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    abcone23 is offline PUA in Training
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    Default There's got to be a way!

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    Default Re: There's got to be a way!

    start working out and eating better would be the first step. it will help the zits too prolly. get a game plan for the zits too. work on your confidence and sense of humor. girls dont care about physical appearance if you have inner game.

    and dont focus on this girl, just be happy that u are friends and whatever happens happens. or use her as motivation to do everything u can in the next few months to improve yourself. when she comes back pretend like your not interested at all in her anymore except as friends. use negs on her. act confident and cocky around her. make her jealous etc.....

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    abcone23 is offline PUA in Training
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    Default Re: There's got to be a way!

    I never thought of actually using negs on her, cause I've been so freakin' attracted to her. but you are absolutely right, I'll def focus on doing those things. I still have a tiny ray of hope. Thanks yesman!

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    Default Re: There's got to be a way!

    no bro u can do this. but game plan. first off you need to become a new guy in her eyes. so start working out hardcore and eating better. try to go from being obese to maybe chubby or even fit in those few months. i would suggest lifting and doing cardio like freaking crazy bro. then i would suggest something to get rid of the zits u have. things like proactiv work wonders. i use it and my face is clear. of course u have those breakouts two or three times a year, but they arent even bad. haha ok then you want to practice ur game. read and practice a lot. next thing DONT PUT HER ON A PEDESTAL. i guarantee i could meet quite a few like her bro. she doesnt want to BE ur life, if u get her she just wants to be a part of it. next thing is u need to completely change ur frame. ill just assume since ur overweight and zits that u dont take too much care of ur body and are quite inactive. so i am guessing a gamer.
    u need to slow down on that and be more physically active. go out and start making some crazy stories and taking pictures. when u seem like ur view of life has changed she is going to see u as a different man. next thing, you need to SEXUALLY ESCALATE. after u have done all the rest of this u need to know how to turn her on and get attracted. one of the biggest things i have ever learned from AFC Adam is this....

    the three things all naturals have that make them good with women.
    1) confidence- thats obvious. duh
    2) abundance of women- u need women in your life as friends, acquantances and all that
    3) THE ABILITY TO SEXUALLY ESCALATE.- this one is probably the biggest. you can be confident and have lots of women in your life ur are the perfect guy for her but she cant bear losing such a good friend. without being able to sexually escalate u r just the friend. so you need to be able to do this.

    ok so after you come back a different man and u have a different outlook of life and all that. you can work ur game. u will work ur way out of the friend zone because ur a pretty much a different guy. and she cant have u in the friend zone again when ur compeltely different.

    so first make ur physical changes, work on ur inner game (tcomea has amazing advice on inner game and so does the program unbreakable), change ur frame( start going and umping off cliffs into water, go to crazy house parties, try many different things and be spontaneous. start saying yes to things you would usually say no to. after u have become a new man u can work ur way out of the friend zone.

    good luck bud. and if u need workout advice, almost every single person on this site workouts. so u can get great workouts. but a basic idea is build some muscle and cut tons of fat. that means lift and cardio all the freaking time. try to do cardio like 4-5 times a week starting out then try almost everyday. and u dont have to just run, u can swim or play bball or anything. just make sure ur heartrate is up.

    good luck bro i know u can do it
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    Default Re: There's got to be a way!

    Good news and bad.

    Bad first: You need a total change.
    Good: You have the time and means to fix the issues and create an over haul.

    To repeat what's been said start working out, and change your diet. Cut out the fast food and cokes. Get some good face was and moisturizer and get the sits cleared up. Get a new hair cut and some cloths that fit well.

    2 months is alot of time but you are going to have to be wiling to make changes. You are going to have be different when she returns. Let's get to the root of this beta issue. I'm very glad you see it, now we can fix it. We have to get you to understand that your confidence is going to make or break you. Start to do the small things to build that confidence or social momentum. Start talking to people, I mean everyone. Make eye contact. Make sure you stand up straight and check your internal volume level and make sure you can be heard.

    Besides your physical appearance whata causing you to be beta? Have you had relationships I the past? What kind of experiences do you have?

    Look here is the deal: I want to help you cause I know how you feel. So ask questions. Let's not worry about openers or attraction right now, let's work on you.
    Biggest thing: learn to believe in yourself, if you can't why not that's the issue.

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    Default Re: There's got to be a way!

    wow you guys are awesome! I never expected to get so much help and in depth analysis!

    honestly, when I met her (2 yrs ago), I didn't know anything about game; I was a total AFC, however, I've gotten some confidence recently, but not too much. I've read all the books (Game, Rules to the Game, Magic Bullets, David D, watched pick up artist, keys to the vip, and a lot of other infield footage). I have a lot of knowledge about this, I can easily tell by interactions between guys and girls and determine what went wrong and what went right, but I can't really apply it for myself in real life. I guess it's more about developing my inner self.

