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  1. #11
    Justice Guest

    Default Re: Can i really be cure?

    All of you guys deserved some + rep. It has been given for all your support and help. Doctor, please take my advice... Run for prez. Just don't make the big mistake. (ie JF/Clinton) You probably will...

  2. #12
    Instinct Guest

    Default Re: Can i really be cure?

    @ That picture : Way to destroy this guys argument! lol!

  3. #13
    Coyote Guest

    Default Re: Can i really be cure?

    some of us white guys will put being asian on you cos we ..... well there is no reason. but if you let those messages get to you you are doing the job for them. instinct said it.... you can;t change it so embrace it. make it yours. own it. don't let anyone take it away from you

    do a bit of work and find out what it means

  4. #14
    Justice Guest

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    Update.

    Went to a bar early and played pool for a while. It was half empty, but had some university students watching the Canada VS USA hockey game. I tried to get eye contact and got a few catch... 2 to be precised. 2 girls were playing pool and i offered to play with them. They accepted and introduced my self. I got their names and tried to start a conversation while playing pool. It's just not easy. Finding something to talk about and then start playing on your turn kills the whole vibe. One of them was really active, she was smilling and having fun. While the uglier one was just being a real bitch. I couldn't get 2 words out from her mouth. I tried and tried to talk to the pretty one and kept getting interview style answer. Yes, no, yes , yes, no... so on and so fourth. At the end of the game, they decided to play Fuzzball and left me.
    What i was doing: I was keeping eye contact and it really helped. I didn't do any physical touching of any sense, because there was no excuse. The music wasn't loud enough. What i really am pissed off about is not grasping my inner bad boyness. I couldn't get ahold of it. I was unable to take control over the conversation. I had to play the nice guy teaching them how to play. I did say stuff like: You're cheating, you really should stop that. You're not playing fair... blah blah blah.
    So in all i just don't know what i could have done... The ugly one was killing The Vibe. She did not want to play and kept the attention from the purdy one.
    - I wasn't drinking alcohol (Cramberry juice) and didn't offer to buy any of the girls a drink. An old PUA friend told me to never buy a drink for a woman. If someone has to buy a drink, it's the girls.
    WHAT DID I DO WRONG, WHAT COULD HAVE I DONE BETTER? (Feedback please)


    After a few minutes of playing alone and watching the last period, i ended up playing with 2 girls. One was Heather and the other was Uma. As always, i introduced my self and so did they. I told them we can play 2 against 1. I was teasing them telling i was really bad and you had nothing to worry. The first 10 minutes went great. We were all laughing and enjoying the game, but later on it went sour. I felt a big weight on my shoulder. It wasn't weight, it was the silence in the zone. I felt pressured to start a conversation. It made me think that i had to do all the work. After trying hard to get a conversation going, they again just answer the questions with basic answers. It seems they weren't interested. Then... Uma's boyfriend came along. This wasn't fun at all. I had to focus my attention on Heather, but everytime i talked to her, her eye contact was facing away from me or on the ground. She showed no physical sign of attraction nor interest. At this moment i knew it was over. I stopped trying and at the end of the game, i told them i had to go.
    Lesson: I need a wing man to help me out, but at the same time i want to learn to pick up girls by my self when there's a group of girls. I would like to learn that art, since i really don't want to rely on anyone to get laid when i want to.


