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  1. #1
    Bart Doe Guest

    Default Making the step from conversation to intimacy

    Hi guys,

    I have trouble with making the step from conversation to intimacy. The conversation part is not a problem, I feel. I can pick up a conversation and steer it, asking questions, etc.

    However, then there is the step to body contact, kissing, etc.

    Especially when you are in separate chairs, I find this difficult and will generally talk too long.

    Tips?

  2. #2
    Kheaven Guest

    Default Re: Making the step from conversation to intimacy

    Kino.

    I usually have the routines to do so such as palm reading which I open up by saying, PUA:"Did you know that I'm psychic?"
    HB:"What? No. Then what am I thinking?"
    PUA:"Not exactly like that, here"
    (Start routine)
    In this routine I'm touching her hand a lot which has her familiar with my touch.

    That's really the first step, getting her familiar with your touch.

    After building some rapport with someone that I've seen at least a couple times, I say
    PUA:"Hey, we should have our own handshake."
    HB:"Oh cool, sure."
    This leads to always having the initial kino which is important everytime you see or meet with her.

    These are all basically to get her familiar with your touch.

    The steps after this are a bit easier to do, in my opinion.

    You should always be playful.

    *WATCH STEALTH SEDUCTION!
    http://www.puaforums.com/how-pick-up...atch-here.html

    There's the link.

    Continue to read after watching the video.

    -----------------------------------------------

    *Always be playful

    What I do is that when pretending to be in a relationship with the girl, such as pretending to be bf and gf, is that I keep the eye contact with the girl, and introduce her to a friend that she hasn't met yet and say "Oh, hey, have you met my new girlfriend?" and I got in to hold her hand.
    Scenarios:
    (She doesn't hold your hand)
    -She will most likely say "No", but giggle at your effort and playfulness which is an ioi that she's giggling yet she is disagreeing
    (She does hold your hand)
    -I would say that this is rare since it hasn't actually happened to me yet since I do this as just a playful thing early on, but if she does, hold onto her hand for a second, but let go and not hold on in order to show that you're not needy and to make escalate the intimacy quicker.

    ***This is made in the assumption that you're built enough rapport and comfort with her that she won't just walk off and act WTF toward what you just did

    The video should show you everything you need in order to be playful and ensure that you're in the right mind and position to Kiss-Close the HB

    ----------------------------------------------

    Also, FLIRT

    *Show that you are sexually playful
    **If she calls you a negative name because of your actions, but she's laughing and the comment is obviously not serious, reply with
    "Insults? Apparently you flirt like a 3rd grader"

    **I can't stress enough that she MUST be comfortable with you along with rapport**

  3. #3
    Mystery_wannabe Guest

    Default Re: Making the step from conversation to intimacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kheaven View Post
    Kino.

    I usually have the routines to do so such as palm reading which I open up by saying, PUA:"Did you know that I'm psychic?"
    HB:"What? No. Then what am I thinking?"
    PUA:"Not exactly like that, here"
    (Start routine)
    In this routine I'm touching her hand a lot which has her familiar with my touch.

    That's really the first step, getting her familiar with your touch.

    After building some rapport with someone that I've seen at least a couple times, I say
    PUA:"Hey, we should have our own handshake."
    HB:"Oh cool, sure."
    This leads to always having the initial kino which is important everytime you see or meet with her.

    These are all basically to get her familiar with your touch.

    The steps after this are a bit easier to do, in my opinion.

    You should always be playful.

    *WATCH STEALTH SEDUCTION!
    http://www.puaforums.com/how-pick-up...atch-here.html

    There's the link.

    Continue to read after watching the video.

    -----------------------------------------------

    *Always be playful

    What I do is that when pretending to be in a relationship with the girl, such as pretending to be bf and gf, is that I keep the eye contact with the girl, and introduce her to a friend that she hasn't met yet and say "Oh, hey, have you met my new girlfriend?" and I got in to hold her hand.
    Scenarios:
    (She doesn't hold your hand)
    -She will most likely say "No", but giggle at your effort and playfulness which is an ioi that she's giggling yet she is disagreeing
    (She does hold your hand)
    -I would say that this is rare since it hasn't actually happened to me yet since I do this as just a playful thing early on, but if she does, hold onto her hand for a second, but let go and not hold on in order to show that you're not needy and to make escalate the intimacy quicker.

