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    Default Cold reading and pandoras box

    ok so vin dicarlo figured out how to determine a type of woman and how to use cold reading to attract her. But you have to evaluate her three lines and figure out the type of girl she is before you use cold reading.

    Be warned this is very long and very in depth. So watch out.

    You could also watch this video here: pandoras box

    First Line (Time Line): Tester vs. iNvestor

    Simply put – a Tester prefers to date multiple men simultaneously, and an Investor is VERY uncomfortable doing so and prefers to focus all of her efforts on one single guy.
    You could say that a Tester can be attracted to many guys at once, but an Investor is not.
    The Test / Invest element is the most fluid and most easily able to change of the three character dimensions. It can change gradually with age, but also depends on her individual dating experiences.


    Tester: It’s all about emotional diversification. She doesn’t want to put all of her eggs in one basket. Most likely it comes from being hurt in the past – romantically.
    So she tests. She keeps men on the side. She flirts heavily and leads guys on.
    What’s important is the understanding behind WHY she does these things. Many people think that women date many guys at the same time in order to figure out which one is the PERFECT guy.
    And they’re wrong.
    In fact the Tester does NOT really even CARE about finding ONE perfect guy. She is getting the total package by getting certain types of value and emotions from the combination of guys.
    And if they are young, they are simply thinking “I’m just having fun for a few years and then I’ll find someone to settle down with later”.
    And surprisingly – within those few years, even if they find that perfect one, they might still date others who are not as good as him.
    I’m going to generalize a little bit – and this isn’t the case 100% of the time, but in general a Tester has suffered some kind of romantic loss where she has felt cheated and betrayed by a guy in the past.
    A TESTER dates multiple guys to feel significance – to be validated as a desirable, attractive woman. And this is VERY important to women.
    One of the girls who I met doing this actually dropped out of college for a YEAR and is now a year behind so she could move into the city and SERIOUSLY date men full time – and on average was dating 8 guys at once – all of which were completely clueless. She would treat all 8 of them pretty well – so they all thought they were the only one…

    iNvestor: So while a Tester is indifferent to really finding that one “perfect guy” an Investor DOES have getting the perfect guy in the back of her mind.
    However – it’s not that she finds the perfect guy and then decides to stick with him – it’s that she is trying to FIX him. She sees that he has potential. The guy has POTENTIAL to be perfect for her. And that is what keeps her devoted to him.
    She will usually have ONE THING she is trying to “change” so that he becomes perfect for her. But here’s the kicker – once she does get him to change that one thing – her interest usually goes right down the tubes.Because for her – the feeling of having something to work on, something to “fix” is what keeps her interested and attracted. That will play heavily into our in depth strategies for attracting an Investor.
    Investors make GREAT girlfriends – that much is true. And well, Testers can be a lot of fun, but if you want to change them into an Investor, that is going to take a different strategy - which we’ll discuss later in the program.
    What’s even more interesting is that an Investor will stay with a guy until she is CONVINCED he is not the one. The key word – being convinced. She usually has to be convinced BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT that he is not the one. And if she is convinced, she will move on to the next guy, sometimes with a testing small phase of in between them.
    And an Investor has also suffered some kind of romantic loss – but does NOT feel cheated or betrayed – either she had to move away from a guy she really loved, or lost him in some other way – OR and this is a big one – blames HERSELF for the loss.

    Second Line (s3x Line): Justifier or Denier

    Deny / Justify is the s3xUAL dimension of a woman’s character type.
    To me, this is the most important dimension, and it is the one that I pay attention to the most in my interactions.
    I will often build out my entire strategy based on this one dimension alone, and if you really nail it, with master execution, the other two will not matter nearly as much.
    The reason is because our most predominant role in a woman’s life is s3xual. s3x is the reason why we all exist, and it is very primal and basic.
    So pay attention.
    Let’s talk first about the conflict a little bit. Most, and if I had to put a number on it, probably 95% of women have experienced SOME level of s3xual trauma – or negative feelings and emotions associated with s3x and a lack of control about s3x.
    This is something that is a challenge to understand as men.
    The analogy I like to use is being surrounded by a bunch of men, who are all bigger and stronger than you, more aggressive than you, and also want to have s3x with you.

