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Thread: Neg help.

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    Default Neg help.

    Hey guys! Im having touble grasping how to neg properly. I find myself in situations that need a neg and I black out cuz im thinking of what to neg...it looks bad lol. Can anybody clarify proper negging and possible provide some canned mat. I have closed but if I learn how to neg properly I can probably close a lot better.

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    Default Re: Neg help.

    neg theory takes time to understand. The basic idea is you lower your targets value to raise yours and Disarm the obstical. Fact is you dont need negs to do this. YOu just need to be high value.

    Alot of the guys here have moved away from negs cause in reality they tear women down. I dont know about you, bu i didnt get into PU to do that. There are times where it can be helpful, but try to use it more of a disqualifier then a true neg. Ill give you a longer post later, but for now answer me this what are you currently doing, and when are you negging?

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    Im not trying to tear women down lol. Im read MM and some other stuff. Im trying to get bait-hook-real-release. I understand that neg theory is a way of dhv. Im up to other ways lol. negging doesnt seem right. I find that if u neg wrong or not suttle enough you nuke the whole set. Im also not sure about false disqualifiers. I need to hear a different explination to make it sink in lol.. the funny thing is I open get numbers but im not 100% sure how i did it.. cuz i dont fully understand what I read ( I understand most of it tho)... I feel that If i got more explination and direction I would close a lot more. Please help.

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    Default Re: Neg help.

    Ok let me try this again. Reason being is that I don’t think you understand the theory, I think you have an idea but don’t really grasp it yet. Don’t worry it took me a while too.

    Lets do this. A DHV is defined by Crob as : “usually a story or action used to increase the value of a pua within a setting which results in increased attraction and interest from the opposite sex. “

    A Neg is defined as :” A unique technique developed by Mystery that involves conveying active disinterest in a HB9+ target for the purpose of removing her Bitch Shield and lowering her value relative to the PUA’s perceived value.”

    In other words a neg is not a DHV is a DLV of the target. Its by definition a tool to lower her value. When you ask a woman if her hair is real, or if her nails are real its going to make her self conscious about that item. In return she feels that she has to earn that respect back from you so she is forced to chase you. This is where I take issues to the common use of negs. It’s a back handed insult. And that by result tears women down. I know you are not thinking that when you are doing it but that is what is happening. Now lets be real if she earns a neg, throw it out there and hold your ground. About the only time I use negs anymore is when a woman tries a hard frame grab on me. I will throw the old faithful “is she all ways like this” and it usually works. I don’t really like doing it but I haven’t really found another way around it yet… no worries though I will in due time.

    No kidding if you neg to hard your going to blow out of the set, your straight up insulting the target! I really think that when negs were first developed they were ok, but the reality is that AFC’s read about negs then think “oh cool if I insult her a little bit she will chase me!!” reality is that it has to be used as one of many tools. I wont knock on you if you want to use negs, just learn to do them correctly. Learn that you don’t have to throw negs all night long to find success. One or two will almost always do the trick. It’s a tool, nothing else, don’t let it become you.

    Ok as for false disqualifier: The basic idea is to show her your lack of interest in order to get her to chase after you. This can be done hundreds of ways. I know Crob uses it something like “you would be such a great friend we should go shopping, or something like that (sorry crob I know I just butchered your line correct me please). I use it like this. “you would be so toxic for me, I cant be around you!” then body rock and watch their reaction. Or when she says “oh im a teacher” I might say something like “no way, I love teachers, they make the best ex wives” anything its just a slight disqualification. BTW this is more what Mystery is talking about in MM when he talks about Bait Hook Release. This can also be done with Temperature check questions like Christian Hudson teaches with the Social Man, and it can be done with Bills Method of learn, confirm, affirm. Check out some of those ideas and see if they help you out any.

    Hope this is a better explination
    Last edited by tcomea2; 11-10-2010 at 04:48 PM. Reason: wall of text...

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    Default Re: Neg help.

    Wow thank you so much!!! I understand a lot better!!! Ill def look into the theories you mentioned.


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