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Thread: thoughts on "fake it till' you make it"

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    Lightbulb thoughts on "fake it till' you make it"

    I'm not exactly sure if it's our praised and beloved Mystery (I speak so highly of him not only because of his methods, but for creating this movement, and also because he's probably the reason you're even on these forums) who was the first to say "fake it till' you make it" but he has mentioned it in his method, so I'll share with you my thoughts on that matter.

    He is indeed our most treasured face in the PUA community, and his methods are something unique, something he managed develop throughout trial and error. If you have not only read Neil Strauss's book "The Game" (which I assume all of you had), but also checked out MM, which was explained by Mystery himself with great detail, then you'll recall him saying "fake it till' you make it" (again, I'll assume you've had). Many have taken this into consideration, and applied it to their game, some talking about dhv stories that they never experienced, some simply adjusting their behavior, in-order to be seen by others as an alpha-male.

    Only if you're a skilled actor (which I'll just assume you're not) you'll manage to achieve great success with this. But most likely you'll be caught up in your own thoughts, working your ass off trying to convince others, through the way you talk and through your body language, that you are indeed a high value male who possesses the traits, that you desired to apply to this persona. If you've tried this, (fake it till' you make it) then this should sound familiar to you. But just like anything that's stacked, or learned only to receive a desired emotion within others - it's not genuine, and it will take you a butt-load of time (yes, I'm actually using this phrase to measure time, props to me) to actually swallow the bulls.... you've been feeding others, because of the following reasons:
    1. To truly change the way you act, you must first focus on changing the way you think - the way you see yourself, the way you see others, and the way you see the world, not the other way around.
    2. It doesn't matter how much time you spend improving your body language, spending time with a pen in one hand and a notebook in another creating the most impressive DHV stories - believe it or not, your unconscious mind will punish you, by making you dlv without you even noticing.

    And these are just at from the top of my head, if you see pick-up only as learning one-liners to get laid, best of luck to you, I am sincerely sorry for wasting your time with such a post. But if you're anything like me, you don't look at pick-up as just "picking-up" females with a phony persona, so being untrue to yourself is not taken into consideration. Faking it until you make it is not enough for you, you don't want to behave like an attractive alpha-male who is respected and has social-intelligence - you want to be him, and you're willing to not partaken of the so alluring drug (easy way/alternative). The best way to become one is to not merely think of yourself in such a way when you're trying "to get lucky", but to achieve this type frame/Mindset in every single aspect of your life in a way that is most suitable to you, pushing yourself further with each day, no matter where you are at this point. There are countless traits/behaviors which suit best the word "alpha-male", but thinking in such a way, or trying to find the "answer" will only leave you restless on how one thinks and acts (because there are countless and well valid opinions on the matter). The best piece of advice I can give you on the matter is - improving yourself FOR YOURSELF - not to gain the admiration of others .

    sorry if some of the vulgar-language left you offended.

    with all due respect - the infamous,
    -Alergy

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    Default Re: thoughts on "fake it till' you make it"

    If you really want to be alpha build a ship.

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    Default Re: thoughts on "fake it till' you make it"

    On a short term basis, just to give you a kickstart, I would say fake it till you make it.

    A worst case newbie has no (successful) reference experience to relate to, so if you tell him to "have the right Mindset" it won't make much sense to him and he might end up thinking that you are either stupid or crazy.. lol

    On a long term basis, yes it won't work. But for an extreme case newbie, I'd still recommend the routines/canned material approach. (Because inner game won't work anyways)

    Ps: I'm a bit surprised. Such kind words for Mystery?? Lol

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    Default Re: thoughts on "fake it till' you make it"

    Sam I agree with like everything you post its awesome haha.

    But yes I agree sam. In your newbie phase I believe to make quick progress, faking it is totally fine. You hvent quite built up your inner confidence/banter creativity and thinking on your feet yet, so faking it is cool. Even those shitty lines and such can be a benefit. But to create sustainable game, you must work on your internalizing.
    Started game in 2012. Professionally coaching for 2+ years. Strong believer in good karma, if you'd like me to give you a call/skype/email for some quick tips please reach out. Happy to help. It's cool if you're weird, I am too. Just don't be super fucking weird alright? learnrealseduction . com

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    Default Re: thoughts on "fake it till' you make it"

    of course a worst case newbie has no successful experience - that's why he's an extreme newbie (I imagine one with no social intelligence and awkward as hell), who's looking for a magic pill to cure him (one liners, dhv stories) without putting any effort towards improving yourself. Actually a few people working in CollegeHumor have written a book called "How to seem like a better person without actually improving yourself" (real book not even joking) that should be also a must read for those who are in search for such a magic pill.

    I can't exactly recall who it was, but it's a MPUA who indulges in training those who are new to the game and he was talking about how stacked routines brought him some success, but he realized the he needs to become a natural at pickup. He spent a few years doing this, and when he decided to start working towards becoming a natural - he was back at square one. The only thing that memorized techniques has brought him was confidence with women which was destined to crash n burn because when he tried to say something that is suited to his personality the woman is left with disinterest due to the fact that over his couple of years in practicing pick-up, he has had 0 experience with improving his social skills. The only thing that's agreeable with your opinion is the fact that one-liners are a good kick-start, but not more than to start a conversation or having a few stacked lines to get you back on track when the conversation's gone dull.

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    Default Re: thoughts on "fake it till' you make it"

    Alergy. On point dude. Totally agree (although I still have reservations regarding Mystery, I do admire your respect for him nonetheless and I am still learning)
    You will never do ANYTHING in this world without COURAGE. - Aristotle

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    Default Re: thoughts on "fake it till' you make it"

    I could ramble on on and on about why I have such respect for him, but I'll give a brief explanation for it - a method build all throughout experience, which required a lot of hard work making connections - finding patterns, by looking at how people reacted differently while he was saying one thing and while saying another, what built attraction and what left them with repulse, not only by knowing WHAT to say but realizing what affect it had on the unconscious mind of his target. Truly a self-made master in the art of PU, unlike those who only absorb the teachings of others, put it to other words (not even necessarily better ones) and claim the reward for the hard work of others, most times even stating that all others teachers are WRONG and that his way is the only way to go (mostly for profit purposes I suppose). "If you want others to be interested in you, you have to be interesting", great words, too bad they're often confused with filling your mind with stacked routines - the main purpose of this topic was to emphasize that idea

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    Default Re: thoughts on "fake it till' you make it"

    @Lifestylebible Thanks dude. Appreciate it. Don't listen to me too much though, I often make shit up myself. Lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Alergy View Post
    I could ramble on on and on about why I have such respect for him, but I'll give a brief explanation for it - a method build all throughout experience, which required a lot of hard work making connections - finding patterns, by looking at how people reacted differently while he was saying one thing and while saying another, what built attraction and what left them with repulse, not only by knowing WHAT to say but realizing what affect it had on the unconscious mind of his target. Truly a self-made master in the art of PU, unlike those who only absorb the teachings of others, put it to other words (not even necessarily better ones) and claim the reward for the hard work of others, most times even stating that all others teachers are WRONG and that his way is the only way to go (mostly for profit purposes I suppose).
    A typical example of this is Nick Savoy. All due respect to him but I strongly disagree with his methods of marketing.

    I was reading his article (or about his product - don't remember) a few days ago and he even gave the credits of "Jelous gf opener" to Magic Bullets (his own book) while in the book itself he gave the credits to Neil Strauss. But who cares? Those who read that book would've already bought his product.

    Now that I've explained it, credits to Sam981 for Magic Bullets.
    Last edited by Sam981; 12-18-2015 at 02:35 PM. Reason: Typo


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