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    Default Re: What to say after an opener?

    In my own case,it is not a problem to start a conversation.it is what you gonna say afterwards when she replies. But don't you guys think that a conversation should just be spontaneous instead of pre-planned?At the end of it,it's either she likes me or not. Two guys can say the same things and get different results. This is tuff.

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    Default Re: What to say after an opener?

    Had a same problem. What you need to do is what neil strauss said on annihilation DVD in the end. You need to write down funny stories, good routines, good Kino, good threads to talk about, few opners. DHVs, and make your routine out of it. Remember funny stories that happened to you, make em dhv, try so see what are attraction switches(mystery venusian art's handbook) - And make your hole routine, remember it good and go with it, than after a wile you'll be adding new stuff, errasing old and make your own congruent routine , that is what im doing right now.

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    Default Re: What to say after an opener?

    Quote Originally Posted by coolRyan View Post
    In my own case,it is not a problem to start a conversation.it is what you gonna say afterwards when she replies. But don't you guys think that a conversation should just be spontaneous instead of pre-planned?At the end of it,it's either she likes me or not. Two guys can say the same things and get different results. This is tuff.
    This isn't rocket science my friend.. You need to really read a book so you can have a better understanding of the game because you sound really lost right now. I don't use routines, I would rather go off of NATURAL game which to me is better. It's not what you say but how you say it.. And who has more game. Kino Escalation, attraction phase, gaining rapport, it's a lot to it but becomes natural after a while.

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    Default Re: What to say after an opener?

    yea buddy,right now am reading online material from ron and louise copeland,i ordered a book how to be the alpha male by john alexander,but i very much doubt i will be able to use any of this.exactly what do i do after reading all this?????I am still lost,and so was previous opportunities.i spent about 3 hours at a club for nothing.yes i need help!!!
    am from Trinidad,and girls over here are not unique dressers so there is nothing unique to comment on,to start a conversation.
    so i totally dont get it

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    Default Re: What to say after an opener?

    Trinidadian girls dont dress in any special way that leaves something you can comment on like I said.
    Problem is I dont know how to use all this information am gaining.I am looking for one to one help. PM me if you can help me.

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    Default Re: What to say after an opener?

    And i have no idea what is "natural game". LOL Trinidadian women are not sophisticated ,and dont even speak good english.lol Don't you guys agree that those books that were written are meant for girls of a certain type,probably American type women who are well dressed and so on????
    Trini girls are too simple to be approached using techniques and pick up lines.
    I ordered a book,and am starting to feel like it wont help me at all.Ok am starting to give up now.Enough said

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    Default Re: What to say after an opener?

    Quote Originally Posted by Svemir View Post
    Had a same problem. What you need to do is what neil strauss said on annihilation DVD in the end. You need to write down funny stories, good routines, good Kino, good threads to talk about, few opners. DHVs, and make your routine out of it. Remember funny stories that happened to you, make em dhv, try so see what are attraction switches(mystery venusian art's handbook) - And make your hole routine, remember it good and go with it, than after a wile you'll be adding new stuff, errasing old and make your own congruent routine , that is what im doing right now.
    Thats tough.i cant even think of anything funny. But why????That is my whole concern.Why do you need to do all that?What not let a conversation flow naturally?So ok you memorise all that,and next thing you know,the conversation flow does not give you the opportunity to use it. Or,it happens that the girl may not even find what you saying funny at all,and that will totally bust you.

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    Default Re: What to say after an opener?

    Quote Originally Posted by coolRyan View Post
    Thats tough.i cant even think of anything funny. But why????That is my whole concern.Why do you need to do all that?What not let a conversation flow naturally?So ok you memorise all that,and next thing you know,the conversation flow does not give you the opportunity to use it. Or,it happens that the girl may not even find what you saying funny at all,and that will totally bust you.
    I was with you right until you went off about Trinidian girls..?? lol I had similar thoughts about foreign women. But, I later noticed foreign women who are entirely different. It's the GIRL bra.

    I think what the responders are saying is use routines as backup, not the entire thing, until you're comfortable on your own. Then you do natural or whatever works for you.

    I'm natural at talking. Except talking is how I go on or become the friend. So I bypass a few things/go direct-which ironically takes the pressure off.

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    Default Re: What to say after an opener?

    I was doing some research,and I realized that the pick up artists who make videos like on youtube do not necessarily go on any real date,nor is there proof that they have been able to form a lasting friendship with anyone.It is all just recorded stuff mean to sell their stuff.In fact after this artist picked up a girl,he confessed that it was recorded and ask her for a feed back on his "performance"

    See,the reality is that after a while,you can run out of ideas and pick up lines and then have to resort to being your natural self.What these pick up men do is trick the girl into liking them and giving their numbers.

    They are only perpetuating an illusion. But behind the funny stories and made up stuff,they probably dont have what it takes to sustain a lasting relationship.How are you going to use scripts and lines all your days with the girl you pick up? You cannot.

    In fact,girls nowadays can tell if your behaviour is pre-planned. At the end of it all,you have to be your real self with the girl you are dating.

    Better to kill all the pretense and just be natural. The girl is gonna see you for you who are anyway!! So keep it real,thats my opinion.

    Now,the ideas given for talking to women and so on are genuine,but I will like to say we should be honest too at the same time.

    How long can you use scripts and made up stuff? When she does see the truth ,your gonna be so busted.

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    Default Re: What to say after an opener?

    You gonna run out of ideas,friends,one day.So ok,you trick the girl,she gives you her number,and its time for the date.Are you gonna continue using rehearsed stuff? It may not work.You will have to be yourself once again.
    Either way am uncomfortable making up stories that dont resonate with me or my life.So maybe it is better I just be a natural.
    I have been married for eight years,and I know for a fact that rehearsed stuff do not work in married life.

    The truth comes out and you have to deal with it. Getting a girl in bed is not all there is,guys.

    My aim is to find the girl suited to ME,and not the image I project.And you never "get" a girlfriend. It takes time to build a lasting friendship.

    My advice is use the advice given cuz it has not changed,even in "Modern Man" dating site,but keep it natural.

    DO not fake anything


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