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    Default Bitch shield vs Genuine disinterest

    Hi guys,

    How do you guys identify the difference between the Bitch Shield and genuine disinterest...?
    Cuz these two seems really similar and many don't know the difference between the two and when to "let go".....

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    Default Re: Bitch shield vs Genuine disinterest

    I always understood the point of the Bitch Shield theory to be that almost every girl is actually nice once you actually get to know them, but that through years of abuse and/or constantly being propositioned for sex by lesser guys that they have developed the bitch shield as a defense mechanism. Thus you should only "let go" when you come across a bitch shield you feel you are not yet equipped to get through or don't have the time or inclination to bother with.

    As for disinterest, if you've got the goods, *every* girl secretly wants you to get through her bitch shield. They want great sex. They want to feel like their guy is worth it, broke down all their defenses seemingly effortlessly. Thus none are truly disinterested (UNLESS they're *already* madly in love with someone else). It's all a show, it's all part of the game to keep out the riff raff and test the incoming guy and make sure their friends don't see them as a slut.

    There are a few exceptions. A girl may sometimes put up a bitch shield (or even Last Minute Resistance) if she's on her period, for example. I had a foreign girl once on the beach at night for an amazing BJ, but couldn't for the life of me get her to drop her pants ....until she finally gave in and admitted the ocean wasn't the only red tide that night! I was like "oh, that's understandable, why didn't you just say so!" Some chicks are just nervous about that sort of thing driving you off or that you'll make a scene. Hence some will just avoid the issue altogether and put up the bitch shield.

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    Default Re: Bitch shield vs Genuine disinterest

    Quote Originally Posted by Magnum View Post
    I always understood the point of the Bitch Shield theory to be that almost every girl is actually nice once you actually get to know them, but that through years of abuse and/or constantly being propositioned for sex by lesser guys that they have developed the bitch shield as a defense mechanism. Thus you should only "let go" when you come across a bitch shield you feel you are not yet equipped to get through or don't have the time or inclination to bother with.

    As for disinterest, if you've got the goods, *every* girl secretly wants you to get through her bitch shield. They want great sex. They want to feel like their guy is worth it, broke down all their defenses seemingly effortlessly. Thus none are truly disinterested (UNLESS they're *already* madly in love with someone else). It's all a show, it's all part of the game to keep out the riff raff and test the incoming guy and make sure their friends don't see them as a slut.

    There are a few exceptions. A girl may sometimes put up a bitch shield (or even Last Minute Resistance) if she's on her period, for example. I had a foreign girl once on the beach at night for an amazing BJ, but couldn't for the life of me get her to drop her pants ....until she finally gave in and admitted the ocean wasn't the only red tide that night! I was like "oh, that's understandable, why didn't you just say so!" Some chicks are just nervous about that sort of thing driving you off or that you'll make a scene. Hence some will just avoid the issue altogether and put up the bitch shield.

    agreed. to everything except the middle part. girls dont actually want or think about much of that. 99% when it comes to time spent thinking about guys girls are thinking about getting with the guy they like. or fantasizing about what they want to do with the guy they like.
    and so. to help out the asker. theres two ways of answering ur question. 1) directly but incorrect, because girls show disinterest different ways 2) to show u the makings of the 2 proper attitudes u need to have towards the bitch shield.
    fuck number 1 its incorrect. to further explain 2).both attitudes stem from this question. "does it matter if u know the difference between the two?" No. for two reasons.1) if shes worth really going after and u really like her. then you dont need to know. you simply try your best to get at her and if its disinterest. eventually. she will make it QUITE CLEAR. (100% of the time guaranteed) 2) if you dont like her that much and your just looking for play from any hot girl. any sign of disinterest should be a sign to flee because its just like the old saying says its easier to get with 10 girls that never show disinterest than 1 who shows enough disinterest for you to worry

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    Default Re: Bitch shield vs Genuine disinterest

    Quote Originally Posted by Whatup View Post
    agreed. to everything except the middle part. girls dont actually want or think about much of that. 99% when it comes to time spent thinking about guys girls are thinking about getting with the guy they like. or fantasizing about what they want to do with the guy they like.
    Girls don't think about what? Sex? Every issue of Cosmo and ever other modern girly magazine disagrees with you-- every farking issue is full of sex tips and sex gossip.

    Or did you mean girls don't think about the game? Yes and no. They don't think about it like we do, they're more emotional, intuitive, and rationalizing. But subconsciously? Subconsciously they are *constantly* processing the game. Much more so than we think about it. It's as Vin Dicarlo says, women have been practicing their whole life to be better at social interaction, to be better at their side of the game, bitch shields and all. When we were blowing up GI Joe with firecrackers as a kid, they were playing with their barbies, acting out all the drama and social fantasy over and over again.

    And yes, I've had more than a couple chicks brag in front of friends about how they 'never' go home with a guy on the first date, and then look at me starry-eyed as they explain 'but somehow with him it just felt right'. When you break through their defenses faster, better, and in a more fun way than other guys, the girl feels it, and it is powerful. The old cliche "every girl wants to be swept off her feet" is saying exactly the same thing. You stand out positively from every other guy she's been with, and furthermore it makes her more invested in you because she's labeled you as special , worthy of breaking her anti-slut rules for, and to go back on that would mean she did something very bad in her mind and in the minds of chicks who are judging her.