    ***This is made in the assumption that you're built enough rapport and comfort with her that she won't just walk off and act WTF toward what you just did

    The video should show you everything you need in order to be playful and ensure that you're in the right mind and position to Kiss-Close the HB

    ----------------------------------------------

    Also, FLIRT

    *Show that you are sexually playful
    **If she calls you a negative name because of your actions, but she's laughing and the comment is obviously not serious, reply with
    "Insults? Apparently you flirt like a 3rd grader"

    **I can't stress enough that she MUST be comfortable with you along with rapport**
    I like your idea about secret handshake. I'm going to give that a shot. I find that many ebooks and PUAs say "be playful", but being a guy who's only used to interacting infront of an LCD screen, this can be a bit tricky.

    Are there ways that we can "learn to be playful?"

    I also see your compliance testing with the "hey have you met my girlfriend" line. It works, but if you don't have kino built, the girl will most likely freak out.

  4. #4
    Kheaven Guest

    Default Re: Making the step from conversation to intimacy

    I'm speaking out of my observation and I DO have natural game which is harder for me to observe since it's what I naturally do with girls.

    I'm currently in high school and the pretend girlfriend game works extremely well.

    Kino

    Initial Kino:

    -New HB: Introduce yourself with a handshake where you keep the eye contact, I notice that I sometimes look at their hand or where ever I kino them rather than keeping the eye contact, in order to get her familiar with your touch.

    -Day 2 HB: Upon meeting at your venue, hug her and get in close as if to kiss, but pull away when you feel the sexual tension, and you WILL feel the sexual tension, and turn around and say "Let's get going" and continue with your date.

    -Occasional HB (HB that you see every so often [2-5 times a week]): Since you see her occasionally, your initial kino should be a hug as if you hadn't seen her in a while, but don't treat it as you would a Day 2 hug. I run game on them and make sure that my rapport and comfort with her is going well enough to even be able to make the secret handshake routine.
    ((Again, I'm in high school so if this doesn't apply to you, at least in this scenario, you'll have to play with it a little bit and figure out how this will all happen before it actually does.))

    -Everyday HB (HB you see everyday): My friend and I refer to running game on these girls as Full Game. The other girls that I game (I use game rather than play because player is a more derogatory term)I call Pick-Up Games (Pun Always Intended) since I use them mostly for practice for the girls that I really want.

    *I don't run full games on all girls since I'm still in high school and there's a very high chance that a girl will say
    HB1: "OMG, Kevin showed me _____"
    HB2: "What? He showed me that too"
    HB1: "What else did he show you?"
    HB2: "_____________ and __________ he also made fun of my _______ (neg)"
    HB1: "WTF, he did the same to me"
    .................... ....

    The blanks represent my routines and since there are a lot of girls that I can game yet a limited amount of routines and negs I can do, they will inevitably see a pattern.


    *THIS IS WHY I PREFER STEALTH SEDUCTION
    You don't necessarily need to know routines to engage her (assuming you're experienced enough to know how to build rapport and comfort without making it awkward) and only using routines when there isn't much else to talk about.
    Stealth Seduction took my wasted confidence and playful time while doing a routine such as a palm reading. The palm reading is a great routine that helps you dhv, but the kino in it so too basic, touching of the hands is considerably low on the Kino Ladder.

    *IF YOU GET ANYTHING OUT OF THIS, IT'S TO ALWAYS BE PLAYFUL.

    I'll make a thread on how to be playful, but only upon request.

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    Default Re: Making the step from conversation to intimacy

    one of the best weapons to get intimate is DANCING. Here in PR we have reggaeton. Its amazing to get intimate because its a pretty sexual dance. once you get her confortable talking its just a matter of taking her into the dance floor its a matter of singing a hot song into her ear, some eye contact and the kiss is inevitable.

  6. #6
    Coyote Guest

    Default Re: Making the step from conversation to intimacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Bart Doe View Post
    Hi guys,

    I have trouble with making the step from conversation to intimacy. The conversation part is not a problem, I feel. I can pick up a conversation and steer it, asking questions, etc.

    However, then there is the step to body contact, kissing, etc.

    Especially when you are in separate chairs, I find this difficult and will generally talk too long.

    Tips?
    i have this same question to ask of a pick up i am attempting. the HB is a store manager and is interested in me. ioi's are constantly there and she sways back and forth in my pull. To make Kino though is crossing that line. the store uniforms etc... draw distinct lines between them and their product and places the customer in this store - customer relationship. It would startle her too much and after a few interactions i dont want to miss my chance and that means kino. Bouncing her out is a possibility though i really need to break that barrier down.

    I like the next post about palm reading as she knows i read horoscopes... I used one of her ex-colleagues as a pivot that i ran game on before she got pregnant with a partner that she aired some concerns to me about. I have infiltrated the whole business and had some handshaking with some of them but i got to break down the business facade and get kino


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