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    Default Ok cocky and funny just doesn't work, have to try something new

    Ok, David Deangelo's ebook was one of the first products I tried and I have read all of his emails. My first attempt at breaking down my pitiful AFC behavior. I wanted to make it work but so far nothing but failure. I said some cocky/funny lines to women and they just give me a dirty or blank look and walk away. Some classic examples...

    a) (a woman was having trouble finding money and looking frustrated/nervous) - "If you're pretending to be a big spender just to impress me it's not going to work"

    b) or a woman bumps in to me. "Hey no groping, hands off the merchandise"

    A few other examples, where it hasn't been working. I'm trying to pinpoint exactly why and here's what I have come up with.

    Problem 1: I am just too clean cut and nice guy looking. Women just can't believe I'm being a little cocky. They look at me and think nice guy. They expect me to say something nice. There's no congruency.

    Problem 2: I have a feeling women have heard most of those cocky/funny lines before, "buy me a drink and I'll dance with you" etc.

    I decided to change my strategy. Cocky/Funny and negging have bombed miserably for me so far. My new approach will be to just be kind of "life of the party".

    I have learned a few magic tricks. Nothing really super but some fun stuff. I usually stand across from my wingman and perform them, trying to keep the corner of my eye on any women that are taking notice. If I catch someone staring or laughing (i mix in some comedy to the magic, where applicable), then I approach that woman with a simple "Hi I just wanted to meet you" opener. No more cocky/funny lines. I they ask me where I learned magic I'd say "Hogwarts" or something like that. I then ask what would be their favorite super power as mentioned in "The Vibe". That's my favorite off beat question. Hopefully by now they are laughing and it's phone number time.

    Maybe I should go back to c and F ?

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    Default Re: Ok cocky and funny just doesn't work, have to try something new

    Quote Originally Posted by Pokerbaby View Post
    Ok, David Deangelo's ebook was one of the first products I tried and I have read all of his emails. My first attempt at breaking down my pitiful AFC behavior. I wanted to make it work but so far nothing but failure. I said some cocky/funny lines to women and they just give me a dirty or blank look and walk away. Some classic examples...

    a) (a woman was having trouble finding money and looking frustrated/nervous) - "If you're pretending to be a big spender just to impress me it's not going to work"

    b) or a woman bumps in to me. "Hey no groping, hands off the merchandise"

    A few other examples, where it hasn't been working. I'm trying to pinpoint exactly why and here's what I have come up with.

    Problem 1: I am just too clean cut and nice guy looking. Women just can't believe I'm being a little cocky. They look at me and think nice guy. They expect me to say something nice. There's no congruency.

    Problem 2: I have a feeling women have heard most of those cocky/funny lines before, "buy me a drink and I'll dance with you" etc.

    I decided to change my strategy. Cocky/Funny and negging have bombed miserably for me so far. My new approach will be to just be kind of "life of the party".

    I have learned a few magic tricks. Nothing really super but some fun stuff. I usually stand across from my wingman and perform them, trying to keep the corner of my eye on any women that are taking notice. If I catch someone staring or laughing (i mix in some comedy to the magic, where applicable), then I approach that woman with a simple "Hi I just wanted to meet you" opener. No more cocky/funny lines. I they ask me where I learned magic I'd say "Hogwarts" or something like that. I then ask what would be their favorite super power as mentioned in "The Vibe". That's my favorite off beat question. Hopefully by now they are laughing and it's phone number time.

    Maybe I should go back to c and F ?
    That happened with me - almost exactly. If you are an above average looking guy or a guy with some real innate personality and intelligence (which you seem to have) , it can actually hurt you - I dont know why but it does (at least with me). I think you are on the right track with your new thing. Good luck to you my friend!

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    Default Re: Ok cocky and funny just doesn't work, have to try something new

    With the guys I have worked with in the past who do cf and have trouble with it they normally have a problem with the presentation. If you want to try to fix it I would go back and look at your verbals and how you say it as well as your nonverbals ie body language. If you throw a cf line like the hands off line make aure you say it with a smile on your face and with a fun tone in your voice. It's not ment to push her off but to bust her balls a bit and make you look different. Most guys go to fat with it and just come across as a jerk. Think back and see if that's what you did.

    As far as your new approach. Go for it. If you want to do the magic thing I suggest you check out brad jacksons puma mastery skills. Great program that will help you calibrate it to pick up.

    Hope this helps!
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    Default Re: Ok cocky and funny just doesn't work, have to try something new

    Quote Originally Posted by Pokerbaby View Post
    I have learned a few magic tricks. Nothing really super but some fun stuff. I usually stand across from my wingman and perform them, trying to keep the corner of my eye on any women that are taking notice. If I catch someone staring or laughing (i mix in some comedy to the magic, where applicable), then I approach that woman with a simple "Hi I just wanted to meet you" opener. No more cocky/funny lines. I they ask me where I learned magic I'd say "Hogwarts" or something like that. I then ask what would be their favorite super power as mentioned in "The Vibe". That's my favorite off beat question. Hopefully by now they are laughing and it's phone number time.