    After a few hours of rest, i went to another bar and made a great acquintince. His name is Jdamel. We played pool together and invited him to drink with my friends. We played Fuzzball all together. At this point i was tipsy and borderline drunk. Then a group of girls (3 to be exact) were playing right beside us. As they were playing, i said in a high tone voice: 'This is not fair!! She's playing against you two!! Can i join the game and help you out?' I got a positive reaction and bang i was in the game. Of course, i didn't let my wing man stand back and die of boredom. We all played together, our team won a lot. I always made my self the guy who stands out. I did something that i honestly thought wouldn't work. I worked on the ugly girl (Angela)and talked and talked. I think she really thought we were connecting. The pretty one (Jess) came and went to the bathroom/bar. Jdamel was hitting on the 3rd one (Marie). Then i saw that Jess was craving for attention. She needed it really bad and came at the right moment. I introduced my self and talked for a few minutes. I made her laugh a ton, i was being the top dog. Upon finishing our game we sat down and talked even more. Again i ignored Jess, then at the right moment SHAZAM, went back to her. Worked like a charm and her reaction to my interest in her was phenomenal. She couldn't stop talking. After a while, music came up and i said lets dance. As Jess was being shy and dance by the tables, i took her hand and dragged her to the dance floor. I knew the moment she started 'Shaking that booty', she was craving for me. I danced and danced but kept my distance.
    Later on my friends were leaving and went outside to tell them good bye. I could see that Jess was starring at me as if i dumped her (Jdamel later told me she couldn't stop looking at me while i was outside). Upon returning, i was dancing, but here was my problem. I didn't have the balls to take her hand and dance naughty style. Reason why? She was with Angela dancing as if they were lesbians. I was thinking to my self, take her hand and lead, but i guess my body didn't respond.
    After a couple minutes of this, they decided to leave. While they left, i went out with them and after all the talking i said: 'Wait wait! You're leaving without a hug?!?!?!'. I received my hug and looked deep in her eyes and told her: 'It was really interesting talking to you, do you have a number that i can reach you at so we can have fun again?
    SHABANG I got her number!
    Later on she called my home and left me a weird message (drunk screaming...)
    -Feedback/Opinion: Again i was being humouristic, but i still think i was too nice. What do i need to improve, what can i do to actually get the kiss on the first night, instead of the night we go out again.


    My personal opinion: In the first attempt was so so. It just the cock blocking bitch shouldn't have came. Second was just surreal shit. I wanted to actually take my stick and shove it up their ass and through there mouth. It was just plain and boring and those girls weren't fun. The 3rd was great, but i noticed a lot of things i should work on.
    Also, as a first impression and to the end, looks definetly matters.

  5. #15
    Instinct Guest

    Default Re: Can i really be cure?

    I don’t know if you know who I am, My name is Instinct and my comments are in RED.

    Quote Originally Posted by Know Hope View Post
    Update.

    Went to a bar early and played pool for a while. It was half empty, but had some university students watching the Canada VS USA hockey game. I tried to get eye contact and got a few catch... 2 to be precised. 2 girls were playing pool and i offered to play with them. They accepted and introduced my self.

    Let me be the first to say, Bravo for going out alone, overcoming your false beliefs (or at least starting to overcome them) and even more so for approaching, you are ahead of 90% of the people on this forum, isn’t that just sad?

    I got their names and tried to start a conversation while playing pool. It's just not easy. Finding something to talk about and then start playing on your turn kills the whole vibe.

    I never give people yes or no questions, I use to have a theory that if you went from yes or no questions into open ended questions (who what where when and why questions) that you could ease into rapport, now I know that it isn’t that word commitment, but the emotional commitment that she judges, so its going from very logic based, and quickly, into emotional based questions, If you want to be great at this, you don’t ease into rapport, YOU SLAM INTO IT!

    Asking question is attention seeking, that is not your personality on open, you are completely self validating at this point, questions are interesting and fun, how much attention they do or don’t give you has very very little effect on your ego, go as far as you can without knowing her name, I have gotten girls into bed who then said “uhmm, wait a second, what’s your name?”, this is the sign of a real pua (in her eyes, it just kinda happened, lol! ).

    Ask questions like this

    Pua “I actually have to go soon” (release)
    Pua “But check this out, its your birthday, (lite kino) and a magic turtle flys down from the sky (hands off of her, showing the turtle coming down) and he says “You can paint the sky any color today.” (lite kino back).

    Now you have 2 options, I am giving away way more of my stuff, I need to stop this.