    Denier: A Denier will essentially BLOCK out and remove those negative experiences from her memory. She will literally believe they didn’t exist.
    That is why many cases of molestation, s3xual harassment and rape go unreported. Her mental mechanism prevents her from confronting the memory.This allows her to still view s3x as an incredibly powerful, positive and pleasurable event. In my experience, and in the experience of many of my trainers, Deniers are much more immersed in s3x, and go a lot deeper into the feelings than Justifiers do.
    And for that reason – it can be a more satisfying relationship in many ways. Having s3x with a Denier is more special and unique because they have had far fewer s3xual partners.
    Quite often Deniers have a strong religious background as well. The religious training tends to compartmentalize the different areas of her life, and she will have much stronger mental filters to keep things separate.
    This allows Deniers to have a tendency to sometimes live double lives, and do so very effectively.
    I once dated a girl who was a Denier, and I was with her for a full five years before finding out that she was once raped by a guy many years before. She never included this incident when she talked about her s3xual past and did not count it when she told me how many guys she was with.
    Now of course I never held this against her, and in fact I was very understanding… But what’s interesting is this: It wasn’t until I started this research and had a very deep understanding of the female mind that she brought it up... And it was something she sensed in me – it wasn’t that the project prompted me to ask her about it.
    And that is something that you can expect to happen in your life as well… as you get deeper into this system, you will find women becomingmore and more open and honest with you. They will sense that you “are one of them” and things that she would NEVER tell other guys will be put on the table.
    And no, it’s not all stuff you don’t want to hear – there are some AMAZING benefits to being in this “secret society”. Women will be much more open to letting you have multiple relationships, casual / no strings attached relationships, and they will feel much more comfortable showing you the full spectrum of their s3xuality.
    That’s beside the point. Let’s get back to Deniers. There are definitely some downsides to Deniers. First of all, and this applies to ALL women but women, but women will sometimes be more likely to lie to you the more they like you.
    Why? They lie because they can and they will be more concerned with maintaining a certain perception if they like you. There’s more to lose if you don’t approve of their image.
    And – if they cheat (which is actually less likely to happen than with a Justifier) they will be FAR less likely to let you find out. Usually it will just be a onetime thing, and they will suppress the memory as if it never happened.
    That is something that women are MUCH better than men at. They are very aware of how they are being perceived at all times – especially Deniers.

    Justifier: A Justifier has the same negative s3xual experiences that a Denier has – but she uses a different mental strategy altogether… She will JUSTIFY the experience by lowering the significance of s3x in her mind.
    By lowering the significance of s3x, it makes the negative experience less painful. This allows her to retain full access the memory, because it has a much lower intensity.
    The mental dialogue will be something like “oh s3x doesn’t mean that much” or “s3x isn’t such a big deal” – and this dialogue aligns her full belief set to become congruent with that.Now as a consequence, s3x actually begins to mean less to these women. She will give it up much easier, be more likely to do things like have s3x in public, have threesomes with other men or women, and go into professions like being an escort or stripper. (Btw not all strippers are Justifiers – just a vast majority.)
    And as such – having s3x with a Justifier carries much less weight than it would with a Denier.
    Justifiers, unlike Deniers are very s3xually open and will sometimes have hundreds of s3xual partners over their lifetime.
    One big surprise to me is the sheer number of women that I met during the project that have been with over 100 men. Openly, and shamelessly.
    And these weren’t just cougars in their forties either – many of them were in their early twenties who were able to accumulate those numbers in college, often sleeping with a new guy every other weekend.
    Just because a Justifier has a lot of experience and may be considered loose s3xually, it does not mean that she cannot be an amazing girlfriend.
    In fact, if you can become her “prince charming” Justifiers can become incredibly loyal and safe from cheating. This is something I’ll talk about in depth when we get into the advanced strategies. Here’s a hint though – you will NOT become her prince charming if you are too focused on s3x.That’s a huge difference. Because she has reduced the significance of s3x in her mind – if you seem to desperate for s3x, or make s3x seem like a big deal, or make too many advances, or in general seem like too horny of a guy, she will lose respect immediately, and it’s usually something that’s nearly impossible to recover from.
    And when they go with your advances, Justifiers will sometimes go so far as to think that hooking up was their idea! This makes them VERY open to s3xual reframing, s3xual prizing and falsely accusing them of being perverts and wanting you too much. Again this will be covered in depth in the advanced strategies later on.
    And if you’re dating a Justifier – you have to be extremely vigilant. Justifiers love to test your limits (don’t confuse this with the testing dimension, I’m talking about testing YOU) but a Justifier will test you over and over to see how much of a man you are. You need to be VERY aware of these tests so that you can nip them in the bud by punishing them IMMEDATELY.
    And it’s for that reason, that testers are a big challenge to many guys – but if you pass her initial tests, having s3x with her is INCREDIBLY easy and takes barely any effort at all. If you get alone with her it’s RARE there will be any resistance whatsoever.
    One final thought – do not make the mistake of thinking that a Denier is a good girl and a Justifier is a bad girl. It has nothing to do with m0rals or her overall intentions being altruistic or mean spirited. It is simply her individual defense mechanism to dealing with a very real and powerful emotional conflict. The key is not to judge it, but instead to understand it, and know how to use it in your favor.