    Maybe I should go back to c and F ?
    So the stuff in the vibe is working (along with some other natural game) and you want to go back to what didn't work?!?!?!?!?

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    Default Re: Ok cocky and funny just doesn't work, have to try something new

    Quote Originally Posted by HighTower View Post
    So the stuff in the vibe is working (along with some other natural game) and you want to go back to what didn't work?!?!?!?!?
    Yeah, I know it sounds crazy, I guess I thought C and F would lead to ONS's with HB 7+ and the Vibe would lead more to getting phone numbers and setting myself up for the possibility of dropping the ball on the phone or on the date. (or getting into a LTR fast). My goal is to have like 6 one night stands or flings by next summer and then get a LTR with an HB8-10.

    I think I have tried to absorb too much too fast. I have read Christophe, DD, the game, the rules of the game and watched the vibe a few times all in the past 2 weeks. I'm getting confused. A lot of material actually contradicts.

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    Default Re: Ok cocky and funny just doesn't work, have to try something new

    Stop looking at programs and books and get in field. Programs are great and they help but sounds like your getting overload. Slow it down and try to put it into action. Then learn from your experiences as well as the programs. They are a tool, just one of many.

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    Default Re: Ok cocky and funny just doesn't work, have to try something new

    yea i gotta say i disagree with the fact that cf doesnt work, cuz i work that in every interaction i ever have. Im natuarlly cocky as hell, but ive learned how to be play full with it. and I would say that is what u need to learn a well. Just last night i did the merchandise line on a chick and it wokred great. her response was amazing, i loved it, after she realized i was messing with her she basically said well i moved myself and i touched her and now i must pay the touching fee hahaha i gave her mad props, although was not interested at all haha! Also go look at my post "Recent txt convos" if ur so inclined, I gave verbatum feedback from convos in which i displayed my cf behaviors.

    If something isnt workin its not that the theory is bad its that the technique is poor. Like i think tcomea said go back and evaluate what happened. Thats one reason y its suggested to stay sober when u go out!

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    Default Re: Ok cocky and funny just doesn't work, have to try something new

    You said it yourself man, you need to be congruent. If you want people to believe your cocky, you have to look the part. You need to b one of the best dressed people wherever you are and believe it. I just got back from vegas with 3 of my boys, and I was the only one to get tail. Why? Cuz i dressed like a million bucks wherever i went and believed it.
    If you have trouble getting yourself into the Mindset, find some clothes you really like, put em on, stare in a mirror and adore yourself. It sounds gay, but trust me it works, if you love the way you look in a night, then going out and finding girls will b a breeze because they can smell your confidence

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    Default Re: Ok cocky and funny just doesn't work, have to try something new

    Quote Originally Posted by Pokerbaby View Post

    a) (a woman was having trouble finding money and looking frustrated/nervous) - "If you're pretending to be a big spender just to impress me it's not going to work"

    b) or a woman bumps in to me. "Hey no groping, hands off the merchandise"
    The potential issue with scenario A is that the woman was perhaps not in the right state of mind to be receptive of the C&F method. You stated yourself that she looked frustrated or nervous so perhaps it was bad timing. I'm not sure if saying something like "I'm a sucker for a damsel in distress...are you alright?" would of elicited the desired response but it would've been more socially conscious.

    Same bad timing issue might of been present In Scenario B since the woman might have had something else on her mind and distracted, hence, why she bumbed into you.

    Maybe your delivery was perfect and might of been a case of bad timing or perhaps you need to work on your delivery.

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    Default Re: Ok cocky and funny just doesn't work, have to try something new

    Quote Originally Posted by Pokerbaby View Post

    a) (a woman was having trouble finding money and looking frustrated/nervous) - "If you're pretending to be a big spender just to impress me it's not going to work"

    b) or a woman bumps in to me. "Hey no groping, hands off the merchandise"
    The potential issue with scenario A is that the woman was perhaps not in the right state of mind to be receptive of the C&F method. You stated yourself that she looked frustrated or nervous so perhaps it was bad timing. I'm not sure if saying something like "I'm a sucker for a damsel in distress...are you alright?" would of elicited the desired response but it would've been more socially conscious.

    Same bad timing issue might of been present In Scenario B since the woman might have had something else on her mind and distracted, hence, why she bumbed into you.

    Maybe your delivery was perfect and might of been a case of bad timing or perhaps you need to work on your delivery.


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