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  1. #1
    kzuu Guest

    Default Canned openings are dumb...and detrimental to PU

    ...at least I think so.

    I mean...a line coming from a Richard Simmons is not going to play out the same way coming from a George Clooney, and vice versa.

    I was on YouTube the other day and was watching some guys filming their own pickups, and of course I heard many of the often regurgitated lines and I noticed that what you say is completely irrelevant as long as what you're saying fits your personality.

    Like I heard this guy go up to a group of women and say "Hey I need a female opinion on something...do you think it's okay for guys to go tanning?", and it reeked of "I want to Fuck You"'ness, she knew it and he knew it.

    And then you see other guys who can say something completely random and insane and the results would be 180 degrees different, something like "Today I read the New York Times and it said it was going to rain, I hate rain"

    It might sound stupid, but this ice breaker would work for some. I think one thing these "manuals" should do is preface every routine with a question to the reader, asking them if they believe a routine would fit into their personality.

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    Default Re: Canned openings are dumb...and detrimental to PU

    Quote Originally Posted by kzuu View Post
    ...at least I think so.

    I mean...a line coming from a Richard Simmons is not going to play out the same way coming from a George Clooney, and vice versa.

    I was on YouTube the other day and was watching some guys filming their own pickups, and of course I heard many of the often regurgitated lines and I noticed that what you say is completely irrelevant as long as what you're saying fits your personality.

    Like I heard this guy go up to a group of women and say "Hey I need a female opinion on something...do you think it's okay for guys to go tanning?", and it reeked of "I want to fark You"'ness, she knew it and he knew it.

    And then you see other guys who can say something completely random and insane and the results would be 180 degrees different, something like "Today I read the New York Times and it said it was going to rain, I hate rain"

    It might sound stupid, but this ice breaker would work for some. I think one thing these "manuals" should do is preface every routine with a question to the reader, asking them if they believe a routine would fit into their personality.
    I think the canned lines are mostly for new PUA's, fake it till you make it. I completely agree its not what you say its how you say it, lots of people just struggle with trying to hook the girl when they first approach to get the conversation going and a lot of these lines have been proven to work.

    One of my biggest epiphanies was when approaching girls is to go in with more enthusiasm than she or her group has. If you look like you are having more fun they will want to feed off of it.

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    Default Re: Canned openings are dumb...and detrimental to PU

    canned opener are extremely effective , its always great to have a few at your disposal ,canned material is amazing when your mind goes blank and dont know what to say to a girl you really like,I started out with canned material and I used it so much that I got creative and came up with my own
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    Default Re: Canned openings are dumb...and detrimental to PU

    I would argue that canned openings are GOOD.

    -Men/women new to PUA need guidelines
    -canned openers work in day game;
    "hi, I saw you as i was walking past and thought you were stunning. So I thought I would come say hi"
    -Canned openers are a default setting, if you cant think of something good.

    Just stay away from opinion openers and you will be fine.
    "who lies more" Damn those korny lines piss me off.

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    Gloomer Guest

    Default Re: Canned openings are dumb...and detrimental to PU

    I agree with you. I see any girl asking herself why is this guy talking to me instead of asking his friends. But i mean it can work in some situations and if you're good enought to handle it and have good non-verbal communication.

    I think it always depends on the place you are and the women you're approaching.

    Just be yourself

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    Default Re: Canned openings are dumb...and detrimental to PU

    I agre with Kzuu, I was mulling the opener theme over the weekend and it got me thinking: what is the logic behind a good opener? and wham it hit me (like at 3 am when I was busy partying with some friends), the opener is:

    -A way that you can TEST a woman to see if she passes YOUR standards (that way you make her enter your frame inmediately)

    At least thats the way I thought of it, so it should be personal and taylored made by you, and this is what I came up with for my personal opener:

    I go to a girl, open a can of cinammon altoids and tell her that im doing a market study if I should bring this product to my country (there are no altoids in my country), but when she is about to pick one I shut the box and ask her why does she feel she deserves to be in the study (neg), if she has a positive reaction I would consider moving on with the conversation, that way I am the examiner. (and im seriously studying the proespect of gettin these to my country, love em)

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    Default Re: Canned openings are dumb...and detrimental to PU

    Canned openers or not the result is the same. You are merely starting a conversation. Even if she knows its a pickup who cares. If you have a good routine down you will still be a breath of fresh air compared to other AFCs who come up to her. The one you used could use a little tweaking. Your opener should have, 1) I need your opinion, 2) I only have a second I have to get back to my freinds, 3) We were just discussing whether a guy can go tanning or not? What do you think?

    Also if you look confident and you smile you can ask anything you want. Burger King or McDonalds whats your fav? The opening is just a way to sound different then, Hi my name is jo blow, or can i buy you a drink?
    Last edited by marlinfisher; 08-15-2011 at 11:58 PM.

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    Default Re: Canned openings are dumb...and detrimental to PU

    Canned: Training Wheels

    I dont use them anymore, but I certainly did use them when i started. I always improv or go with the material the environment offers me. I just have to be observant and see the agreeable/funny side in things.

    I DID USE THEM, they DID help. End of story.

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    Default Re: Canned openings are dumb...and detrimental to PU

    I'm new to this stuff, but I have recently taken to only doing instant dates. Basically I just go up to the girl straight up and be like "hey i'm going to get lunch/hot chocolate/a drink etc. now, want to come along?", of course with a big smile and lots of energy like it's the most fun thing ever. Admittedly the strike rate is not as high, but with enough approaches i think it's not a bad method..also for some reason rejection through this method is much easier to take, probably because there is any multitude of reasons she can't join you at that moment. I'm confident enough at the moment to hold conversation with a new person for a decent length of time..also it's pretty easy at the start because there's so much stuff to talk about. If they've come and had a drink with you, getting a number is no problem and you can easily take it from there. I guess the flaw here is that you don't have time to implement any game before she agrees/disagrees, but i don't mind that since i get nervous with openers and never think i have a good enough reason to stop someone and talk to them.


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