    The Third Line (Relationship line): Realist vs Idealist
    This dimension describes a woman’s relationship – and general strategy for balancing her dating and romantic goals against all other aspects of her life.
    The terms Realist and Idealist really describe how they view their future life with their partner.
    Out of the three dimensions, this is the least likely to change, and tends to stay pretty constant throughout a woman’s life.
    Again the Realist / Idealist dimension is the one that deals with the conflict between her inner biological drive to be a mother and take care of her family, and the fast paced, modern society that pushes her to work on her career.
    Again – her biological drive urges her to focus all of her energy on her family, but society, especially her schooling, urges her to work on her career.
    The Realist / Idealist dimension is less of a coping strategy, but more describes which drive she favors. Of course, every woman will have some component of each, but there will ALWAYS be one that she favors and gives priority over the other.
    All women have a fear of not finding a great guy to be with, that will provide and take care of her and her family – but Realists feel the fear the most, and because of that strive to become completely self-sufficient.

    Realist: The Realist is a woman who is Realistic in the sense that YES, it is possible – especially with today’s divorce rates – that she will be not end up with a guy to provide for her.
    So she is the type of woman who will focus on her studies and have very ambitious career goals. She will often be more logical in her thinking and I’ve met some Realists who were incredibly sharp in business.
    Most of the Realists who we met were born with those natural urges to become housewives, but over the course of growing up and in childhood, have seen men who were incapable of taking care of their wives or families. It could have been their father, uncles, or husbands of their mother’s friends… Either the men left completely, or were just not suitable to be good supportive husbands.
    And then they would also see these women who have their own careers, who were independent and seemed to be a nice positive reinforcement of the negative effects of incapable men.
    So really – this dimension is all about upbringing, and that’s the reason why it’s the least likely to change throughout her life.
    A few years back, I was in a situation where I was struggling financially, and I actually met a woman who was a Realist (looking back she was a NJR). And it turned out she had built and sold a business, and was very successful.Having this woman attracted to me, and dating her was a lifesaver… She would buy me nice new clothes, she would take me out to dinner, take me on vacations – and she even helped out with critical things I needed like a stove and refrigerator.
    That is very typical when you get a woman who is both an investor and a Realist…
    Other Realists I’ve dated have all been very self-sufficient, they prefer to pay for or at least SPLIT the bill at dinner, and this is really enjoyable to a lot of guys.
    But in the back of her mind, with that self-sufficiency she is always going to have a belief that you may not be there for her one day, so she will in a sense always keep one foot outside the door. And – if she is a Tester, she will be even more likely to ease that feeling by keeping other guys in her life.
    A lot of Realists don’t believe in the idea of marriage. Of course many do – but out of all the women who have told me they have no desire to get married, and don’t plan on getting married, they have ALL been Realists.
    It’s not that they can’t be in a functional, loving relationship, it’s that they realize what marriage really is – nothing more than a legal agreement which binds two people and has very little to do with love.
    The real mark of a Realist is her self-sufficiency – which some guys might confuse with being masculine… but it isn’t. It’s merely because her fears of being alone are SO great that she resorts to that – but deep down she is still a woman and using the right strategy you can get complete devotion and have a very feminine and loving partner.