    Option a) she is totally into you -

    Pua: “Pretty cool huh?” (this is your bait)
    HB: “uhh don’t you want to know what color I want to paint it?” (hook)
    Pua” Ohh, uhmm, yea I guess so, what color?” (uh oh, she doesn’t have my full interest yet!)
    HB: Lime Green! (hook)
    Pua: “Lime Green, I knew you where crazy, we could have so much fun together!! I can see us making sand castles that defy physics!” (reel. That is a massive reward)
    Hb: “That would be so cool!”
    Pua: “To bad you are such a party girl! It would never work out.(release, and uh oh, new bait, by the way, I hip check while I am doing this)

    This is how you do it, no body talks to her that way

    Option b) – Basically the same thing, but with less obstacles, this is when she is still judging you a bit, so you ask straight up, “which color”., lower the reward, because her work is less, she gets a reward that is just slightly higher than her work.

    Learn a bunch of fun things like this. And learn to reward with kino, not just give it, and to reward with past/future projections. BHRR, but interesting. You don’t need to ask Sh1t all day, ask it rarely, make more statements, I did a thing with MWB (where is that guy!) on how to talk to women emotionally, ask him about that, it helps so much.

    Check it out, no questions -

    Pua “God I need a cigarette, I am trying to quit, but today was really hard” (bait)
    HB: “what happened?” (hook)
    Pua “hold on I need a cigarette” (bait)
    HB: “Ok wait” (gets one from her friends (hook)
    Pua: “You are so crafty!, ok today…(tell the story, that is her reward, she is learning that getting to know you is a reward, this is attraction baby!).(reel)

    And this can have a ton of bait hook reel cycles in it, but once it starts to get to where she is understanding the pattern, or about to, release, say, Hey, I might come back, but I see my friend right there .

    One of them was really active, she was smilling and having fun. While the uglier one was just being a real bitch. I couldn't get 2 words out from her mouth. I tried and tried to talk to the pretty one and kept getting interview style answer. Yes, no, yes , yes, no... so on and so fourth. At the end of the game, they decided to play Fuzzball and left me.

    No matter if it was the woman’s fault or not, blaming her will give you no personal growth, so don’t do it, find out how you could have fixed it, if it was me, I gaunter by the end of the night she would have loved me! She would have been selling her friend to me for her.

    What i was doing: I was keeping eye contact and it really helped. I didn't do any physical touching of any sense, because there was no excuse.

    Because you just a guy who generally touches a lot, and it is normal. I touch everybody, all the freaking time, Stop thinking like a man. If you just touch right when you open, and you are confident, and completely non outcome reactive, she will just say “Oh, I guess this guy hangs out and touches people all the time, it’s his personality”

    The music wasn't loud enough. What i really am pissed off about is not grasping my inner bad boyness. I couldn't get ahold of it. I was unable to take control over the conversation.

    I don’t ever pretend to be a “bad boy” are you kidding, If I see someone in pain, I help them, if I see a situation where someone needs help, I am there, If I see a weak person, I really do care to bring them up. But my motivation is, because I am a nice guy, not because I need love. I have more of the “Cool Older Brother” attitude rather than the “Bad Boy” attitude. All of these “Bad Boys” are just children begging for confidence, a real man doesn’t need to call himself a bad boy or act like a d1ck, I bust balls cause its funny, not to cause harm, causing harm is reaction seeking, that is so beta male. If you look, Carlos Xuma, who is a very skilled PUA, says bad boy, but he isn’t describing a d1ck, I have seen his pick up, he just means super confident, non reaction seeking, living happily in his own world (Carlos posts here, so he could comment on this If I am wrong, but he is very intelligent and skilled, If you are new to the community, I have learned so much from his interviews, find them and DO listen to them)

    I had to play the nice guy teaching them how to play. I did say stuff like: You're cheating, you really should stop that. You're not playing fair... blah blah blah.

