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Thread: Cultureral difference?

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    Default Cultureral difference?

    Hi there. I am fairly new to the game and primarily working on approaches and conversations right now. And I just had the most weird night of success / failures.

    So I was in a bar in Rome with a bunch of locals and expats, and had great sucess, almost made out with one chick (damn da cock block), one invited me to hang out another time, and generally flirted with most of the girls. Carrying the good buzz, I moved to a pub with mostly American students and tourists after the locals went home. I made 3 approaches there, all failed right away and one even gave me the cold shoulder treatment.

    So why did I fail so spectacularly in the second pub? How should I have changed my game?

    A few more details:
    I'm Canadian Asian, with a swimmer type muscle physique, wore boots jeans, casual shirt and satchel. I used indirect approachs, normally start with some comments about the surrounding or what they are doing here. The second pub were younger (college age vs late 20 early 30), it was also much louder.

    Any help or sugguestions are much appreciated!

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    Default Re: Cultureral difference?

    Go into a brief detail of your failed approaches so we can have a better understanding

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    Default Re: Cultureral difference?

    I keep approaches simple, just some boring everyday topics, like where they are from or what's there name. If they are even remotely interested(like most girls from the first bar), they'd ask back, and I'd make it playful by asking them to guess or make up some obvious bullshit answers. They normally smile or laugh, become curious and ask more questions, I bullshit a little more before turning the convo back on them with the hook points or hot read I gather.

    Now you got me thinking, in the failed approaches, the girls were all disinterested to begin with, so whatever I say, like negs or rapport building makes no impact on them. they also don't ask about me, so I couldn't turn the conversation playful.

    That means somehow I naturally did dhv with the first group and no DHV or even dlv in the second pub.

    I think I just answered my own question, thanks LS!

    Now I just have to figure out what DHV I did, so I can do more of those.

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    Default Re: Cultureral difference?

    Most propably your excitement and overall mood went down, when going to the second venue.

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    Default Re: Cultureral difference?

    haha. well firstly, how indirect do you need to be on vacation. I went to rome about 4 yrs ago. I was very direct and had much success. Rome is one of the sex capitals of the world. People are there to misbehave. Plus your hanging out in a place where people specifically came to socialize and engage in deviant culture. SEX, DRUGS, ALCOHOL. I'm not saying its acceptable to start palming asses. But would you be indirect in a brothel? When traveling abroad its completely acceptable to want to F-CLOSE. Its in the back of at least 50% of minds present. I saved my Indirect Approach for the art tours. Even still when night fell I was F-closing on the spanish steps with a bottle of red wine next to me. Bro i had so many girls in and out of my hotel I was embarrassed passing the front desk. YOU DONT NEED TO BE INDIRECT WHEN VACATIONING IN ONE OF THE SEX CAPITALS OF THE WORLD. Its a great trip, its very costly, just you being their your higher value is explained. Its no reason for you to not turn up and be alpha. What happens in ROME stay in ROME.
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    Default Re: Cultureral difference?

    You're welcome. Agreed. I think it was your energy and the fact that you didn't dhv with the new group. If you come off like you're genuinely having a good time and smile with confidence, I believe that is one of the best ways to get girls interested. They want to see why are you so da*n happy and how can they get some of that. Good luck bro!

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    Default Re: Cultureral difference?

    I agrees with the assumption that your mood changed with the bar and the woman felt that right away.

    Also there is a big chance you being an American was enough to dhv you in the first bar and dlv you with the American girls. Chicks love accents you know!

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    Default Re: Cultureral difference?

    good point deviant method, I'm still grasping the huge gap between what I was taught to be acceptable by my super conservative parents and what's actually acceptable in the west.

    I was amazed the other day that the girl I just met 30 minutes ago was laughing and got playful after I questioned about her skills at giving blow jobs. It blew my mind. lol now thinking about it I could probably f-closed, but I didn't even try to n-close.

    damn, those cultural programming are such handi caps.

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    I have this problem sometimes too lol. My parents are suuuuuper strick. Both military and old-fashioned so I had a hard time talking dirty to girls I meet without thinking about pure failure playing in the back of my mind. Honestly it rarely happens. Girls now are pretty slutty. You can almost do or say whatever you want as long as it's done confidently. Don't go TOO far TOO soon though lol. Just have fun bro.

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    My parents were also strict. I grew up in the church bro. But you have understand why there are forums like this. Its to provide what was not taught. Everything we learn in the book and on the forums is what should be giving to us along with the birds and the bee's talk. There is power in people misbehaving. Its the type of thing a PUA has to be trained to spot and take advantage of. Not that i do drugs because i don't. However a girl is far less likely to say she '' isn't like that'' after you guys spend the afternoon smoking pot and doing lines of coke. Alcohol is no different especially on vacation. People drink all times of the day. They are breaking western social norms in the process. Thats why MYSTERY wold say Isolate her to the dark spots of the venue. Nothing has change once you isolate her. The only thing different is she will be less likely to be seen making out with a guy she just met. Basically you need to display you live and have fun and your not afraid of what people think.
    Then encourage her to have fun as well. If a person feels they are free of judgement you'd be surprised what they will do. Its up to you to create that situation.
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