    Idealist: An Idealist maintains her IDEAL image of a happy man and woman living in a house with a white picket fence and a couple very happy kids.
    And this image is so strong, that she is willing to overlook the possibility of it never coming true. She disregards those fears. Of course the fears will always be there – but they don’t affect the way she dreams, and relishes in her fantasy of having a perfect family someday.
    Most Idealists were brought up around capable men who were happy in their natural supporting roles. Many Idealists came from families that stayed together, and the parents never got divorced, their dad was successful, and their mom was an awesome housewife and cook, maybe she had a job, maybe not – or she grew up meeting boys who loved her and really took care of her naturally.
    As a result she would naturally be less ambitious about the future because she has a strong feeling that she would be taken care of.Dating an Idealist is one of the most satisfying, emotional experiences a man could ever have. She believes in TRUE love and if you ask her about it, she can talk about it, she knows that love is a real thing, and she will gladly share the vision of her ideal future with you.
    Idealists love to daydream and often have a vivid imagination. Most of the Idealist strategies rely on taking advantage of that imagination and filling it with thoughts of the two of you being together.
    One of the drawbacks is that an Idealist will eventually pressure you to get married if you date her for over two years. This might be great for some guys, but if you’re looking to be a real player and date a lot of women – be careful with that. You could end up breaking some hearts.

    Ok now that we have that. We can find out the kind of girl she is by the different combinations of these three lines. Which make it 8 different types. After determining a womens type you can use advance cold reading on her to make her feel like you understand her as a woman to her very core.

    Cold reading:
    The Playette (TDI)

    1. There’s something about you that reminds me of myself. It’s like you don’t take people very seriously until they earn your trust. But at the same time you have fun. For me, I like to hang back and watch what people do, and decide who close I want to be with them. Most people let me down, so I’m definitely not trying to jump into anything serious when it comes to women.
    2. There’s something about you…I think you show it on accident sometimes. You have this inner sensitivity. When I touch you I can feel a soft warmth under your cool, hard shell. I have my walls too, because when I give myself to someone, it can be really scary. But at the same time I want to because that’s when I feel most complete.
    3. I love it when you get silly on me. I wouldn’t take you seriously otherwise. Because I’m gonna need your help when I take over the world. I’m gonna need someone to give me back massages. Oh and lip massages. You have the world’s best kisses. I’ll make you the Secretary of Kisses. Just don’t go kissing everybody you crazy girl.

    The Social Butterfly (TJI)

    1. You’re awesome. I hate it when girls are all clingy. It’s like I talk to a girl, just being friendly, and boom she follows me around the rest of the night. I hate that Sh1t. I’m not trying to meet my girlfriend at a bar/party. I just want to have fun and talk to people.
    2. Damn – you’re a smarty pants. I almost wrote you off when I first saw you haha. I love intelligent girls so that’s awesome. I bet most people don’t even notice because you’re so cute. Most wouldn’t guess that a girlwith such a big smile would actually have something to say. I’m glad you’re someone I can actually talk to.
    3. You’re crazy. I need you on my squad. We’ll kick everyone’s ass. We’ll hand out beat downs to bartenders when they make weak ass drinks. I’ll be like “Yo Jen (or whatever her name is), how’s your drink?” If you give me the Killer look I’ll jump over the bar Bruce Lee style. Can you karate chop? Show me. Oooh you’re a killer.

