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    Default Hard Nut to Crack

    Good evening fellow PUA,

    Before me stands a huge rock and I require aid to move it. So basically there is this girl I like, and she would of been mine, but there is one problem, yea she has boyfriend. Please don't get me started on m0rality and ethics, if she's not marrying the guy, she's game. The better man comes out victorious.

    A little backstory: I have no trouble at all picking up girls, even those that have boyfriends. Girls come and go. However at this tender age of 22, I'm getting tired of this same PUA routine. I feel empty inside, I need love - I need a girlfriend.

    I met this girl in college, and I'm sure you've heard this before, but yes she is what I describe as my ideal girl. At first I did not notice her, but after some time of flirtatious eye contact, she had my attention. I went up to her and did the usual routine. Eventually I found out that she has a boyfriend and I don't know why but I felt really upset about it.

    I set up a private channel of communication with her (MSN) and got to know her better, so much so that today we're pretty good friends today. Whatever I tried looked like it didn't have any effect whatsoever. At first she avoided mentioning her boyfriend in front of me but now, because of other students that hang out with us, he's a common conversation subject, which I ignore.

    I decided to go with the good ol' hard-to-get-routine, it worked at first; she felt my absence, but now it takes a miracle for her to come talk to me on Messenger, and if she does, she doesn't respond immediately. We have shared a number of romantic moments and we each gave the other pet names.

    Her boyfriend of about three years is basically an alpha male who literally looks like the troll face meme, he's flippin rich and goes over to her house almost all the time. Sometimes she turns down my flirts online and I always assumed that her boyfriend was next to her. On other occasions she's flirtatious and different, so I guess she was alone.

    There are other losers running around her feet waiting for that moment that she's single again but they aren't really a problem. One of them was stupid enough to get himself stuck in the dreaded friend zone, even though she spends a lot of time with him.

    I can't break this nut open. She complains that she misses him, I have made sure that there is this element of lust between us thus keeping myself well away from the friend zone....bah!

    Please do advice. If anyone could provide me with a solid-proof plan that would be amazing. People complaining that this is wrong kindly leave this thread. I'll add more details when I remember them, I'm too tired to think.

    Thanks.

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    dude this is the most interesting situation i have seen for a while. i like it. i do indeed like it.

    interesting posting dude. it has me thinking about my game from a few different angles and the head space i have recently moved through. i felt i was failing and should settle into a stable condition of one-itus as i was at an end and wanted out.

    as it turns out the chick i have picked up wants an open relationship so whether she really means it or not i am back in business

    your story has your own signature on it though dude. good personal touch. i don't have much observation for the moment and advice is not mine to give ho humm.... you got a lot of good gaming ahead of you mate at 22

    good luck. if i do come up with anything useful i will let you know. just know that there must be many of us rooting for you

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    True true, but seeing your best friends in a loving relationship makes you reflect a bit about your current life. I really want to be in a relationship right now, I'm kinda fixed on that idea. Unfortunately I'm very picky when it comes to girls.

    Today I actually got a little mad because she ignored me completely. I hope this doesn't mean that I'm becoming needy and dependent on her, and I certainly have no intention of being the one that always starts a conversation.

    Thanks for the support.

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    Hey dude, interesting story as said, have you tried any boyfriend "destroyers"?, that's what you would need to use in this case. She has a boyfriend and everything that keeps yous from being together is her boyfriend, so what you have to do is "destroy" him; if you really believe that she has to be with you, go for it; in love an war everything's possible right? or at least that's what it's said. Now, you have an advantage, you do know how her boyfriend behaves, or kind off, right?, so what you can try is to, list all the things that a Perfect boyfriend would do, and spot the elements on the list that her boyfriend doesn't have, then when you get to talk to her, you take out this elements in a very subtle way and "attack" him. For example, you notice that he's not "that sweet", and the prefect boyfriend should be sweet right?, so what you say to her in any topic related to sweetnes, you know, lead the coversation to it, or make up a clever sentence, but include something like: I guess your boyfriend always does....(something sweet)....., that's a nice thing! something like that....see my point? what you want to do is to take him off, from the good boyfriend zone, so that she starts to think wether or not she should leave him for something better (YOU)...
    I've "destroyed" some boyfriends (when i know i really really want to be with that girl, sometimes it's not worth the effort and it's better to leave them alone), and this is a good way to get it done, then remember always to keep the sexual part burning, otherwise she'll see you as another friend, and also, don't focus on her, that's the worst thing you could do...cause you start to look needy... look for other girls attention and she'll probably will be more interested if she sees those interactions...
    Hope it helps dude
    Good luck, let me know how it goes..