    I do this stuff all the time, teaching a woman how to do something is very sexual in her eyes (competence, plus confidence, plus ambition, plus risk taking). The concept of “nice guy” in the community is, he thinks if he is kiss ass enough, she will use him to raise her value and let him hang out, that doesn’t say any of those three. The women who I have gotten by being d1ckey, all turned out to be insane.

    But your teasing is fun and funny, good stuff.


    For everything I just said, I would love for one of our beautiful ladies on here to comment on it.

    So in all i just don't know what i could have done... The ugly one was killing the vibe. She did not want to play and kept the attention from the purdy one.

    You could have made things exciting for her, and negged her friend to prove that you weren’t trying to steal her friend (but not as a d1ck), and by the way, you can almost never get a girl to leave her one friend all alone, so this ends with you getting a Number Close in set, with friends approval.

    - I wasn't drinking alcohol (Cramberry juice) and didn't offer to buy any of the girls a drink. An old PUA friend told me to never buy a drink for a woman. If someone has to buy a drink, it's the girls.

    Right, you aren’t paying them to hang out with them, also, major points for approaching without alcohol, many newbie’s screw that up.

    WHAT DID I DO WRONG, WHAT COULD HAVE I DONE BETTER? (Feedback please)


    I commented above, but honestly, for a first set of the night, maybe of your pua career, good work.

    After a few minutes of playing alone and watching the last period, i ended up playing with 2 girls. One was Heather and the other was Uma. As always, i introduced my self and so did they. I told them we can play 2 against 1. I was teasing them telling i was really bad and you had nothing to worry. The first 10 minutes went great. We were all laughing and enjoying the game, but later on it went sour. I felt a big weight on my shoulder. It wasn't weight, it was the silence in the zone. I felt pressured to start a conversation. It made me think that i had to do all the work.

    Hmm, did you come off as attention needing? Did you do any rewards of good behavior, and negging to raise the rewards value? How interesting where you? Did you just ask questions, or did you make awesome statements?

    After trying hard to get a conversation going, they again just answer the questions with basic answers. It seems they weren't interested. Then... Uma's boyfriend came along. This wasn't fun at all. I had to focus my attention on Heather, but everytime i talked to her, her eye contact was facing away from me or on the ground. She showed no physical sign of attraction nor interest. At this moment i knew it was over. I stopped trying and at the end of the game, i told them i had to go.
    Lesson: I need a wing man to help me out, but at the same time i want to learn to pick up girls by my self when there's a group of girls. I would like to learn that art, since i really don't want to rely on anyone to get laid when i want to.


    I spent my first 8 weeks learning how to work without a wingman, I should really make a product on this, because I came up with some killer strategies that anyone can use to run a whole set, with amogging, obstacle distraction, approval, everything. Hmm, If I get bored I will put it together for free, if I get poor, I might charge. I actually, probably will just keep it to myself out of pure laziness.

    The point is, if they are ignoring someone, you can actually position the set, to where your back is to him, and she just forgets him until he just leaves, be careful, fights can and do happen. You can make an obstacle work for you, by gossiping about the target with her in a playful way throughout the set.