    The Hopeful Romantic (NDI)

    1. I’m definitely open to meeting someone special, but they have to actually be special – y’know? I think people jump into things before they really know someone. For me, I have to really get to know a girl and feel like she cares about me before I have s3x with her. Because I feel like I’m just giving myself away otherwise.
    2. I can tell you are sensitive about it, but you have a really warm feminine energy. I love it. I feel turned on just being close to you. What I like the most is that you don’t try to flaunt it – it seems like you even try to hide it. But your energy – the way you move, laugh, wait for me to touch your back before you move – it’s just feminine and s3xy. Anyways, you were saying…
    3. You know, the other day, I was actually feeling kind of down when I called/texted you. But when you responded/answered, I heard/imagined your voice and felt pretty good. Prrretty good haha. You have that effect on me. I think if I ever need to be cheered up you’re my go-to girl. Deal?

    The Cinderella (NJI)

    1. Most people I meet are so shallow. They either want something from me, or they don’t even want to get to know me. It’s so hard to connect with people here (whatever city you live in). For me the most important thing when I meet girls is the same as with friends – I care about the people in my life and I expect the same in return…but people are strange…
    2. You are different than other girls because you are intelligent – it’s your mind that makes you interesting and s3xy, but I bet guys rarely notice that. You seem like the kind of girl with high aspirations. I can’t see you just coasting on your looks. You are too smart and motivated for that.
    3. I don’t care how mad you get at me because I’ll still come and save you and throw you over my shoulder and save you. You will be kicking and screaming but I won’t even care because you’re my little lady. In another life maybe I’d be your prince... And you’d be in my harem! Nah just kidding. OK no, you’d be in my harem, but then I’d see that you were above the other girls and I’d make you my princess.

    The Private Dancer (TDR)

    1. I’m not unfriendly, but most people aren’t worth my time. I believe in treating people with respect, but I’m not the kind of person who just trusts someone right off the bat. You have to earn that from me. That’s why I don’t get all serious with women like most guys do. You have to just see where things go – if the person is worth your time, then cool, but otherwise, you gotta keep it moving.
    2. You have so much to offer, but you keep yourself protected. I know why though. On the outside you seem unapproachable and intimidating. But that’s because you have so much to give. And you want to give yourself. That’s why it’s scary for you. So you need to protect yourself. I don’t ever want you to feel unprotected when you’re with me – because that’s more important than anything else – that you are safe when you’re with me.
    3. I want to taste your cooking. Most girls don’t know how to cook, which sucks for me because I’m always trying to get better at that. I think making new dishes is fun – even if you screw it up. I can see us making something realllllly good together.

    The Seductress (TJR)

    1. I hate how women get all serious on me all fast. I hope you’re not like that. I probably sound cocky and I’m definitely not – I’m sure you’ve had tons of guys better than me in bed. But it’s more of an emotional thing – like women think that just because I talk to them, I want to get involved with them. I’m single and that’s how it’s gonna stay for awhile. Sorry to let you down haha.
    2. You’re funny…I bet you get a lot of attention for your body. But that’s not even half the story is it? I bet you have some stories. You look like you’ve traveled, or have stories…you’re ALMOST intimidating…if you weren’t so interesting. I bet you eat men up and now you’re spoiled. I think it’s cute.
    3. So besides being talented in the ways of the Geisha…do you know your cardinal directions? That’d actually impress me. What I actually noticed about you first was the way you dress – you’re well put-together. Classy, but a little s3xy mixed in. You have a great sense of style. I gotta take you shopping. And don’t try to rape me in the dressing room.

    The Connoisseur (NDR)

    1. It’s hard for me to date because I end up not liking most people. I make friends pretty easy, but when it comes to getting physical, I’m kind of snooty. It’s funny because I’ve actually had people ask me if I’m a player and I’m like “No” and they’re like “Yyyea” but then I’m like, “ Um, seriously. I’m not. I wish I was.” It would be easier if I was just another dude who was happy with anything as long as it’s female.
    2. I think the first thing that attracted me to you was your appearance – not your body, but like…your image. You walk around like your above it all. But I have this feeling that once you let your guard down I’m gonna see your inner dork. You actually remind me of a good friend I have – how he was when I first met him. Only you’re a girl…and I’m glad haha.
    3. I can tell you’re not just a silly girl waiting to get swept away. I bet you have some area of expertise that no guy can even hang with. What is it? (whatever she says) – That’s so cool. I love it when a woman knows something. You’d be surprised the kind of lame ass Sh1t guys put up with. I know it goes both ways – that’s why I’m glad we are different.

