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Thread: Transitioning out of opener

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    Default Transitioning out of opener

    This is where I really struggle as I've been getting back into this. I'm good if it hook, and I can build momentum into a conversation. Let's suppose the opener doesn't hook, how do you keep the set engaged?

    Also (and keep in mind I'm newer), I notice a lot of direct openers usually roll over to a cold reading to keep the convo going

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    Default Re: Transitioning out of opener

    Quote Originally Posted by Cgullz View Post
    This is where I really struggle as I've been getting back into this. I'm good if it hook, and I can build momentum into a conversation. Let's suppose the opener doesn't hook, how do you keep the set engaged?

    Also (and keep in mind I'm newer), I notice a lot of direct openers usually roll over to a cold reading to keep the convo going
    Tease then try another opener. Do this 3 times then, if it's in a night game venue drop it there are a lot of other women in the place.

    It's good you noticed that it's what normally happens yes. Especially in daygame.
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    Default Re: Transitioning out of opener

    Use the phrase, "You look like...."
    And then say something.

    "You look like... a graphic designer..."
    "You look like... you've just got off work."
    "You look like... Miley Cyrus."
    "You look like... a flamingo... because you've got long legs..."

    Anything!
    Wait for her to laugh or look intrigued - and then expand on your comment:

    "You look like a rebel biker..."
    "Because..... you are wearing a black jacket..."
    "And you have this diamond studded bag...."

    Top it off with a question.
    "Do you own a bike?"
    And a *Big cheesy smile*

    You have now transitioned

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    Default Re: Transitioning out of opener

    New to the site here.

    Calum Tingham after the "big smile" then transition. Do you mean you can bring the conversation anywhere?

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    Default Re: Transitioning out of opener

    I think the "you look like" opener would work in both day and night time environments but is probably a little better for day game. Why? Because in clubs you typically want to be a little edgier. If you do use it in the night remember to follow with some cocky funny stuff or some kind of mild disqualifier(ie you look like a lion tamer but it's too bad because I'm allergic to cats).

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    Default Re: Transitioning out of opener

    Honestly, form your opener into something that is genuine and has social value. But in the same regard it should be something you've concocted before hand that leads into your transition. The trick is that women love to talk, you just have to find something they like to talk about...

    Example Opener: "Hey! I was with my friends over there and I have to get back to them but I just wanted to say that I liked your hair, you must be a hair stylist?"

    Breakdown: The opener goes back to the guidelines from the Style and Mystery by starting out with something that says I cant stay long. This shows her a few things; you're independent, your socially accepted, and most importantly you're not going to hang around forever!

    For the middle part I like to use a compliment to Disarm her, and then follow it up with a qualification.
    Women spend so much time on there appearance and trying to look attractive, its something they want to be noticed. If you form a conversation starter about it she will talk away.

    She can really only go one of three ways from here..

    Option One:
    "Thank you, but no I'm not" to which you can answer "Could have fooled me, what do you do?" Now you've got her talking about herself, and you can simply lead the conversation which ever way you want based on your questions, all the while using your knowledge of kino, ioi's, etc.

    Option Two:
    "Thank you, yes i am" to which you can answer something like "Damn girl! you've got talent! I'm sure you own your own salon." again yes or no blah blah blah, now you transition to goals, from goals in life you can transition to relationships, relationships to qualities, qualities to sex, and BANG! see how that works. SIT DOWN, GRAB SOME CRAYONS AND MAP IT OUT IF YOU HAVE TO BEFORE HAND!

    Option Three:
    She one word answers you "Nope" shit where do you go from there... simple you either don't and give her a look of improvement and walk away. Unlikely, but it has happened before. Trust me she isn't going to be like "HA! You just gave me a compliment! Dumbass!"

    If she wants to be boring and gives a one word answers try and neg her especially in front of her friends! In a tone like you're talking to your little sister say "You are not hot enough to be this boring" and before she has a chance to react turn to the nearest friend and say "is she always this boring?" or "is she always like this?" Gain favor with her friends as you all join in the fun and neg her together. Remember to hold your frame, its easy to get carried away and bring her to tears.. Nothing will make her qualify herself faster though.. Continue to poke her and start gaming her friends, and remember to TRANSITION them, while you then continue to ignore your original target.

    This is where we start heading deeper into the rabbit hole, and it gets pretty dark down here...
    Transitioning her friends is as simple as turning to one of them and saying (Fun happy voice, smiling your ass off) "You know what! I'll bet you're spontaneous, fun, and adventurous!" (oops see what i did there...I qualified the second one) Subconsciously she knows she cant be boring! Why? Because see just watched her friend get torn to shreds for being boring....

    This works really well on 3 set or more of HB7-10's and I've found the success level will even double if she's is the hottest in the group. After that you're in, take your pick of the litter, isolate and close. Just be careful with this kinda stuff, its great for game, but that's not the only social situation it works on... This can and has been used to help people rise to power like Hitler and the third Reich to even convincing others to murder people. Again just be morally careful.

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    Default Re: Transitioning out of opener

    Sear,

    While you have pretty solid advice, I believe you're giving her too much credit in your "Option Two" statement. While I doubt you'd actually do that in the field, I think teasing her would be much more effective. Saying she's not bad at it but implying she could use some practice.

    Besides that, your reply is pretty solid and I like the Mystery+Style approach you used for this example.

    It is also important to note that: transitioning is one of the hardest part for beginners. But there's solid advice here. The best way to master this is to go out and experience it yourself. I encourage all readers to do so when given the chance.

    PD: I believe penultimate sentence is a bit too extreme. But I agree completely on the morality of the matter.

    - Mint


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