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    Default Re: Hard Nut to Crack

    That's actually a pretty good idea. In this case I avoided any boyfriend "destroying" since this isn't one of those usual scenarios I'm used to. Yes I know her boyfriend, he usually hangs out with us....that monkey.

    I will certainly give your plan a shot, hopefully I will see some results, thanks.
    If theres anyone else with more plans please do let me know, the more help I can get the better.

    Cheers.
    Last edited by Fiddler; 06-18-2010 at 10:41 AM.

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    you are already setting yourself as the loser here. dont let the Bf become the alpha whenever you guys are together all 3 of you. Dont use the "hes rich" excuse for them being together. If shes not a greedy bitch theres no reason to believe they are together because they actually like each other. Boyfriend destroyers..... meh be careful, women are very perceptive and she would know if you are running anything to lower her bf value. work on raising yours.

    In my case i would try to Isolate, maybe with her being a little farther away from you means that she saw something coming, either way, i would isolate and go for the kiss when i find it appropriate. I'm very confident in my kissing, if i kiss i fuck.

    I had a similar experience. I met a very hot 10 and i went all over her. i wanted her for the eternity that nice round ass...... fuck im drifting away... ok so i wanted her, i well all the way before i got into destroyers. i had a very tiny little window to go for the kiss and i blew it. that happens, we fail, we learn, we try, we learn, if you are stuck in the AFC stage and dont try, you learn.... how to be a loser. So go ahead and try whatever you decide is your plan. i gave you some all around guideline and if we get to specifics i may be able to help you more.

    uhhh dont be needy, if she is not approaching talk to other girls and meet new girls everyday if you can. dont get stuck on this one. VERY important dont get Oneitis on this one and look for new girls. Once you get married the pickyness goes off the window, if you get fuckable girls DO... FUCK...THEM

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    You know I think thats the problem, I think that she's aware of what I'm doing, hence the distancing away. If thats the case I'm guessing that boyfriend destroyers are risky.

    Haha yea I also believe that a simple kiss can bring a girl to her knees; this "kiss" technique has worked for me since my early years, and nobody believes me.

    I had actually planned a few scenarios for an opportunity to kiss this girl, but something always went wrong. Either we weren't alone, her boyfriend was there, that friend-zone guy was licking her ass, the list goes on... Dammit I'm losing my touch. No worries about the needy business though, I got that covered.

    Hell, I'm gonna blurt it out: whats the best way to Isolate her and get that small window of opportunity to kiss her? For this scenario of course.
    Last edited by Fiddler; 06-19-2010 at 04:42 AM.

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    Yes, boyfriend "destroyers" are risky if you don't use them in the correct way and at the right time, if you don't have any practice with it, better not to try it with your "right girl" right! On the other hand, if you find it difficult to Isolate her, cause there's always a moron arround and something always goes wrong... try the "favor date". Think of something she's good at, and then invite her to "HELP" you with that sort of thing, ex: she has style, so she can help you buy something for a girl of course (the girl can be you mother hahaha). Something like that, you're taking her on a date and you can plan things for it, the place, a coffee stop, an Isolation place to kiss her, you know...all the stuff. The thing here is that she will have to go alone cause it's about you, not about her...

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    Haha believe it or not I've never been on a "favor date" with a taken girl before, this should be fun.

    What about the actual kissing moment? I say something pre-planned and fancy, and go in for the kill?

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    Well, you'll need somehow to escalate her...so the best choice for the "favor date" would be definitely something where you could somehow touch her more than usual... like choosing a simple t-shirt, making she try it for you (cause she's almost the same size as the person you're buying it for, ) and you can touch her, while she tries stuff on, making her turn touching her hands and back, touching her neck while you check whatever, the stomach while you check the material, there's lots of touching you could do there...you know... and say good stuff too, keeping it sexual...and see how she reacts...look if she follows and touches you...and keep moving...if you sense that she's thinking about it...then go for it...
    ps: about the kissing line, if you want to make it an interesting, different one, you can say something like: hey you made me remember of something, have you heard about the purple kiss? (she's trying or wearing a purple dress or t-shirt), she'll say NO, then you kiss her (it has to bee good of course, and make sure you finish it first), and then say, it's when you kiss the girl wearing the purple t-shirt, something i used to play when i was in kinder... and continue behaving normally... you can do it with icecream, juice or soda flavors... there's many variations...she'll remember it! believe me!


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