    The Modern Woman (NJR)

    1. It’s tough for me seeing so many marriages fail. That’s why I only look for chemistry and it doesn’t matter who it is – I love women who are different, or similar in terms of interests or demographic or whatever – because none of htat matters – it’s all about: do I like this woman as a person and can I actually be friends with her regardless of what happens physically?
    2. It’s so rare to meet a girl who is actually smart on your level. I love it. Wehave to be careful not to get into any political religious debates though. Let’s agree to disagree pre-emptively. I’m kidding, we can talk about whatever – I’m glad I met you. You think…and that’s so s3xy in a woman.
    3. I can’t believe I found a woman that actually knows how to do things like cook and find her way around town and ____(a skill she’s told you about ). I’m definitely digging that about you. Most women coast on their looks but there’s a lot of cute girls, just like guys I’m sure. That’s why I like you – you are different and I can actually talk to you and do fun stuff with you.

    Well thanks for reading my novel..lol... but i hope this helps everyone on this forum.

    Here is the video explaining it all: Pandoras Box

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    oh and the types go by tester= T investor = N justifier=J denier=D realist=R idealist=I.

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    So I read this and a chick messaged me on plentyoffish and I went over her profile and realized I was able to see traces of all 3 of the areas in her profile. So far I am liking the cold reading concept.

    I believe she is

    Investor
    Justifier
    Idealist

    I talked about not cheating for the investor aspect

    I tried to build a little sexual Tension to feel the justifier aspect of her out, she took the bait

    I asked her about her family to get an idea of and open up to more talks that would relate to her idealist side

    Heres the message I sent her back and heres what she replied with. What do you guys think?

    (she had told me what she looks for in a guy and asked me what I look for in a girl)

    Original Message YOU sent on 4/14/2010 2:17:55 AM

    So a guys got to be cute, is that the only reason you messaged me? Do you think I'm just a piece of meat to be eaten or licked? Ok maybe your right. ha.

    So im cute, and obviously hilarious ha, handle the truth? well if the worst your gonna throw at me is that im cute, I guess I can handle that ha. honesty is huge to me, and loyalty too. If your in a relationship why cheat? If you don't want to be with the person your with just be honest with them and go do your thing, ya dig?

    Lol what do I look for in a girl besides whats in my profile? Can you come up with a better question than that hah, or at least one I didn't already answer in my profile. Hmm I love girls who go with the flow, I like girls who are positive and always fun. It's awesome when you have someone whos so positive that it doesn't matter if your at a party or if your sitting at home watching a movie in your underwear together ha, either way you know your gonna have fun together.

    Whats your best family memory?

    -Roc

    She says:

    hahaha!
    ok. one - you're crazy. and I like crazy people
    conversative (not a word btw)!! haha! ok makes sense. when I read conservative... I was like why is he talking about being conservative.. anyway! lol
    No i don't think you're a piece of meat to be licked or anything.. don't worry
    and trust me.. the worst I'll throw at you definitely isn't that you're cute.. that's not even in the "worst" category.

    I agree about the cheating part.. I think it's lame and something I will never be able to understand. why not just tell the other person that you're interested anymore.. well but I've noticed that in California it's waaaay too common to cheat..
    weird! maybe I'm generalizing.. but who knows?

    haha watch a movie in your underwear together.. That's not really watching a movie. or at least it won't be. haha

    Best family memory.. too many!
    Maybe every family vacation back in India or somewhere else..
    I have a crazy, huge family. The best, most recent one would be my cousins wedding a couple years back.. when everyone got together and we all stayed up nights talking/eating/gossiping!
    what fun

    tell me yours.
    Last edited by Roc9899; 04-14-2010 at 04:59 AM.

