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    Default Does being good looking change the game?

    Hey guys. This has been driving me crazy for awhile, I hope you can help me. I posted this on another forum and got a bit of advice, but I'd like more info if possible. I've been in the game for a bit now, and I've run into a major sticking point.

    I was never considered a good looking guy before I got into the game. I didn't really know how to accentuate the positive in my features, but I did win the genetic lottery a bit with my face shape. After finally getting a flattering haircut and learning how to dress fashionably, I all of a sudden have girls coming out of nowhere at bars, clubs and parties telling me I'm "gorgeous" or "really cute" or "handsome" or even in one case "beautiful." (I know right? I don't understand chicks either). Most would consider this a good thing, but it's presented me with an interesting problem. I have a few other friends who didn't get as lucky in the looks deparment, but they have also been in the game for longer than I have, and we're all pretty much running the same game. Standard Cocky/Funny, along with bantering, storytelling and all that good stuff. Now, we all know that looks really have nothing to do with the game, right? The problem I've been running into is that all the standard game that works for my friends doesn't work for me because of this. I wondered for awhile if I was just doing it wrong, until I talked to my friend James' girlfriend and got some feedback.

    She talked about when we first met. During that time we were all running game on her to pump her buying temperature and then letting James swing in to isolate for Comfort Building. She said during that time, (when I was running push/pull and cocky/funny), I came off as a tool. In her own words she thought that I was "This ultra good-looking guy who was all cocky and a player and probably trying to get in my pants." She went on to pretty much describe how James and my other friend Jason's game works so well (in non game terms, of course). For example how Jason is good at making himself the prize, or how James is really good at being charming and bantering. She also reiterated to me that I was probably the best looking guy in our group, but she mentioned that certain things I do are "cheesy." When I asked her for examples, she listed off pretty much every neg, disqualifier, and line I have ever run since she's known me.

    Another thing that comes to mind is that every time I start running a false disqualifier, my target will get either an offended or rejected look on her face and usually bail on me in set. My cocky funny usually doesn't go over very well either. Usually girls will roll their eyes or call me a jerk.

    I've gotten good responses using cold reading routines and almost all of my openers go well, but as soon as I get to the teasing/disqualification phase, I get blown out. If I skip it entirely, the set goes nowhere and peters out.

    Despite all this, I have been kiss closing and number closing a lot, but mostly on girls that open me or that I just caveman on the dance floor. Usually pretty hot girls, but I'm afraid to go further with them because I don't really know how to game them. Like I said, my push/pull never goes well, because I when I push them away, the set dies, and if I don't play any push/pull at all, the set dies. What works for all the other PUA's in my group is not working for me.

    My question to you guys is this: I have been told many times by many different people that I'm pretty physically attractive. How should I change my game because of this. How does being a good looking guy affect how you play the game. Specifically, how can I use it to my advantage, and what things should I eliminate from/add to the standard game because of it? At the other forum, I was told to tone down the cocky/funny and negs, but that's pretty much the bulk of Attraction and I'm worried if I eliminate that I'll get friendzoned for not being enough of a challenge. Any help at all is appreciated. Thank you.

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    Default Re: Does being good looking change the game?

    Sorry - this is a real quick post as i'm literally about to head out.

    I had similar trouble with the whole "ultra good-looking guy who was all cocky and a player and probably trying to get in my pants" impression, It kinda clicked with me how to change my game when I read Styles 'The Rules of the Game' - i think there was a chapter about empathy in there, making people feel good around you, i think its maybe worth a read.

    Also I think I read in another book '59:seconds' or something to that title, It has a section on speed dating - Hey i know we're not all speed dating here but basicaly, it had this whole bit on increasing attraction in a short amount of time - what makes someone attractive etc.

    Sorry its such a quick post, I'll try and see if i can post a snippet on here a bit later and throw in a bit more detail!

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    Default Re: Does being good looking change the game?

    tone down the cocky/funny/neg definitly. and since your "ultra attractive" thats the challange for the girl. when you look good and try gaming hard you fail because they automatically go into hes a player mode.

    if you make it more fun and less cocky and act like your tryin to get to know them more they wont flake as quick. then as your talkin you can throw a couple lil subtle teases in to make it still fun and keep the laughter. use Kino to build attraction and then no friend zone.

    if this doesnt help im sorry!

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    Default Re: Does being good looking change the game?

    No your frames all wrong if you are coming accross as needy, look at your stance, how you talk (i bet you lean in) and even how you look at girls! Also congruency is gonna be low if you dont believe in the lines youre saying (i make my own up). Try and add more value to your soundbites and try and get it out of your headspace that ur out to pull girls ur there to have fun with ur friends! f your that hot the girls will come onto you if you dont say one shitty line but are just the AMOG and the life of the party!

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    Default Re: Does being good looking change the game?

    r u saying my frames wrong or his? sorry just wasnt sure. but i agree completely on the just going out to have fun!

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    Default Re: Does being good looking change the game?

    I have this problem as well and I definitley think being good looking changes the game. I have been told countless times that I look like an asshole, cocky, player, unapproachable, etc... I am none of these btw and that causes me a big problem. Girls don't want to talk to me because they find me intimidating and then they don't think I'd be worth the time because they think that I'm some judgemental, player, asshole so they won't even bother. It doesn't help that I'm physically intimitdating as well being 6'4" 245lbs. So I'm having the same problems and also need to find a way to make myself more approachable. I try laughing and smiling more when I'm out, but knowing girls they'll probably think I'm laughing at people arund me and being judgemental.

