar bills for stage tipping made me curious if i would be able to pull this off--but luckily i connected with the girls before all of this. hopefully this stuff helps those of you lurking to improve your game with Hired Guns. again--think of these strip clubs as gyms to break down those hired gun scenarios. all the same rules apply to other hired guns--they're just not as... naked.
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    Default Re: I'm (not) in love with a stripper!!!

    So long story short i got a stripper interested in meeting outside the club. Its playing by ear right now. Going to let the temsion build for a week.

    Any thought on escalating with an elite of the Hired Guns? Lol, she's already a pro at seduction. She's made it clear if i play my cards right i can close all the way. Just wondering if my approach should be different than an HB because she's used to reading and using LMR. Know what i mean?
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    Default Re: I'm (not) in love with a stripper!!!

    Art,

    How do you know she is a pro at seduction? About 90% of the ones I encountered or know personally aren't.

    Anyways the process of how a stripper hustles a guy is different from PUA.

    The ones that are good do this:

    - They grab a seat with guy and invest some time to get to know him and feel him out.
    - They listen to him and they always complement him to fuel his ego.
    - They act genuinely interested in getting to know him to a point where it looks like they aren't hustling for dances. The idea is to not appear they are after the green in the guy's pocket.
    - They usually always agree with what the guy says or get the guy to agree. This is a sales technique of consistency and commitment.
    - Then she will pop the question casually about a dance. By then, she will seem so cool and genuinely real, the guy almost feels obligated to reward her by buying her a drink or a lapdance.

    Majority of the strippers don't do this. Why? Because it's too much work and they aren't smart enough. After all, they are taking the easy way out showing their ass for green.

    Regardless, their methods don't stand up to an well versed PUA who knows the strip club game. I'm usually a step ahead of them.

    In your case, just game her like an HB. I would focus a bit more on comfort (getting to know her as a person) and getting her to qualify. Getting her to qualify is very important as it frames her as the chaser and it gives you the dominant position in conversation, all the while keeping things playful and flirty.

    I usually find it easy to escalate with a stripper because they are "Justifiers" (in Vin DiCarlo terms) and are open about sex.

    When I flirt with them, I usually honestly let my intentions be known. On my last trip to a strip club, I said this to a girl who I planned to meet after the club.

    HER: "It's too bad you don't smoke weed."
    ME: "It's okay. You can smoke my share, while I can get off on your pu$$y."

    Lastly, they don't use LMR. If you are really playing your cards right, they will be secretly rooting for you. To get them to meet you outside the club already means you have been doing fine so far. If anything, they will Sh1t Test you to see if you are a chump/beta. That is probably what she meant if you played your cards right.

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    Default Re: I'm (not) in love with a stripper!!!

    Yeah the forwardness of sex i kinda gathered already and threw it out there. Looks and money doesnt seem to motivate this girl in the sense of attractiveness. Personality seems to be key. So far being extremely talkative seems to work with the frame of being interestingly genuine compared to other men just gawking.

    As for seduction... She plays those cards in the club like you're refferencing. Actually most do that i've encountered so far. But i'm actually referring to her lapdance. The tease is pretty strong with pushing forward with Kino. She doesnt seem to have the verbal seduction down but her kino is there. Obviously she has to frame herself in control and escalate on the dances but eye contact and certain kino moves in her routine escalate outside of what i've seen with most girls. And from being a frequenter back then i believe thats saying a lot. Most girls tend to bounce, grind hard or whisper in ear as signature moves but this one claws, strong eye contact and lots of lips touching the outside of mine at times. As i know that she probably does this to at least half of the other guys it doesnt phase me. These ladies hustle and realistically most women have been with at least a few guys before we get to them.. Especially the HBs.

    As for being able to tell if she was just hustling me for my dollar and not being genuinely responsive to my interactions... What gave it away to me was my 2nd visit with her i held back my personality some. She pointed it out as it was awkward compared to the first interaction in which she thought i was going to talk her ear off. To me i held back for several reasons without explaining. I didnt put my cards on the table because i knew the risk of being played with. I watched and gauged her reaction to throw her off. To me by making mistakes and creating tension felt like the only way to seperate from the customer / Hired Gun senario. Which i believe worked. My 3rd visit last night she was interested to meet and shared the above interest of playing the cards right. To me that meant play the Kino Escalation game of every light is green till its red while talking her ear off and distracting her like in the club. I guess i'll wing it and see.

    Thanks again immortal. Im quite sure i'm hitting a lot of these marks with this one on queue. I havent pushed for a lot with this one but we'll see what happens when we meet up.
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