    As Style always said, girls WANT to be seduced. They may not admit it, or even know it consciously themselves, but they need it. When you talk about that one guy they're fantasizing about getting with, it's just the most recent guy that pushed all the rite buttons in their mind. The point is to BE that guy.

    Whatup does bring up a good point, though. No reason to push through a high Bitch Shield if you're in a room full of girls who have their shields a little (or a lot) lower. Like I said in my earlier post the only reason to give up is if you can't get through the shield, or dont WANT to (which would be the case when there are easier yet equally attractive targets available).
    Last edited by Magnum; 04-13-2011 at 11:56 PM.

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    Default Re: Bitch shield vs Genuine disinterest

    Xtremeillusia,

    I believe that the "Bitch Shield" is a sign of genuine dis-interest. They're one in the same. Regardless, why would any self respecting Man want to stick around and associate with a woman who's behaving that way? The only thing we need to identify is what sort of behavior and treatment we're willing accept from a stranger. If she isn't friendly and cool from the beginning, On to the next one Bro!

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    Cool Re: Bitch shield vs Genuine disinterest

    Quote Originally Posted by Kors View Post
    Xtremeillusia,

    I believe that the "Bitch Shield" is a sign of genuine dis-interest. They're one in the same. Regardless, why would any self respecting Man want to stick around and associate with a woman who's behaving that way? The only thing we need to identify is what sort of behavior and treatment we're willing accept from a stranger. If she isn't friendly and cool from the beginning, On to the next one Bro!
    I agree to an extent dude!! Seriously, WE are the prize and although we're gaming them, its actually a challenge we lay down, seeing if they can play along and if they do, then they get rewards So if they refuse to play or look to punk you out, then hit her with a zinger and walk away without looking back!! In that scenario I normally turn to her friends and say "Is she always like this? Our children would be way to high maintanance!! tell her to come find me when she can play nice" flash a smile at her, finish my drink and walk away!!! if she doesn't fall for that....her loss; if she does, she'll come find you later!!

    However, I think there is a genuine difference between the Bitch Shield and dis-interest.
    Genuine dis-interest, is always a polite if lightly withdrawn going through the motions response, where the PUA can easily see the girl isn't feeling it.....fair enough
    Bitch Shield, for me, reads as "try harder"...it'll be that moment where she plays along, but challenges you; this can be done by finding holes in your stories, demanding you explain your PUMA, or simply chipping at your game. I for one, love the Bitch Shield....it is the perfect thing to sharpen your game!! Plus, if you use all your wit and PUA skills to NEG her, then you'll also show dhv with her friends.....remember , no one likes a sore loser; if a girl throws up the Bitch Shield, its an invitation to harder....so in a twisted way, it's actually an ioi!!!

    Obviously, you need to be pretty confident, playful and have plenty of Game to take this risk, but it rarely fails!!

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    Default Re: Bitch shield vs Genuine disinterest

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePrep
    I think there is a genuine difference between the Bitch Shield and dis-interest.
    Genuine dis-interest, is always a polite if lightly withdrawn going through the motions response, where the PUA can easily see the girl isn't feeling it.....fair enough
    Bitch Shield, for me, reads as "try harder"...it'll be that moment where she plays along, but challenges you
    Good point. I assume that If a guy has difficulty instantly determining whether a woman is presenting a challenge or a rejection, he doesn't have the ability yet to smoothly overcome either. So I simply recommend my guys to just move on and not bother, until you the Force if strong within them. But yes a lot of Fiery woman definitely love to put on that "try harder" challenge.

    Just recently I met a girl like this in a Seattle bar who was pretend upset/bitchy toward me after I made a sarcastic comment. She acted like she was going to slap me and walk away so I dared her to actually do it ... Dared her to slap me for being an Jerk. Her girlfriend was trying to defuse the situation, not recognizing that the subtext of our apparently serious confrontation was actually a game. The chick absolutely slapped the sh1t out of me like a 1940's romance film. She instantly lit up with a huge smile and the look of gratification in her eyes was incredible. I immediately punished her: Grabbed a handful of her hair, yanked it back, slapped her ass and yelled "Damn I like You! UUGH! took a huge swig of her beer without asking permission and began bantering. Within 3 minutes after the initial approach we went from "bitch shield", to talking about how much she loves rough sex. The fact that I have balls, matched her challenge and made a scene out of it in front of everybody was an incredible sexual turn on for her.

    In general I stick to fun loving friendly woman with attitude because these are the types of woman that I want to associate with on a regular basis. Personally the "bitch-shield challenge" persona rings of insecurity and a challenge of this nature doesn't interest me. I like the "come find me when you can play nice" line though!
    Last edited by Kors; 05-27-2011 at 05:37 PM.

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    Wink Re: Bitch shield vs Genuine disinterest

    Quote Originally Posted by Kors View Post
    Good point. I assume that If a guy has difficulty instantly determining whether a woman is presenting a challenge or a rejection, he doesn't have the ability yet to smoothly overcome either. So I simply recommend my guys to just move on and not bother, until you the Force if strong within them. But yes a lot of Fiery woman definitely love to put on that "try harder" challenge.
    Well said dude!! I guess the key is the mentality of the PUA; being the Prize!! if she has the Bitch Shield, you have 2 options.....
    a) either see if she's worthy of the prize by winning her over or
    b) punish her for not playing by the rules and Take Away the prize, like Kors said...


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