    @ crobinson1 - thanks so much for the in depth analysis. yes I'll work on the three things you mentioned. I'm starting martial arts classes next week, and also joined the gym! when you mention the ability to sexually escalate, that means to just keep on doing Kino, using sexual innuendos etc right?

    @ tcomea2 - thanks so much for your help, and thanks for believing that I can do this. like I told crobinson1, I know how game works in the theoretical sense, but I'm unable to really apply it. I'm not sure why I'm so beta, I try to be more alpha, but really haven't been able to do so. Even when I'm with friends, I'm usually the quiet one, giving my comments here and there, but never really able to dominate the conversation even if I try. And I'm 22 and have never been in a relationship; every time that I've liked a girl, I've fallen into the friend category I've made out with a girl once, because we were both drunk, and of course she flaked on me when I called her, since we didn't build any comfort.

    @ anybody who wants to answer. I do have her contact info, however I don't want to contact her until she comes back, and I'm almost sure that she won't call or text me either. Is that the right way to go, since I don't want her to see me or hear from me at all until I have completely changed.
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    Default Re: There's got to be a way!

    yea its better that you dont stay in contact with her. keep thinking to yourself that you are going to wow her when she comes back with how much you have changed. if she can see it happening it wont pack as much punch. in general, if you fail with a girl, you have to hang back and give it some time so you can gather up speed to hit again. staying around isn't really going to get you anywhere

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    Default Re: There's got to be a way!

    Fastest way to lose weight....Keto - Bodybuilding.com Forums

    Read all about the diet first.

    Good luck.

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    Default Re: There's got to be a way!

    maybe start a thread in here or another forum listing your weight and give updates as you lose weight, getting support from others can be very helpful

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    Default Re: There's got to be a way!

    yesman. that is actually a good idea. but i think they have one. the fitness section. basically when can give updates and all that and our workout routine. and then people can kind of change it a little to start helping out.

    ok so as you see from three experienced PUA's is that the first thing you need to do is change yourself. we can give you the best openeres, change ur inner game, text game and show you how to truly build attraction but if she sees u as the same guy your going to stay in the friend zone more than likely.

    ok so as before we will lay out the game plan. first workout and fix the zits. the next thing as you said it is working on your inner game. ok so to just give you experience about noticing stuff like this. i go to a school that is somewhat prestigous for engineering and all the guys here are pretty much AFC. i see guys walking around staring at the ground. guys who dont walk "proud" in a way cause they have horrible body language. and i have actually taken my time to observe sometimes when i see a guy hitting on a girl. i mean its just not that good at all. so one thing you want to do is work on your inner game. by this knowing who you are, that u calm, cool collected and confident. and then being able to walk around like you own the place. a good start to jumping into this is walking around like an alpha. you want to walk at a natural pace. not anything too fast and you want to be looking up, broad shoulders and basically acknowledgeing anybody who see's you. this helps you to recognize whats going on around you. the best program to learn inner game from is unbreakable. check it out. its amazing.

    so after working on your body and then ur inner game. u need to learn to be alpha among your group. whenever you hang out its kind of like you need to be known and be there. lets do an example. what would you think of a guy who comes in with his friends but is in the back of the group with his hands in his pockets looking at the floor. then sits down and talks a little but stays pretty much to the goal of feeding themselves and not conversing too much. you would for sure label that guy unconfident and def, not alpha. on the other hand lets take another guy for example. the guy in the front of the group leading them in, he is talking conversing and is def. there. walks in and makes a decision for the group that he thinks would be good. like sitting at the bar to make a better time and have higher energy and take some shots. that guy walks tall and proud. that what you need so from now on try changing to be an alpha. start leading the interaction when your with your friends, but dont be a jerk about it either. lets say your friend suggests going to a bar and you suggest something different cause you think it would be better. just say "hey how about we go to ___. they have better drink special, the music is better and they bartenders hook it up". you stay alpha but are making a suggestion for the sake of the group to have more fun. then try being there, take up more room than you usually do. when you sit down just sit, kind of spread out and get comfortable like you would at your place. never cross your arms in front of you cause you seem unapproachable and not very friendly try to have a smile and have some fun. i mean there is a huge thing on body language here on the forum. take a look its amazing.

    now after inner game and alpha male status you need to be able to apply what you know about the game. this part comes with practice. start talking to everybody and then try approaching girls but without any goal. dont even try for the number on the first 5-10. all you want to do with them is converse and have fun doing it. so try going up to women, use an opener and then transition and just talk. get them to laugh and have fun. you never know maybe if you do good enough they will ask for your number. and also dont worry about trying to talk to HB10 or the way i say it HB 5's. you just need to learn how to approach and talk to women.