    Go out alone and learn how to do this with practice you can get really good.
    After a few hours of rest, i went to another bar and made a great acquintince. His name is Jdamel. We played pool together and invited him to drink with my friends. We played Fuzzball all together. At this point i was tipsy and borderline drunk. Then a group of girls (3 to be exact) were playing right beside us. As they were playing, i said in a high tone voice: 'This is not fair!! She's playing against you two!! Can i join the game and help you out?' I got a positive reaction and bang i was in the game. Of course, i didn't let my wing man stand back and die of boredom. We all played together, our team won a lot. I always made my self the guy who stands out. I did something that i honestly thought wouldn't work. I worked on the ugly girl (Angela)and talked and talked. I think she really thought we were connecting. The pretty one (Jess) came and went to the bathroom/bar. Jdamel was hitting on the 3rd one (Marie). Then i saw that Jess was craving for attention. She needed it really bad and came at the right moment. I introduced my self and talked for a few minutes. I made her laugh a ton, i was being the top dog. Upon finishing our game we sat down and talked even more. Again i ignored Jess, then at the right moment SHAZAM, went back to her. Worked like a charm and her reaction to my interest in her was phenomenal. She couldn't stop talking. After a while, music came up and i said lets dance. As Jess was being shy and dance by the tables, i took her hand and dragged her to the dance floor. I knew the moment she started 'Shaking that booty', she was craving for me. I danced and danced but kept my distance.
    Later on my friends were leaving and went outside to tell them good bye. I could see that Jess was starring at me as if i dumped her (Jdamel later told me she couldn't stop looking at me while i was outside). Upon returning, i was dancing, but here was my problem. I didn't have the balls to take her hand and dance naughty style. Reason why? She was with Angela dancing as if they were lesbians. I was thinking to my self, take her hand and lead, but i guess my body didn't respond.
    After a couple minutes of this, they decided to leave. While they left, i went out with them and after all the talking i said: 'Wait wait! You're leaving without a hug?!?!?!'. I received my hug and looked deep in her eyes and told her: 'It was really interesting talking to you, do you have a number that i can reach you at so we can have fun again?
    SHABANG I got her number!
    Later on she called my home and left me a weird message (drunk screaming...)
    -Feedback/Opinion: Again i was being humouristic, but i still think i was too nice. What do i need to improve, what can i do to actually get the kiss on the first night, instead of the night we go out again.

    Third set ever? NICE! Good work bro! Do you see how ignoring the girl who always gets hit on, makes talking to you a value, and so when she does get it, she cherishes it. But wait a second, this is impossible, you’re Asian, nobody would crave you right? Do you see now how stupid that belief is? If you keep that pattern up, you can have them all.


    My personal opinion: In the first attempt was so so. It just the cock blocking bitch shouldn't have came. Second was just surreal Sh1t. I wanted to actually take my stick and shove it up their ass and through there mouth. It was just plain and boring and those girls weren't fun. The 3rd was great, but i noticed a lot of things i should work on.
    Also, as a first impression and to the end, looks definetly matters.

    Looks matter to a point, with good looks and these skills, its like a car on nitrous, but when a car has nitrous but no wheels, you still win. You should see me right now, it’s not pretty, and I am having no trouble.

    (I am going to spend 50 weeks, getting in great shape, I am a former fitness trainer, I know how to do it, and I know all of the secrets, do it with me!)

    You did good, just keep working on it. The fact that you are opening alone, puts you ahead of most guys in the community, who read e-books and play video games all day and never go out. (I can hardly get through an e-book, infact, I have yet to, its so boring!)

    Edit: Oh yea, and the fact that you say "SHAZAM!" and "SHABANG" and "SHABOYA-BOP" is really cool, keep doing that, as a reward, like you say

    Pua: "Hand me one of those"
    and then she does it
    Pua: "Sha-wizzle!"

    Cool huh?
    Last edited by Instinct; 02-22-2010 at 07:27 AM.

  6. #16
    Justice Guest

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    Instict, your comment was very much needed. I'm in the process of re-evaluating my strategy. I'm in the process of taking all the interview of carlos and put them in my Ipod, also the video that Phill posted. (Phill you are once again awesome). I will be printing out pages and pages of comments becomeaplayer.com. I will be reading 'The game' and also 'How to read body language'. I'm a new man and it's all thank to many of you, especially:Instict, Doctor, Bill, Carlos, PrJav.

    I will continue to keep this thread alive. This will be my memoire of my PUA career. My goal is to go out friday/saturday and get as much experience and numbers. Funny thing is, i know i will get rejected a lot, but the andrenaline of getting in and getting out rejected is so farking fun, it's even better when i get a number.
    Last edited by Justice; 02-22-2010 at 12:00 PM.