    One observation I've made is the nights that I spark random conversations with people and talk with both male and female I tend to better. I think it creates a more approachable image of me because then their first judgements of me will be that I'm sociable and nice rather than a douche/tool bag asshole.

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    Default Re: Does being good looking change the game?

    I hate tootin my own horn in any way, I'm humble, but, I know I have been blessed genetically as well, and I am never really cocky with my game at all. I have found just being confident and funny works, and being plain charming. Looks definitely change the game. Even with women. With an HB7 you usually want to be more liberal in complimenting her beauty than an HB10, for example.

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    Default Re: Does being good looking change the game?

    Im told all the time im "hot", not to sound cocky, but i do pretty good and i do it all by being playful and social. if your attractive and fun to be around the girls love it. when you try to play the cocky guy, you end up just sounding like your full of yourself. No one likes the guy thats full of himself. when you dont have looks, cocky helps. but hinders if the opposite is true. just be playful when you meet them after your opener, dont act like a player dont act like your gaming her. its not gonna work because its expected from you. if you act like a genuine guy she could chill with because you kept everything lite and playful, some subtle teases, and some neggin but not hard core. if she says something silly call her on it but do it gently. you dont really need to dhv her because your at her level or higher up depending on how attractive she is. what you wanna do is show her you are someone attainable not the person she expected you to be. and as the convo goes escalate using Kino and body language. then bam Number Close

    i agree with raven, the game changes with looks

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    Default Re: Does being good looking change the game?

    I completely agree with what Raven and jbardu87 have said here.

    Taking a step back - whats genetically hardwired into HBs is to find a mate who is either Good looking OR successful i.e. good provider, Leader of men, etc. The same basic principles of pick up apply to both situations but as previously mentioned it DOES boil down to how you apply it in the field!

    In my experience I think the main points we need to consider are being Approachable and Accessible.

    Firstly, HBs tend to be intimidated by the good looking AND successful male. You'd think being successful and good looking, that guy would be a catch for any HB.
    In reality from their perspective, a HB is thinking:
    a) This guy sounds too good to be true and
    b) This guy could get anyone he wanted, if i get with him he'd probably end up cheating on me.

    My first bit of advice would be to play down any successes with regards to work for a start, and build up hints as to what you do.


    - Approachability, Now this is a key factor!

    Me and my friend, a fellow PUA, have a similar build and has a similar sense of humour, and started to notice that we could deliver the same line to a HB, yet I'd get a lot of positive ioi's and he would get comments like 'you are the weirdest man alive' or 'you shouldn't be allowed in public' - I asked a few female friends what they thought it was and it WAS all down to approachability!

    in nines&dimes post, he comments about sparking random conversations with people and talking with people regardless of gender - I do the same thing!
    This is a BRILLIANT technique because it Immediately proves you are approachable, you are fun, and easy to be and get on with!


    - Being Cheeky.

    Rather than being cocky-funny, I find that making the odd cheeky quip works ingeniously well, provided its said with a massive grin across your face OR completely straight faced with a grin slowly creeping across it (the latter grin being a great non-verbal flirt )


    - How to move

    I LOVE non-verbal language! I watch out for it almost ALL the time without thinking about it! One of my favourite pick ups recently was almost purely about non-verbal communication! I think I must have said 3 sentences to this HB9 the other week before closing. its definitely something to consider, learning up on

    This video of Mystery is GENIUS, great advice for non-verbaly controlling a situation and testing the water:


    - Empathy

    I mentioned in my pervious post on this thread about Styles advice on Empathy:

    Rules of the Game - Day 16:

    "the guy who fails at the game is the one who goes out looking for women to make him feel better about himself.

    the guy who succeeds at the game is the one who goes out and makes other people feel good about themselves"

    There is so much more to it that just that obviously! I strongly recommend you give that day/chapter a read! It is the distinction between being successful and not. It helped me sort my game out!


    - Charm.

    This is one of the best tools in my arsenal. I have been told I could charm the pants off a nun on god knows how many occasions. (I am still yet to put that to the test )

    This works hand in hand with the Cheeky comments, its helps to create the whole push pull thing.

    Occasionally I do get women trying to 'Out' my game, giving me comments such as:

    'ooo your such a charmer',
    'your such a sweet talker',
    'I bet you're a right player'

    I found this a sticking point so a few weeks back i posted on here for help and got some great and valuable comeback advice from Ridikulus and crobinson1.

    http://www.puaforums.com/how-talk-gi...-response.html


    Like i say, its all about making the best out of what you learn and know


    "Learn the form,
    But seek the formless.
    Hear the soundless.
    Learn it all then forget it all.
    Learn the way,
    Then find your own way."

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    Default Re: Does being good looking change the game?

    Aye Yeti, charm works well if you are good looking. Sometimes I just look at women in a sexy way and that's my opener. I like to just look at a girl and smirk and cock my head a bit, then they blush and get all giggly and put their hand over the mouth. Then I'll go talk to them, and I can just say totally anything while they're all stumbly with their words, so it's like an instant dhv. That's just using body language to your advantage. A really confident decent looking guy can pull this off too, I believe.

    I found this works better outside of bars and clubs. If you do that to a girl, and while she's blushing, you say something like, "you had such a beautiful smile and I had to come meet the girl behind it" then offer her your hand and tell her your name, you'll knock the socks off of her.


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