    next thing, start making some friends who are girls. and if you have some, start making friends with there girlfriends. you need to have women in your life and all that. the way i like to think about having women im not trying to hit on is this. "there so much fun to hang out with and when i throw a party i need girls there. cause a party without girls just isnt much of a party at all". so i like to do what AFC adam does. when i have guys come learn with me, ill try to get women there but they need to bring women too. im not just going to let them come out and hang out and hit on my women. how about they bring some and we will trade. best thing ever.

    now lets look back. 1)body 2) inner game 3) alpha male 4) body language 5) women in your life. with all this things you start to learn to be naturally confident and learn to just have fun with everybody. so the last thing is the ability to sexually escalate. yes keno is BIG. i mean she needs to be comfortable with you and your touch. so if u do get her attracted and you go for that first kiss, then you will be able to give her a kiss and she wont feel uncomfortable. so keno is a very big thing. but to sexually turn her on is being able to not just keep her in a comfortable sexual kind of vibe and all that but being able to keno the right places. you can high five, hug and keno her shoulders all day but you need to know the hot spots. the places that just drive girls crazy and def. get them in a sexual mood. i could tell you but there so many techniques out there. that rather than tell you ill give you the chance to research. now gambler has some amazing stuff on like under the radar sexually tension and how to change the way you talk and keno to make her very sexually turned on.

    ok so now lets put into action the things we talk with an example. so lets say you have changed the way you want. you lost weight, no zits and ur game is pretty solid. when she comes back she is going to be shocked. you need to not only shock her with your appearance but the things you do now. and with that practice of game you can get a group of people to come out. ur goal with this is to invite her out to like the club and do the new you. by being your new person its like she is sitting back and getting a glimpse of the new you. so for this you need to save some money. you want to be the life of the party, taking shots and doing all types of fun shit. and not even just shots. take the fun shots. if you go to the right bar, the bartender can hook you up with a train of flaming dr peppers and bam ur set. cause basically they set up all the shots on the top of the glasses, the blow fire to set the shots on fire then drop it in and chug. but lets get back to the example. so you guys get a group together, meet up somewhere before hand to pregame a little and maybe even get some food since ur about to drink. this can allow you to work ur new body language techniques and show her how much you changed with conversation. be fun, sort of loud and make some jokes and shit like that. you can keno her to shock her system and completely change ur frame. after an amazing night she will come into ur new frame without a doubt.
    so you leave the place, bring her along in front of the group. be leading them and talking about things to do at the club. having fun and u might be a little tipsy from the pregaming. get in there and just go crazy and have fun. maybe hit the bar for those shots, find a place to regroup. so maybe find a table, take her to the dance floor but dont be all over her. if you want a new frame you need to show her you have changed. if your doing all this but have her with you the entire time, you will still look like a needy clingy AFC. so go have fun but make sure to keep an eye out. more than likely she wont know too many people coming with you, introduce her to them and see if she is proactive. if not and you see her starting to not have fun, bring it back in. ask the dj for a silly song that everyone knows the dance too and go do it. like copperhead road, cupid shuffle or even take it old school with the electric slide :P. but overall be the alpha male of that night, have fun but also make other people have fun also. then plan something afterwards. try to get an afterparty going. play some pong, some neverhaveiever. or anything. this is where your truly going to shock her system. she will probably be a little drunk and thus more recpetive to her body letting herself get sexually aroused from the new you. but dont try anything. you dont want the first night to just be a kiss and fark and boom. she might sit down and try to block it out. rather make it a 3-4 hangout/meetup project. show her how much you have changed and then she wont know what to do. but make sure to always work your keno in those hot spots. and also show her not only the club you, but do something chill like meet up with some people and bowl or pool or just chill with a BBQ and play some cards. you need to be high energy but also have the ability to have fun in a less high energy situation.

    MOST IMPORTANTLY. DONT PUT TOO MUCH VALUE INTO THIS GIRL(DONT PUT HER ON A PEDESTAL).
    you dont want to make her seem perfect cause its a turn off for her.if you do these things and everything goes wrong, you need to know this was for the better. even if you dont get her, imagine the women you will get after being able to have fun and shit like this. this is the change from AFC to PUA. trust me this is a lifestyle. yes we pick up women but not for just sex. most experienced PUA's love women and just have fun. they arent on the goal to go out, have some fun but mostly works sets throughout the night to go home and fark. ask any good PUA. do they go out and have fun and women are just the bistandard of having fun or is it all about pikcing up women and farking them! this stuff is about changing your life and having fun. trust me your going to be in for the ride of your life. and the women you get will be more than happy to ride you like all hell.

    i hope this helped. and me, tcomea, pjarv, yesman and all the other PUA's on this site are going to be here to help you out bro. this is kind of like a fraternity. we are bro's, thats all there is to it!
    Last edited by crobinson1; 10-28-2010 at 03:18 PM.
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