  7. #17
    Instinct Guest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Know Hope View Post
    Instict, your comment was very much needed. I'm in the process of re-evaluating my strategy. I'm in the process of taking all the interview of carlos and put them in my Ipod, also the video that Phill posted. (Phill you are once again awesome). I will be printing out pages and pages of comments becomeaplayer.com. I will be reading 'The game' and also 'How to read body language'. I'm a new man and it's all thank to many of you, especially:Instict, Doctor, Phill, Carlos, PrJav.

    I will continue to keep this thread alive. This will be my memoire of my PUA career. My goal is to go out friday/saturday and get as much experience and numbers. Funny thing is, i know i will get rejected a lot, but the andrenaline of getting in and getting out rejected is so farking fun, it's even better when i get a number.
    If I were you, if you are in a big enough city, I would do Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday is date night. Just do 2 hours a night, and take a 2 hour nap right after work to make up for it. Right now because of my location, I have to do wednesday friday and saturday, and with the friday and saturday together, my voice is totally dead on sunday, and I just lay in bed the whole day and feel shit.

    Also, that's exactly right, even if you get rejected, its just good fun. And if I know that I am going to get rejected or blown out, I start experimenting with shit, and really really pushing it (don't get arrested).

  8. #18
    Justice Guest

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    Those nights at a bar i'm at are boring. No one is there and people that are there are with their plus one or dating. Also, please do elaborate why weekdays are good timing to go out and be a PUA?

  9. #19
    Instinct Guest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Know Hope View Post
    Those nights at a bar i'm at are boring. No one is there and people that are there are with their plus one or dating. Also, please do elaborate why weekdays are good timing to go out and be a PUA?
    It's just good to space days out, makes it way easier to stay motivated, and have energy, and meditate on your results in between, it basically doesn't steal your whole weekend. For me, come sunday morning, I hate Pick up, because I have had 24 full hours of it, But you have to be in a big enough city to have the right bars, and those bars are going to be hopping from 10-12:45 probably, not after 1:00. Right now I do fri/sat together and it works, but its a little crazy, I do pick up for about 8 hours per night just practicing new stuff, unless I am out actually trying to get laid, then I get home by 2:00. What you are looking for is the very hip lounges.

    Typical Friday and Saturday
    If I am training or winging someone, meet them at a resturant, talk for a few hours (like 8-10)
    go to an after work lounge, do pick up for a few hours (10-1)
    then go to one of the biggest clubs out there and do a few hours (1-4)
    then go to a gay bar where a lot of straight girls hang out after hours and do a few hours (plus I have some gay friends here) (4-6)
    then go get breakfast for an Instant Date or if I was with someone to replay the night (6-7:30)

    This is minimum.

    Plus on wednesday nights, I do like 3 hours.

    It is a ton of work, but I am experimenting, and playing with stuff, not just trying to get p*ssy, I am actually trying to get blown out in a a lot of ways, screwing with my body language, tweaking routines, ect... It's fun, but by Sunday, I put on super AFC clothes and body language, and walk around for 2 days trying to be ignored because I am so empty from it. Now come Tuesday, I am ready to go again, it is super addictive.

    If the bar you are at doesn't work for this, find a new one. I frequent about 5 bars and clubs.

    You CAN do fri/sat, its just really exhausting.
    Last edited by Instinct; 02-22-2010 at 12:13 PM.

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    Great discussion - I just wanted to chime in that some of my Asian friends are AMAZING with women. Use it as a strength, not a crutch. I've heard other guys say this and use it as an excuse, but then I see my friends who are Asian and have worked on getting their sh1t together and they are CRUSHING it with women.

    Anytime you make an excuse for something you can't control (your race, your age, your height) I think you need to step back and realize there are MILLIONS of examples of guys with the same characteristics who are not using this as a crutch or an excuse and are doing very well with women.

    Good luck man.


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