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    She is totally feeling you. Keep up the funny but as far as type of women justifier and idealist is completely correct. She had no problem joking about sex and not being able to control herself. But the tester investor isnt found by girls who cheat or not. Its about how many guys they date and if they try to find potential in a guy for a relationship. you could maybe make a joke about seeing so many girls and how your a pimp and try to get her to talk for herself about that aspect. Oh you can maybe say something like you always seem to be looking for potential in a girl for a relatipnship. stuff like that but good job. she responded to you very well

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    If you guys read this and find out what type of girl you have i can put up the types of women and how to attract them to the very core of the person they are...or if u have been trying to talk/approach a girl i can put the entire post up to tell you how to do it.

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    Hey crob,

    I read through your post, thanks for it. Really helpful!

    I have a few concerns as I have been remember some of the characters of the girls I've gone out with in the past.

    My ex, who I believe is a NDR namely the connoisseur...but the issue is she has had more than 10 boyfriends before me. The reason being when she was younger she used to move A LOT and her parents (that's what she told me) encouraged her to date but discouraged her from sex.

    She is v. aggressive when it comes to getting guys, could be due to the fact that her parents pushed her to get guys so that they could protect her in school (protective parents...)...so it seemed that she would be a seductress, but I was surprised she is a connoisseur...

    She also seemed to dislike going on dates with me on rainy days...she said that that rainy days made her not wanting to talk to people...perhaps some childhood trauma?? I suspect, that this is the most plausible reason...she never told me about this though...that might explain why she wouldn't go out with me on rainy days...opinions??

    The second thing is that there is this HB9, that went out with me on dates..and she seemed to be a NDI or a hopeful romantic...but the problem is that she is VERY VERY flirty....and since you've mentioned that a Tester dates multiple guys and at times they don't know about each other this means she is either an NDI or a TDI...which could make matters complicated if I used the wrong strategy...she gets hit on A LOT but she has only had 1 boyfriend and always dreams about marriage and a happy life with a lover...

    Could you see if I analyzed their types correctly?

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    ok you did well but a younger girl usually isnt a realist because they havent been put through the hard times of supporting themselves and others. So i usually assume idealist for women that still depend on their parents of even get help from there parents. But the thing about your second analysis is that testers always try to seem like investors. cause they dont want to be judged as a slut. So what you first have to find out is if she is dating multiple guys because she finds different things in each guy. or if she is dating to find the potential boyfriend. But as a pick up artist we know girls are always talking to other guys so you have to mix your pua stuff with this. So you can be different and know exactly what she is looking for. I wont lie this stuff is amazing and you should buy it but i cancelled mine cause this came naturally to me and then after analyzing i can naturally come up with the strategies to attract them.
    Being flirty isnt wrong, that shows interest, investors are very flirty as well. Try to analyze a little more and then post again. find out if she is dating lots of guys or if she is looking for potential. then find out if she finds sex can be casual and romantic or if she can only have sex with a guy when there are lots of feelings. then i assume idealist unless otherwise noted. good tries though...def. very close

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    Thanks for the prompt reply!

    For the second girl,

    Actually she is looking for a potential suitor. She is looking for a potential husband, even though she is quite young 22 she wants to look for someone who can be a suitable husband. She also won't have sex until after marriage. And she seems to be an idealist.

    So, how would you go about getting her?

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    well easy...be the guy she wants...she is looking for a suitable husband...so for so good cause she is still talking to you and it seems like she is still attracted to you

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    HB10... but very tricky.
    In my opinion she dates alot of ppl because she showed me what she calls me in her phone ... It says my first name, then the name of the bar...Also, i decided to invent a story about my friend whos been with a girl for 5 years, she actually said thats sad, bc they have settled (pretty big indicator).

    -she has a tight knit fam, daddies girl from what i can tell.
    -We've been on four dates, touching seems to be at a minimal, as well as conversations about sex.
    -She has big dreams, but i feel that her parents give her alot.
    -shes only had one boyfriend.
    -she constantly hasto be occupied.

    ...I feel like the whole image she portrays to me is bullshit, like she is trying to seem tougher than she actually is.

    Any helpful tips on how to escalate the dating part to become more physical?
    Or to get her to pay me more attention than the other men she is dating ( I believe she is, but i could be wrong)
    I need some expert help, hopefully what i've written will help me get a good insight on her.

    Thanks guys.


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